Though ME3 ending wasn't as satysfying as I'd wanted it to be, I think it's time to stop this riot. It's doubtful that BW is going to do anything with endings after EC. You're wasting your time.
Petition to Bioware- Victory Through Refusal
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Skirata129
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#52
Posté 17 juillet 2012 - 04:51
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mauro2222 wrote...
Anything that destroys Mac Walters' ridiculous plot solution is better. Yeah, killing the reapers with a giant donut is better than the Catalyst.
#53
Posté 17 juillet 2012 - 04:52
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SpamBot2000 wrote...
I suppose if a big oil spill happens and ruins some fishing village and the fishermen (and -women of course) protest the oil company, you go out of your way to drive there and yell at them to move on and deal with it too, because you're happy with their gas at the pump.
OMG YES, let´s compare ruining a fishing village to not liking the ending to a game.
Why don´t you also compare the ME3 ending to the atomic bomb being dropped or something?
#54
Posté 17 juillet 2012 - 04:54
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Yup, time to move on. The fans got thrown a bone, when one wasn't actually needed. Time to stop whining and get on with your lives.
#55
Posté 17 juillet 2012 - 04:55
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SpamBot2000 wrote...
Zjarcal wrote...
OMFG... it will never end with you people will it?
GET OVER IT! You didn't like the ending to a game, big deal, now just move on! Ugh.
(Or just write a damn fanfic where you can specifically get every single little thing you want, since clearly you won't be pleased with anything else)
I suppose if a big oil spill happens and ruins some fishing village and the fishermen (and -women of course) protest the oil company, you go out of your way to drive there and yell at them to move on and deal with it too, because you're happy with their gas at the pump.
The fact you're comparing what's happened here to something that would be actually important is pretty telling.
#56
Posté 17 juillet 2012 - 04:57
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I voted "yes" because I originally expected EMS work exactly that way.
That's the problem with the EMS mechanic - the number you achieve "realistically" (in ME-universe terms) doesn't match up against any assessment of the Reaper invasion force. But it's still there, and like every mission in the game you expect to be able to max out EMS and have the game acknowledge that, eventually.
I think some people are upset that they couldn't "game" the EMS mechanic. Like, say, if you reached a certain XP level in Dragon Age: Origins or KOTOR, and were able to win the final battle with a few swift strokes.
But, a conventional victory is not part of this story, and people will have to look elsewhere if they want to satisfy their desire to be the lone hero capable of vanquishing a mighty force of evil from the universe. There are plenty of other games out there that do this.
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Posté 17 juillet 2012 - 04:58
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Zjarcal wrote...
OMFG... it will never end with you people will it?
GET OVER IT! You didn't like the ending to a game, big deal, now just move on! Ugh.
(Or just write a damn fanfic where you can specifically get every single little thing you want, since clearly you won't be pleased with anything else)
OMFG... it will never end with you people will it ?
GET OVER IT! You don't like people complaining, big deal, now just move on! Ugh.
(Or just set up a damn forum of your own where you can specifically rule what other people can say)
#58
Posté 17 juillet 2012 - 04:59
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What he's trying to say is that not everyone must follow your standars.
#59
Posté 17 juillet 2012 - 05:02
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Baa Baa wrote...
A fan vid would be better for this. Just put the refuse ending in, and then add some fleets fighting and the reapers losing. BioWare will never do this, but it deserves a fan edit for sure.
this is a good one
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Posté 17 juillet 2012 - 05:07
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Would I like ME3 to be about conventional victory, without Crucible and different plot? Hell yes.
Would I like conventional victory possible in the ME3 we got? No.
edit: To clarify - conventional victory would have to take Crucible into account, if it would work in ME3 we got, so it wouldn't be "conventional". So not after the refuse ending, but yes instead of Catakid and his BS. Shepard boards Crucible, Crucible does something that allows us to win.
Would I like conventional victory possible in the ME3 we got? No.
edit: To clarify - conventional victory would have to take Crucible into account, if it would work in ME3 we got, so it wouldn't be "conventional". So not after the refuse ending, but yes instead of Catakid and his BS. Shepard boards Crucible, Crucible does something that allows us to win.
Modifié par Pitznik, 17 juillet 2012 - 05:19 .
