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I like this game a lot but I have a little bone to pick with an issue of copying voices and faces of people without telling them


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The whole plagiarism this plagiarism that is really getting old. Hey, want me to indulge you on a HUGE secret of the music industry? EVERY SINGLE MUSICIAN RIPS OFF EACH OTHER BY PLAYING THE SAME NOTES OMFG :o



Seriously, of course there's going to be similiar characters, similiar motiffs, and similiar details after there's been so many games, books, and movies made on the whole epic fantasy saga stuff. It's what makes these games & books so good and enjoyable - the fact that they are familiar, that we can relate with them. It's not plagiarism, it's art. This is how it works.

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You are presuming that the VA even knew of the existence of this guy from this film you saw let alone deliberately copied his voice. You do not know this and for all you know the guy from the film copied someone else that you don't know of.



somebodies voice belongs to them, a VA makes or copies voices, that is his job. The actor has his own voice.




So because it just happened by coincidence that he used a voice similar to this other guy then they owe him money?  And how do you know that the actor used his own voice?  You're grasping at straws mate, and I seriously question why you care, since it's blatantly obvious that they didn't plagiarise the voice, if you believe otherwise go let this other actor know, and he can go and try and sue and fail and lose what little money he has.


is that what they said about the 300 guy too? 

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I think Arlessa Isolde is a dead ringer for the French princess from Braveheart

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Well noticed OP. Only a Real Gamer would be this sharp.

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Well noticed OP. Only a Real Gamer would be this sharp.


I felt sorry for the guy. He's some struggling actor/musician and his voice is being used in a big production without his knowledge or giving him acknowledgement.

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Why feel sorry? None of us are doing any better than a mediocre fame status voice actor is probably tbh

Edit : Look at it this way , an even less well off and less known voice actor got the job instead of that guy , now that other guy is doing a bit better

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Why feel sorry? None of us are doing any better than a mediocre fame status voice actor is probably tbh



pat fraley is not just a mediocre fame status VA. he's probably super rich from royalties and very famous. go look at his accomplishments.

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Ok deep breath...do you know, with 100% certainty, that:



a) Pat Fraley based his voicing of Bhelen on this Larry Bagby

B) Larry Bagby used his normal speaking voice in the film you saw

c) Larry Bagby was not aware of Pat Fraley when he performed in the film you saw, and did not base his voicing of the character on Pat Fraley



Unless the answer to all three of these is questions is a definite, no-questions-about-it 'yes' - and you know this for absolute fact - there is no case here. There is no legal or ethical issue, there is just...nothing. At all. Sorry. Wild speculation on your part does not constitute plagiarism on Bioware's part.

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Whatever mr.movie buff , point is theres no need to feel sorry for the guy



So dragon age hired someone who happens to sound like him , its not like they went to his house and killed everyone in it besides him and left him to go into a severe depression or anything

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Ok deep breath...do you know, with 100% certainty, that:

a) Pat Fraley based his voicing of Bhelen on this Larry Bagby
B) Larry Bagby used his normal speaking voice in the film you saw
c) Larry Bagby was not aware of Pat Fraley when he performed in the film you saw, and did not base his voicing of the character on Pat Fraley

Unless the answer to all three of these is questions is a definite, no-questions-about-it 'yes' - and you know this for absolute fact - there is no case here. There is no legal or ethical issue, there is just...nothing. At all. Sorry. Wild speculation on your part does not constitute plagiarism on Bioware's part.



a) Pat Fraleys voice in the Pirates of the great salt lakes is very similar to Bherats and very unique
B) Larry Bagby did not use his normal speaking voice, but since he is not a VA himself his voice was very similar to his normal speaking voice as it is. If you watch clips of him u will see that Bherat copies his accent/slang as much as his garbled speech style from Larry Bagbys movie voice acting.
c) see B) . Larry Bagbys original voice is very similar to Bherats and almost identical when u watch the movie.

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I take it you analyzed the two voices and found a match? Or are you making waves because they sound too similar for you, based on the quality of your hearing?



