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[SnakeSNMF]

Signed.

[Teneroth]

 I'll definatly sign this petition, and, in my trademark way, I'm gonna rant a little.

First off, I wanna fix a couple misconceptions people seem to have about what a 'conventional' victory would entail. From what I can gather they think it means 'line up our ships and walk slowly towards the reapers.' But that just isn't the case. Just cause you are fighting a 'conventional war' doesn't mean you have to use 'conventional tactics.' The reapers have weaknesses, they aren't perfect, and they aren't indestructable. The trick is to exploit the weaknesses and avoid head on engagements. I don't really want to go into specific tactics, but I will list a few weaknesses of the reapers:
-Basically 0 infastructure, every reaper lost is one they can't rebuild, they have no dry docks for repairs, construction yards to turn out new reapers.
-Reaper barriers are weakened while on a planet, at high speeds and when pulling high levels of acceleration
-Relativly long range and low rate of fire on main weapons.
-During this cycle, unlike any other, Reapers unable or unwilling to use relays, where as we can.
-0 technological advance, with no ability to refit their ships if they ever fell behind in an arms race they could never catch up.

Sure they have advantages, faster in ftl, stronger barriers in standup fights, main weapons pracially ignore barriers and there are a LOT of them. But I see no reason a conventional war isn't possible. Hell, make like the quarians, keep moving, find a way to penetrate their barriers and resist their weapons... With the relays active and the reapers apparently unabe to shut them down...

Will it ever be enough? some of you may ask. How much can we really save and how long can we last with the reapers all over the galaxy? Well, maybe not long, but that brings me to my second point.

The next cycle, assuming we trash enough reapers and leave enough clues for the next cycle why couldn't we see them beating the reapers? (shamless self advertising) In my ending, link in siggy, i have that. (/shamless self advertising) At the very least an announcement that the next cycle won by conventional means, proving that damn twitter about the next cycle using the crucible wrong and at least giving us the feeling that we me a right choice. Hell, even some slides showing us fighting to the last after refusing the starbrat's bulls**t would be better then 'cut to everyone is dead, no xbox achievement for completing the game, proceed to loose, try again, and ACCEPT OUR BS THIS TIME!' which is somewhere between fumbled so hard the ball rocketed off into the stands and actively thumbing their nose at us who refuse to comprimise our morals. 

I'd like to end with a quote from the first game. Remember shortly after you became a Spectre, one guy flags you down after leaving the alliance embassy and askes you to go talk to the military and get his wife's body returned to him? Turns out they are doing testing on her remains to try and understand the geth weapons that killed her. When pressed the following conversation happens:

Military guy: I'm just trying to help save lives
Shepard: So am I, but I'm not fighting so we can violate our principles. If we sacrifice our humanity what is the point of fighting?

I may not be remembering it exactly right, but that's the gist of it.

[Kastrenzo]

they aren't going to change it. they're just going to ignore all the complaints about the ending now.

[The_Crazy_Hand]

Kastrenzo wrote...

they aren't going to change it. they're just going to ignore all the complaints about the ending now.

I agree, not that I want it to be true, but the simple fact is that it is indeed true.

[Skirata129]

They might. you never know. Apparently Mac Walters is no longer lead writer and something is up with Casey.

[AresKeith]

well they could keep adding on to the ending, so everyone will be happy

[AlanC9]

Teneroth wrote...

Hell, even some slides showing us fighting to the last after refusing the starbrat's bulls**t would be better then 'cut to everyone is dead, no xbox achievement for completing the game, proceed to loose, try again, and ACCEPT OUR BS THIS TIME!' which is somewhere between fumbled so hard the ball rocketed off into the stands and actively thumbing their nose at us who refuse to comprimise our morals.

You've got a point about the achievement. An ending is an ending.

As for compromising morals, any system of morals that would lead you to plunge the galaxy into utter destruction is obviously defective.

