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[flanny]

Skirata129 wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Deal with it, or get over it. That's your options.

Hah, that's supposed to be 2 different things? 

Yup. 
Deal with it: You accept it for what it is, and enjoy it as much you can.
Get over it: You forget about it, and move on. 

That should be Bioware's new marketing slogan.

Yeah, maybe it would make some people stop their whining. If not, it surely would gain Bioware a lot of respect from the rest of the gaming community, who are sick and tired of listening to these self-proclaimed Mass Effect fans, and their constant complaining about the ending. It would be glorious. <3

oh yes, because a consumer based company saying "get the **** over it" ALWAYS goes over well with the customers. You know... the ones who pay the company's salaries?

in fairness i bioware/EA's customer satisfaction can't get any lower so they may as well go for it. It was the message i took from the refuse ending anyway

[Ji99saw]

I would never jump on board with something that's impossible, just because you think you own the franchise and think you should be able to completely brake the lore.

[Iakus]

Skirata129 wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

They would have to change the whole game in order to make conventional victory a viable option. And no, the crucible blowing up all the reapers does not count as conventional victory.

what if all it did was strip their kinetic barriers?

That would make EMS actually worth something.

And provide for a variety of possible endings with lots of potential sacrifices.  And multiple possibilities where Shep dies and Shep lives.

Instead, of, you know the "Art" we got.

[CroGamer002]

No.

Our united fleet is outnumbered at Earth and there are still Reapers on the most homeworlds and largest colonies.

[flanny]

Ji99saw wrote...

I would never jump on board with something that's impossible, just because you think you own the franchise and think you should be able to completely brake the lore.

how? lore wise

[Atakuma]

Skirata129 wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

They would have to change the whole game in order to make conventional victory a viable option. And no, the crucible blowing up all the reapers does not count as conventional victory.

what if all it did was strip their kinetic barriers?

The reappers have already decimated most of the galaxy at that point and are still incredibly powerful without their shields. To me that would be really lame and contrived, however I guess it is better than what's there now.

[Haiyato]

It took literally an entire fleet to bring down one Reaper. ME1 and the fight on Rannoch. I am sorry as much as I don't like the endings, the conventional victory is just not possible.

[Galenwolf]

Ji99saw wrote...

I would never jump on board with something that's impossible, just because you think you own the franchise and think you should be able to completely brake the lore.

Its a video game set in a fictional universe, nothing is impossible.

Its impossible for people to come back from the dead but that hasn't stopped marvel bringing every dead character back from the dead apart from Gwen Stacy.

If one reaper can go rogue so can others, just let the players sent out a signal through the mss relays using the rogue reaper that ends up causing a reaper civil war, you ensure the rogue reapers win.

There, victory.

I vote yes, it all depends on what magical bull**** casey pulls out of his ass this time to allow for one - I say reaper civil war.

Modifié par Galenwolf, 17 juillet 2012 - 04:31 .

[AlanC9]

Skirata129 wrote...
what if all it did was strip their kinetic barriers?

It would also need to take out their FTL drives too. Otherwise the Reapers could just disengage.

And what about all the Reapers that aren't in Sol system? Unless their drives and shield are blown too, and stay blown long enough for them to be hunted down like vermin.

As Atakuma says, this isn't a conventional victory. But that isn't really the point, is it?

Modifié par AlanC9, 17 juillet 2012 - 04:30 .

[SeanBahamut]

Having a conventional victory possible completely negates the threat of the Reapers throughout the game. They have numbers, practice, superior technology, and subterfuge (indoctrination & conversion of troops to husks)

I vote no.

[Tirranek]

Conventional victory would make a clearly defined 'best ending', whereas at the moment there is a lot of surprisingly interesting discussion on which option is the best.

This won't happen, nor should it, in my opinion.

[Baa Baa]

This would be really great. But it won't happen, nor does BioWare really have a good reason to do this.
Signed

Modifié par Baa Baa, 17 juillet 2012 - 04:36 .

[Feanor_II]

Yeah, and why not an ending where Zeus comes from the skies and crushes the Reapers with his allmighty thunders?

Now, seriously everybody seems to be demanding now an ending that suits milimetrically their wishes..... "I like the reject idea but I don't want to have a defeat", "I like destroy but I don't want to kill the synthetics that are my friends", and so......
Look, what I like about the ending is that you have control over your actions, but consequences are sometimes unexpected.... that's how RPG's should be, take decisions and stick to consequences, not "I choose A and B happens because I want that way". Where is otherwise the excitement?

Also I want to defend the concept of "artistic integrity", I think an author must be honest with his/her/their ideas.... I'm not interested in "fanservice", but it seems that that's exactly what people want. Look my philosophy isn't "Do whatever you must to adapt me so I like you", it's "I'll be honest with you and I expect the same from you, if we don't get along no problem, if we do we'll have a good relation".

I'm really gratefull to BW about the EC (I think the originals were to simple and even dull), but I think they opened the Pandora box.....

[Asch Lavigne]

If a conventional victory were possible what would be the point of the Crucible? Sorry Shep but the thing you needed to get/complete the whole game is meaningless in the end, you can just kill the Reapers the old fashioned way! Guess you wasted everyone in the galaxy's time and resources that were better spent elsewhere.