#61
Posté 17 juillet 2012 - 05:07
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I would love any change to the game that removed the Catalyst and his three choices. Hell, I wouldn't even care if there was still a Crucible or a Catalyst - as long as it didn't involve the starchild and his options.
But they aren't going to change it. They received so much feedback about the endings over the last several months - tons of responses about the lack of closure, as well as lots of explanations about why people hated the ending and felt that the catalyst was a narrative contrivance - but the EC didn't change a whole lot. The Catalyst and his choices still exist, and one of the endings is still obnoxiously open-ended (and you can get it with lower EMS now, no less).
I don't think Bioware cares. Either they really think that Walters' ending choice is good and they stand behind it, or they don't want to admit it is bad and have to acknowledge that by completely reworking it.
But they aren't going to change it. They received so much feedback about the endings over the last several months - tons of responses about the lack of closure, as well as lots of explanations about why people hated the ending and felt that the catalyst was a narrative contrivance - but the EC didn't change a whole lot. The Catalyst and his choices still exist, and one of the endings is still obnoxiously open-ended (and you can get it with lower EMS now, no less).
I don't think Bioware cares. Either they really think that Walters' ending choice is good and they stand behind it, or they don't want to admit it is bad and have to acknowledge that by completely reworking it.
Modifié par Terraforming2154, 17 juillet 2012 - 05:17 .
#62
Posté 17 juillet 2012 - 05:11
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Oh, I've seen that one, it's great. That one's better than what I'm talking about though because it doesn't even use scenes from the game. It's entirely fan made and great.flanny wrote...
Baa Baa wrote...
A fan vid would be better for this. Just put the refuse ending in, and then add some fleets fighting and the reapers losing. BioWare will never do this, but it deserves a fan edit for sure.
this is a good one
#63
Posté 17 juillet 2012 - 05:12
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There is a small group working on making modding tools, so a mod removing the Catalyst COULD/MAY happen
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Posté 17 juillet 2012 - 05:12
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ThisTerraforming2154 wrote...
I would love any change to the game that removed the Catalyst and his three choices. Hell, I wouldn't even care if there was still a Crucible or a Catalyst - as long as it didn't involve the starchild and his options.
But they aren't going to change it. They received so much feedback about the endings over the last several months - tons of responses about the lack of closure, as well as lots of explanations about why people hated the ending and felt that the catalyst was a narrative contrivance - but the EC didn't change a whole lot. The Catalyst and his choices still exist, and one of the endings is still obnoxiously open-ended (and you can get it with lower EMS now, no less).
I don't think Bioware cares. Either they really think that Walter's ending choice is good and they stand behind it, or they don't want to admit it is bad and have to acknowledge that by completely reworking it.
#65
Posté 17 juillet 2012 - 05:16
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Zjarcal wrote...
OMG YES, let´s compare ruining a fishing village to not liking the ending to a game.
Why don´t you also compare the ME3 ending to the atomic bomb being dropped or something?
Nah. You'd just work yourself into more righteous indignation. I just don't see the point of protesting protesting. You love ME3? Cool, play some or write a love letter to BW.
And Tirranek. It's called satirical hyperbole.
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#66
Posté 17 juillet 2012 - 05:20
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No thanks.
The entire game is built around the premise that conventional victory is impossible and that we need the Crucible if we're going to stand any chance of winning. Changing that in the last 5 minutes of the game would be as much of an ass-pull as Star-Jar.
"Conventional victory is impossible."
"We aren't going to win this conventionally."
"Without the Crucible we're dead in the water."
"Get to the Citadel or we're all f***ed."
"Protect the Crucible at all costs or we're all going to die... WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!1!"
"LOLjk, you won conventionally because you gave that volus that obelisk."
The ME3 we have just isn't written with a conventional victory in mind.
The entire game is built around the premise that conventional victory is impossible and that we need the Crucible if we're going to stand any chance of winning. Changing that in the last 5 minutes of the game would be as much of an ass-pull as Star-Jar.
"Conventional victory is impossible."
"We aren't going to win this conventionally."
"Without the Crucible we're dead in the water."
"Get to the Citadel or we're all f***ed."
"Protect the Crucible at all costs or we're all going to die... WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!1!"
"LOLjk, you won conventionally because you gave that volus that obelisk."
The ME3 we have just isn't written with a conventional victory in mind.