[AlanC9]

AresKeith wrote...

well they could keep adding on to the ending, so everyone will be happy

How would that work?

[Conniving_Eagle]

We will not add new endings with the EC
*EC adds new ending*

*We will stand by our artistic integrity*
*Retcons several parts of the original ending and demotes the writers that came up with it*

This is why Bioware's credibility is in question. With enough people asking the endings to be changed, they'll change it. If they're smart...

[AlanC9]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

We will not add new endings with the EC
*EC adds new ending*

Except they didn't. You could doom the galaxy with Refuse pre-EC too. Shep just didn't make a big speech about dooming the galaxy first.

[BlackoutOmega]

I've never seen a more whiny fanbase than Bioware fans. All you guys do is ****** and moan, they've given you hours upon hours of entertainment and you feel like they owe you? If anything you owe them. I already lost respect for Bioware when they made the EC. "Retake Mass Effect"? You never owned it. I hate the endings as much as the next guy but c'mon man, this is embarrasing...

[shepdog77]

You people are fools. You should be eaten.

[Conniving_Eagle]

AlanC9 wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

We will not add new endings with the EC
*EC adds new ending*

Fixed.

[KotorEffect3]

Don't give the refusers what they want. They deserve to lose

[AlanC9]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

We will not add new endings with the EC
*EC adds new ending*

Fixed.

Dude, you really didn't know that Shep could let the Crucible be destroyed pre-EC?

Or is this one of those LALALAICANTHEARYOU things?

Modifié par AlanC9, 28 juillet 2012 - 05:25 .

[ld1449]

AlanC9 wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

We will not add new endings with the EC
*EC adds new ending*

Fixed.

Dude, you really didn't know that Shep could let the Crucible be destroyed pre-EC?

Or is this one of those LALALAICANTHEARYOU things?

Are you referring to the "critical mission failure bit if you stand around to long? Because if you are then that barely even counts. Infact that wasn't an ending was was a reload at the previous checkpoint.

[AresKeith]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Don't give the refusers what they want. They deserve to lose

cool story bro

[thepiebaker]

signed... only if multiplayer is mandatory for this ending

[AlanC9]

ld1449 wrote...

Are you referring to the "critical mission failure bit if you stand around to long? Because if you are then that barely even counts. Infact that wasn't an ending was was a reload at the previous checkpoint.

Well, EC Refuse isn't an ending either in some ways. No achievement, and I'm not sure you get a LegendSave

[comrade gando]

signed.

be careful what you wish for though, knowing bioware (or the malicious visage that used to be bioware), they'll probably add a new ending that self destructs the crucible, causing it to go supernova and take out shepard and all his friends. but hey it kills the reapers conventionally, that's what you wanted right?! RIGHT?! MUAHAHAHAHAH.







I hope they don't read that...

[ld1449]

AlanC9 wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

Are you referring to the "critical mission failure bit if you stand around to long? Because if you are then that barely even counts. Infact that wasn't an ending was was a reload at the previous checkpoint.

Well, EC Refuse isn't an ending either in some ways. No achievement, and I'm not sure you get a LegendSave

It has dialogue, and people REALISE what's happening. I had a friend that called me up on the phone  when he first got to the ending, didn't bother pausing as he asked and I quote "What the **** is this ****?"

By the time he was done ranting crit. mission, failure. So again, hardly an ending

refusal was a big middle finger so of course they wouldn't really go as far as to add a trophy/achievement for it.

Its telling though that their artistic choices are so horrid people will willingly say "NO" even though it means the death of Shepard and everyone else they've actively come to care for throughout 3 games.

When refuse, arguably the "worst" choice is the second most popular one(according to the polls) and the "BEST" choice is the least popular that should definitely tell somebody something over at Bioware.

[AlanC9]

ld1449 wrote...
It has dialogue, and people REALISE what's happening. I had a friend that called me up on the phone  when he first got to the ending, didn't bother pausing as he asked and I quote "What the **** is this ****?"