[Zjarcal]

OMFG... it will never end with you people will it?

GET OVER IT! You didn't like the ending to a game, big deal, now just move on! Ugh.

(Or just write a damn fanfic where you can specifically get every single little thing you want, since clearly you won't be pleased with anything else)

Modifié par Zjarcal, 17 juillet 2012 - 04:40 .

[Baa Baa]

A fan vid would be better for this. Just put the refuse ending in, and then add some fleets fighting and the reapers losing. BioWare will never do this, but it deserves a fan edit for sure.

[Jayleia]

Haiyato wrote...

It took literally an entire fleet to bring down one Reaper. ME1 and the fight on Rannoch. I am sorry as much as I don't like the endings, the conventional victory is just not possible.

An entire fleet, or a few ships that happened to be able to bring secondary weapons into LoS to hit the Reaper's eye?

And...also, Codex disagrees with the entire fleet statement too.  Now, I'll agree that conventional victory (ie shooting them into swiss cheese), given the numbers and technologies presented, should be impossible without some very UNCONVENTIONAL resources/tactics (ie, an alien superweapon that makes them easier to fight, but still leaves the ending up to how big and well-equipped your fleet is).

That, actually was sorta what I'd expected when I pre-ordered ME3, not the Reaper off-switch that they promised us DID NOT exist.

[Baronesa]

Nyoka wrote...

WHY SHOULD I BE FORCED TO CONNECT TO EA'S SERVERS, JUST TO PLAY A SINGLEPLAYER GAME?!

Deal with it and get over it.

Stop whining.

Suck it up princess.

etc.

ROFL


Epic

[The_Shootist]

Mass Effect 3.1 (EA announces a do-over). 

[Tirranek]

Asch Lavigne wrote...

If a conventional victory were possible what would be the point of the Crucible? Sorry Shep but the thing you needed to get/complete the whole game is meaningless in the end, you can just kill the Reapers the old fashioned way! Guess you wasted everyone in the galaxy's time and resources that were better spent elsewhere.

It could have made an interesting moment where Shepard has to warn the fleet that the Crucible was a trap and they have to fight the Reapers conventially or die trying. Would have been an interesting statement about not relying on past cycles but coming up with your own solution, and potentially balanced out by having all the Reaper infrastructure (Citadel, Relays etc) blow up. Problem is:

- This would have to be a pre-set outcome, since the amount of time that would have to be put into this option would be huge.

- It assumes the Catalyst is actively trying to trap you, which I don't really see as being the case. It's a busted machine and you basically have it beaten. The fact it's not bricking itself in fear doesn't mean you haven't won. Also, i think it's more flat out busted than malevolent.

- Makes a lot of the game's focus redundant, like you said.

- It thematically railroads the player. If you pick, you're a slave, if you don't, you're a hero. The themes and implications of the different endings would be lost.

- If Shepard was able to do all this, destroy the Reaper infrastructure (therefore making things MUCH harder in the short-term), defeat them conventionally, have a noble sacrifice, Normandy goes out ramming Harbinger etc etc, I'm pretty sure there would still be petitions asking for a version where Shepard lives, the relays aren't destroyed and Harbinger becomes the new E.S.A flagship.

[SpamBot2000]

Zjarcal wrote...

OMFG... it will never end with you people will it?

GET OVER IT! You didn't like the ending to a game, big deal, now just move on! Ugh.

(Or just write a damn fanfic where you can specifically get every single little thing you want, since clearly you won't be pleased with anything else)

I suppose if a big oil spill happens and ruins some fishing village and the fishermen (and -women of course) protest the oil company, you go out of your way to drive there and yell at them to move on and deal with it too, because you're happy with their gas at the pump.

[Galenwolf]

Asch Lavigne wrote...

If a conventional victory were possible what would be the point of the Crucible? Sorry Shep but the thing you needed to get/complete the whole game is meaningless in the end, you can just kill the Reapers the old fashioned way! Guess you wasted everyone in the galaxy's time and resources that were better spent elsewhere.

Make it part of the reason why we can win the war.

Get the possible rogue reaper to alter it prior to its activiation which instead does to every other reaper what happned to the rogue one causing a massive reaper civil war.

In the end it would be the ending of Babylon 5 where the young races recruited help from older races to stop the shadows and vorlons from completely blowing up the galaxy.

[Galenwolf]

Zjarcal wrote...

OMFG... it will never end with you people will it?

GET OVER IT! You didn't like the ending to a game, big deal, now just move on! Ugh.

(Or just write a damn fanfic where you can specifically get every single little thing you want, since clearly you won't be pleased with anything else)

OMFG... it will never end with you people will it?

GET OVER IT! You don't like SOPA or ACTA, big deal, now just move on!! Ugh.


OMFG... it will never end with you people will it?

GET OVER IT! You don't like BPs Oil Spill, big deal, now just move on!! Ugh.



OMFG... it will never end with you people will it?

GET OVER IT! You don't like the TSA, big deal, now just move on!! Ugh.

[mauro2222]

Anything that destroys Mac Walters' ridiculous plot solution is better. Yeah, killing the reapers with a giant donut is better than the Catalyst.