What you need is proof, people can sound similar and even alike but if you have no factual proof that his voice and the one in-game match completely....there's nothing more to glean from arguing about it anymore.

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Feel free not to respond to this comment, but it irks me so much I have to say it. PLAGIARISM. Is how you spell it.

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You're an idiot.

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OP seems to be forgetting, even if Fraley is imitating Bagby (which is a ludicrous assumption), no-one has to pay him anything. If you had to pay someone for having their voice imitated, then impressionist comedians and most voice-over actors would end up out of work. How many cartoons have you seen where any number of voices are merely imitations of famous people? Just about any cartoon you can name has them. Do you think any of them has to pay those they imitate? No, they don't.

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You can plagiarise facial hair, now?

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OP seems to be forgetting, even if Fraley is imitating Bagby (which is a ludicrous assumption), no-one has to pay him anything. If you had to pay someone for having their voice imitated, then impressionist comedians and most voice-over actors would end up out of work. How many cartoons have you seen where any number of voices are merely imitations of famous people? Just about any cartoon you can name has them. Do you think any of them has to pay those they imitate? No, they don't.


false. to immitate somebodies voice as a clear immitation is fine. people know it is an imitation.

to use somebodies voice because it is good to sell goods without people knowing it is an imitation, is using somebodies assets to further your own wealth without getting permission. If that were legal they would just copy every famous actors voice without paying them to voice act.

that guy needs to get paid or recognition.

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false. to immitate somebodies voice as a clear immitation is fine. people know it is an imitation.

to use somebodies voice because it is good to sell goods without people knowing it is an imitation, is using somebodies assets to further your own wealth without getting permission. If that were legal they would just copy every famous actors voice without paying them to voice act.

that guy needs to get paid or recognition.


Just what proof do you have of plagiarism, exactly? How do you know the person wasn't approached, wasn't paid, was even stolen in the first place?

All I'm hearing is "This guy sounds a bit like this guy" and you're in an uproar over it.

Am I meant to grab my pitchfork and join in the fun on that alone?

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That's the most ridiculous "complaint" I've read in a forum for quite some time, thanks for the laughs.

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Something tells me that the OP is trying to troll us into watching this horrendous film.
>.>
<.<
I'm almost tempted to watch this film

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Tonya777 wrote...

Lelianna looks like my little sisters friends mom




Hook a brother up?

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I will follow this closely as its outcome interests me. Maybe I can sue anyone who sounds kinda similar to me claiming they are using my likeness without authorization? :)

Hope the VA didn't use any words the unknown actor have spoken, then BioWare would be even more eligble to a lawsuits for stealing.. something.. ;)

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Lelianna looks like my little sisters friends mom




Hook a brother up?


lol

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How can any one 'own' the sound of a voice that someone else apparently can reproduce naturally on their own? If someone can make the voice, then they have just as much right to the voice as anyone else.

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Tonya777 wrote...

Yeah sure and its plagerism too because

Alistair kind of looks like Chris Jericho
Wynne looks like your grandma
Loghain looks like your grandpa
The dog resembles that dog from that one movie
Sten looks like Will Smith 40 years in the future
Zevran looks like Link from Zelda
Lelianna looks like my little sisters friends mom
Shale looks like that pile of rocks in your front yard
Ogrehn looks like Mario Batali

ITS ALL PLAGERISM THEN! (GASP!)


THIS IS EPIC WIN!!!!!!!!!


However, you forgot something: DAO is a PC game, there were other PC games before. ITS PLAGIARISM!!!

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How can any one 'own' the sound of a voice that someone else apparently can reproduce naturally on their own? If someone can make the voice, then they have just as much right to the voice as anyone else.




easily. if somebody else copies something somebody came up with, they need to pay that person.

copying without giving credit is wrong. If he can naturally do a voice than that's great, but if he copies something from somebody else, than he should give credit to the person he copied it from.


if there was no Larry Bagby, there would be no Bherat, plain and simple, and therefore he needs to give whoever he copied credit.

if what u say is true, why would anyone pay voice actors and not just pay 1 guy that can copy them all. i'm pretty sure they would get sued.

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