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[GreyLycanTrope]

Seival wrote...

No. Conventional victory can only ruin the ME Trilogy.

Joke's on you it's already ruined

[Baa Baa]

jijeebo wrote...

No thanks.

The entire game is built around the premise that conventional victory is impossible and that we need the Crucible if we're going to stand any chance of winning. Changing that in the last 5 minutes of the game would be as much of an ass-pull as Star-Jar.

"Conventional victory is impossible."
"We aren't going to win this conventionally."
"Without the Crucible we're dead in the water."
"Get to the Citadel or we're all f***ed."
"Protect the Crucible at all costs or we're all going to die... WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!1!"

"LOLjk, you won conventionally because you gave that volus that obelisk."


The ME3 we have just isn't written with a conventional victory in mind.

Mass Effect 2 was written as if there was no chance of you coming back from the Suicide Mission, and it just so happens that you can get everyone out alive.
All the Mass Effects have placed all odds against you but you somehow come out alive. The Crucible really ruined that theme imo.

[Jeb231]

I'm fine with it if it involves a complete rewrite of ME3 or at least the second half because it wouldn't work in the context of the game I've played.

[psrz]

Seival wrote...

I don't appreciate such "fixes"... The entire ending concept is perfect for me, and at least very good for thousands other players. Any petition for the conventional victory will provoke strong opposition among ME Trilogy fans.

OP is not asking to remove StarBrat's options. Those who like it, could still choose them.

Seival wrote...
Besides, BioWare already told everyone they will not change the endings. This thread itself is completely pointless.

I'm afraid this is true.

[mauro2222]

Well... psrz beat me to it.

[Ironhandjustice]

I signed.

Is FAIR to have a "conventional victory" ending. Some people had above 10.000 ems LEGALLY in order to achieve it.

By the way, if this is added, I have a second petition, OP. Please ask to "clarify" that in starkid scene, sheppard conciousness has been "uploaded" to the citadel itself.

That would explain starkid and space stuff for good.

[AlanC9]

Baa Baa wrote...

Mass Effect 2 was written as if there was no chance of you coming back from the Suicide Mission, and it just so happens that you can get everyone out alive.

Except that in ME2 there was no particular reason to think that it really was a suicide mission. There wasn't any information available about what lay beyond the Omega-4 Relay, so determining the actual odds of success was just guesswork.

Modifié par AlanC9, 17 juillet 2012 - 06:18 .

[XqctaX]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Sorry, I can't support anything that recognizes the starkid as "real".

this is my standpoint too

Modifié par XqctaX, 17 juillet 2012 - 06:11 .

[taggen86]

You guys seriously need to replay the end of ME1. It took the ENTIRE CITADEL FLEET to take down one sovereign class reaper. The end of ME2 reveals that there are at least 200 of these. The only reapers shepard took down in me3 were the very small destroyers.

Conventional victory do not make sense and requires space magic.

Modifié par taggen86, 17 juillet 2012 - 07:30 .

[Haiyato]

Jayleia wrote...

Haiyato wrote...

It took literally an entire fleet to bring down one Reaper. ME1 and the fight on Rannoch. I am sorry as much as I don't like the endings, the conventional victory is just not possible.

An entire fleet, or a few ships that happened to be able to bring secondary weapons into LoS to hit the Reaper's eye?

And...also, Codex disagrees with the entire fleet statement too.  Now, I'll agree that conventional victory (ie shooting them into swiss cheese), given the numbers and technologies presented, should be impossible without some very UNCONVENTIONAL resources/tactics (ie, an alien superweapon that makes them easier to fight, but still leaves the ending up to how big and well-equipped your fleet is).

That, actually was sorta what I'd expected when I pre-ordered ME3, not the Reaper off-switch that they promised us DID NOT exist.

ME1 it took the entire Arturus Fleet to destroy Sovereign and that is with heavy casualties.

On Rannoch, Shephard had EDI communicate/coordinate with the Quarian fleet to launch the Orbital strike while painting the eye with the laser.

[Haiyato]

Haiyato wrote...

Jayleia wrote...

Haiyato wrote...