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Posté 17 juillet 2012 - 05:21
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Too bad the crucible could not have just effected the Reapers targeting systems. More EMS, less hits scored by the Reapers.Jayleia wrote...
Haiyato wrote...
It took literally an entire fleet to bring down one Reaper. ME1 and the fight on Rannoch. I am sorry as much as I don't like the endings, the conventional victory is just not possible.
An entire fleet, or a few ships that happened to be able to bring secondary weapons into LoS to hit the Reaper's eye?
And...also, Codex disagrees with the entire fleet statement too. Now, I'll agree that conventional victory (ie shooting them into swiss cheese), given the numbers and technologies presented, should be impossible without some very UNCONVENTIONAL resources/tactics (ie, an alien superweapon that makes them easier to fight, but still leaves the ending up to how big and well-equipped your fleet is).
That, actually was sorta what I'd expected when I pre-ordered ME3, not the Reaper off-switch that they promised us DID NOT exist.
But, silly me, expecting a way to win the game.
#68
Posté 17 juillet 2012 - 05:32
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Unconventional Mass Effect storyline.
ME1:
Liara: Shepard, you think we can do this?
Shepard: No, of course not! It's a freaking Reaper! There is no way we can win against it with our fleet.
ME2:
Liara: Shepara, you think we can do this now?
Shepard: What are you talking about?! It is a suicide mission. SUICIDE! Of course we are going to die! All odds are against us.
ME3:
Liara: So, Shepard, you think we can do this?
Shepard: Are you stupid? Reapers are unstoppable. Even with the whole universe united, there is no way we can win this. By the time we win, Javik will suddenly love synthetics, and Krogan babies start walking on Tuchanke. Jeesh, Liara...
Shepard, the great realist of the galaxy!
ME1:
Liara: Shepard, you think we can do this?
Shepard: No, of course not! It's a freaking Reaper! There is no way we can win against it with our fleet.
ME2:
Liara: Shepara, you think we can do this now?
Shepard: What are you talking about?! It is a suicide mission. SUICIDE! Of course we are going to die! All odds are against us.
ME3:
Liara: So, Shepard, you think we can do this?
Shepard: Are you stupid? Reapers are unstoppable. Even with the whole universe united, there is no way we can win this. By the time we win, Javik will suddenly love synthetics, and Krogan babies start walking on Tuchanke. Jeesh, Liara...
Shepard, the great realist of the galaxy!
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#69
Posté 17 juillet 2012 - 05:32
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No. Conventional victory can only ruin the ME Trilogy.
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Posté 17 juillet 2012 - 05:35
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Seival wrote...
No. Conventional victory can onlyruinsave the ME Trilogy.
Fixed it for you... The Catalyst already ruined it
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Posté 17 juillet 2012 - 05:40
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SpamBot2000 wrote...
Zjarcal wrote...
OMG YES, let´s compare ruining a fishing village to not liking the ending to a game.
Why don´t you also compare the ME3 ending to the atomic bomb being dropped or something?
Nah. You'd just work yourself into more righteous indignation. I just don't see the point of protesting protesting. You love ME3? Cool, play some or write a love letter to BW.
And Tirranek. It's called satirical hyperbole.
Witty exaggerating, you say? While I enjoy that as much as anyone, using it is a method of argument is a bit self-harming if you're trying to make a point .
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Posté 17 juillet 2012 - 05:43
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Tirranek wrote...
Witty exaggerating, you say? While I enjoy that as much as anyone, using it is a method of argument is a bit self-harming if you're trying to make a point .
Well, we all get a little testy at times I suppose.
#74
Posté 17 juillet 2012 - 05:43
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Brovikk Rasputin wrote...
Deal with it, or get over it. That's your options.
It's like the endings for ME3.
Deal with it, get over it or embrace it (or bin the disks).
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Posté 17 juillet 2012 - 05:43
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Baronesa wrote...
Seival wrote...
No. Conventional victory can onlyruinsave the ME Trilogy.
Fixed it for you... The Catalyst already ruined it
I don't appreciate such "fixes"... The entire ending concept is perfect for me, and at least very good for thousands other players. Any petition for the conventional victory will provoke strong opposition among ME Trilogy fans. Besides, BioWare already told everyone they will not change the endings. This thread itself is completely pointless.