By the time he was done ranting crit. mission, failure. So again, hardly an ending

Was it wrong of me to lol at that?

refusal was a big middle finger so of course they wouldn't really go as far as to add a trophy/achievement for it.

Really? I thought it was a valid RP option. Bio should let players make bad choices more often than they do.

And Refuse isn't "arguably" worst. It's just worst. in order to not kill the geth you.... let the Reapers kill the geth.

Modifié par AlanC9, 28 juillet 2012 - 06:36 .

[Teneroth]

AlanC9 wrote...

ld1449 wrote...
It has dialogue, and people REALISE what's happening. I had a friend that called me up on the phone  when he first got to the ending, didn't bother pausing as he asked and I quote "What the **** is this ****?"

By the time he was done ranting crit. mission, failure. So again, hardly an ending

Was it wrong of me to lol at that?

refusal was a big middle finger so of course they wouldn't really go as far as to add a trophy/achievement for it.

Really? I thought it was a valid RP option. Bio should let players make bad choices more often than they do.

And Refuse isn't "arguably" worst. It's just worst. in order to not kill the geth you.... let the Reapers kill the geth.

I've been trying to resist posting here again, but....

First off, ya it's kinda funny that as he rants the crit failure comes up, I'll give you that. But it's doesn't fix that the ending is bad. 

Second, refuse is 'the worst' because Bioware sees it that way, not because believing in your morals to the point that you would rather die than commit genocide is wrong, but because bioware wants you to pick some form of genocide/police state thing. There are several ways you can tell that bioware hates the refuse ending:

-No ending achivement, you get the stargazer scene, credits, and even the 'buy more dlc to continue shepard's story' but no achivement. 
-No closure, all the other endings got slides showing the state of the galaxy months or years later. But not refuse. Ok, so even accepting that we can't win (which I don't btw, but let's just go with that for now) why not show a couple slides of Garrus and Wrex fighting back to back as husks swarm them? Or Tali leading the quarian fleet into the dark space between systems, or to uncharted systems with no relay to escape the reapers? All we get is Liara passing the crucible plans down to the next cycle. Woo, we get to see vigil mk 2.
-Most painfully, is the tweet that the next cycle just used the crucible anyways if you refuse to. While I don't accept this as canon (my head canon ending is linked in siggy btw) it does show that Bioware refuses to acknowledge refuse as a legit ending. Seriously, why not let us see a few scenes of us trashing reapers before dieing then that the next cycle gets such a huge headstart they are able to defeat the reapers WITH OUT the crucible.

Hell, if you want 'arty' endings how about this:
Shepard gives his speech about not sacrificing his humanity and all that, reapers run around blowin s**t up, like they do. Then fade to black. Fade in on the next cycle, with alien ships, fighting through the reaper forces to dock the next crucible, and then it shows the starbrat finishing BSing about how genocide is a good thing. Afterwards the sole surviving alien, bleeding out next to the brat gives the same speech as shepard, refusing to sacrifice his/her/its morals just to appease the damned godbrat. Fade out halfway through the alien's speech. The fade in on another alien giving the speech to the starbrat, then another halfway through, then jump to another. Chain them so the different speeches from different alien races from different cycles all give the speech as one. 

That would be an 'arty' ending, and I would consider it good. But noooooo, we just get to know our choices were meaningless, our morals are bad, and we should feel bad. 

[TimeforTravel]

Some pieces of **** seriously vote NO "because it's not going to happen anyway".

No, not if the masses vote no for this dumbfounded reason! The poll starts with the question "Would you like..." So would you like to add a better scenario? "No, I would not like it because it's not going to happen anyway"

Err... ?

Modifié par TimeforTravel, 28 juillet 2012 - 07:36 .

[darthnick427]

I would have liked this option in EC if you had enough war assets. However since this will never happen I'll just stick with Destroy myself.