It took literally an entire fleet to bring down one Reaper. ME1 and the fight on Rannoch. I am sorry as much as I don't like the endings, the conventional victory is just not possible.

An entire fleet, or a few ships that happened to be able to bring secondary weapons into LoS to hit the Reaper's eye?

And...also, Codex disagrees with the entire fleet statement too.  Now, I'll agree that conventional victory (ie shooting them into swiss cheese), given the numbers and technologies presented, should be impossible without some very UNCONVENTIONAL resources/tactics (ie, an alien superweapon that makes them easier to fight, but still leaves the ending up to how big and well-equipped your fleet is).

That, actually was sorta what I'd expected when I pre-ordered ME3, not the Reaper off-switch that they promised us DID NOT exist.

ME1 it took the entire Arturus Fleet to destroy Sovereign and that is with heavy casualties. **EDIT** This is stated by Joker when he attempts to contact Shephard and says he has the entire Arturus Fleet with him standing by to have the relay open.

On Rannoch, Shephard had EDI communicate/coordinate with the Quarian fleet to launch the Orbital strike while painting the eye with the laser.

[Seival]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Seival wrote...

No. Conventional victory can only ruin the ME Trilogy.

Joke's on you it's already ruined

/thread

[silentassassin264]

 My thoughts on the matter.

[Haiyato]

Calinstel wrote...

taggen86 wrote...

You guys seriously need to replay the end of ME1. It took the ENTIRE CITADEL FLEET to take down one sovereign class reaper. The end of ME2 reveals that there are at least 200 of these. The only reapers shepard took down in me3 were the very small destroyers.

Conventional victory do not make sense without space magic.

With all due respect, it is not I who needs to redo the ending of ME1.
The geth engaged the Citadel fleet, not Sovereign.
Sovereign did swat one turian vessel (unsure if it was a cruiser or dreadnaught) but that was all.
Also, in the battle of the Alliance ships with Sovereign, only 8 cruisers were destroyed.  No dreadnaughts.  So, the battle was not so one sided as it seems.

Well according to the Wiki, a dreadnought (SSV Logan) only slowed a Reaper destroyer down.  And we lost the SSV Shasta in the Horse Head Nebula during a fight. The second, fourth, and fifth fleets are destroyed. I am assuming the three dreadnoughts are toast as well. Thats 4 dreadnoughts gone because there is no mention of the capital ships surviving from these three. We also don't know how many dreadnoughts were lost from the other council species. I don't know a conventional win would even work if they attack in a group. Fleet versus one yes.

http://masseffect.wi...i/Alliance_Navy

[mango smoothie]

Sorry I can't support a conventional victory with the current way the story is set up with the Reapers. If they had gone ahead and shown weaknesses in Reapers in Mass Effect 2 and didn't try to make the Reapers seem so impossible to defeat in Mass Effect 3 then they could've done a conventional.

If Bioware wanted to do a conventional ending then they should've thought of that really in Mass Effect 1, but at least in Mass Effect 2.

[ZLurps]

Calinstel wrote...

taggen86 wrote...

You guys seriously need to replay the end of ME1. It took the ENTIRE CITADEL FLEET to take down one sovereign class reaper. The end of ME2 reveals that there are at least 200 of these. The only reapers shepard took down in me3 were the very small destroyers.

Conventional victory do not make sense without space magic.

With all due respect, it is not I who needs to redo the ending of ME1.
The geth engaged the Citadel fleet, not Sovereign.
Sovereign did swat one turian vessel (unsure if it was a cruiser or dreadnaught) but that was all.
Also, in the battle of the Alliance ships with Sovereign, only 8 cruisers were destroyed.  No dreadnaughts.  So, the battle was not so one sided as it seems.

Edit... I was too hasty.

Only 8 cruisers were destroyed, and that's because Sovereign's shields went down, not because fleet was firing it, but because what happened in Citadel when Sovereign tried open the Citadel relay.

Modifié par ZLurps, 17 juillet 2012 - 07:50 .

[Blueprotoss]

Skirata129 wrote...

Linked below is a poll asking the fanbase whether they would appreciate the possibility of conventional victory through the refuse option, should EMS be high enough. Please vote, as this would truly solve one of the most pressing complaints of BSN, and Mass Effect fans everywhere.

Poll

This won't happen and it goes against the ME univerese based on the Reapers being the most advanced thing in the Milky Way.  I'm surprised I haven't heard that much complaining like in Gears 3, Starcraft 2, Deus Ex: Human Revolution, and etc that fight against unconvential enemies.

mango smoothie wrote...

Sorry I can't support a conventional victory with the current way the story is set up with the Reapers. If they had gone ahead and shown weaknesses in Reapers in Mass Effect 2 and didn't try to make the Reapers seem so impossible to defeat in Mass Effect 3 then they could've done a conventional.

If Bioware wanted to do a conventional ending then they should've thought of that really in Mass Effect 1, but at least in Mass Effect 2.

Agreed because Sovreign won't have man handled the Citadel and Alliances forces in ME1. 

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 17 juillet 2012 - 07:46 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

Seival wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Seival wrote...

No. Conventional victory can only ruin the ME Trilogy.

Joke's on you it's already ruined

/thread

This statement is false

[CroGamer002]

Everyone knows how much I hate IT?


Well, convectional victory makes me love IT.

Yes, that thing is THAT bad!

[taggen86]

Edit... I was too hasty.

Only 8 cruisers were destroyed, and that's because Sovereign's shields went down, not because fleet was firing it, but because what happened in Citadel when Sovereign tried open the Citadel relay.

[/quote]
Good point with sovereigns shields up it could have taken the whole me3 fleet to take it down conv victory is a dumb idea. harb alone would have kicked shepards ass

Modifié par taggen86, 17 juillet 2012 - 07:58 .

[dreman9999]

Haiyato wrote...

Jayleia wrote...

Haiyato wrote...

It took literally an entire fleet to bring down one Reaper. ME1 and the fight on Rannoch. I am sorry as much as I don't like the endings, the conventional victory is just not possible.

An entire fleet, or a few ships that happened to be able to bring secondary weapons into LoS to hit the Reaper's eye?

And...also, Codex disagrees with the entire fleet statement too.  Now, I'll agree that conventional victory (ie shooting them into swiss cheese), given the numbers and technologies presented, should be impossible without some very UNCONVENTIONAL resources/tactics (ie, an alien superweapon that makes them easier to fight, but still leaves the ending up to how big and well-equipped your fleet is).

That, actually was sorta what I'd expected when I pre-ordered ME3, not the Reaper off-switch that they promised us DID NOT exist.

ME1 it took the entire Arturus Fleet to destroy Sovereign and that is with heavy casualties.

On Rannoch, Shephard had EDI communicate/coordinate with the Quarian fleet to launch the Orbital strike while painting the eye with the laser.

iN me1, sovergin had to be stunned first to kill.
In rennoch it took 3 shots from an entire fleet to kill one......That can't be done if your facing a fleet of reapers. These are ships that needs at least a fleet to kill in mass which these same ships can also one shot any of our ships.

[WarGriffin]

at this point...

I bet the Conventional victory ending is only gonna come after they add in all the SP DLC

[dreman9999]

Calinstel wrote...

taggen86 wrote...

You guys seriously need to replay the end of ME1. It took the ENTIRE CITADEL FLEET to take down one sovereign class reaper. The end of ME2 reveals that there are at least 200 of these. The only reapers shepard took down in me3 were the very small destroyers.

Conventional victory do not make sense without space magic.

With all due respect, it is not I who needs to redo the ending of ME1.
The geth engaged the Citadel fleet, not Sovereign.
Sovereign did swat one turian vessel (unsure if it was a cruiser or dreadnaught) but that was all.
Also, in the battle of the Alliance ships with Sovereign, only 8 cruisers were destroyed.  No dreadnaughts.  So, the battle was not so one sided as it seems.

Yes it was. Sovegin only got kill because he was stunned. It was that one sided.

[taggen86]

dreman9999, I can add that the rannoch reaper was only a destroyer -a kind of reaper that is several times smaller than sovereign and probably do not have shields as strong as normal reapers aswell. And still it took a lot to kill it!

Modifié par taggen86, 17 juillet 2012 - 08:02 .