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[Shorinjikan]

^@L Niah, just logged out and I must admit my elf could do with bulking up on her drainpipe arms, though she is otherwise fine.

[DarthRomance]

No McDonalds in Ferelden....yet. At least they don't seem as skinny as in Mass Effect.

[Shorinjikan]

Sbri wrote...
Having used a 5 foot sword for stage combat, even that 5 lbs of weight can get tiring.  If you are not in shape, you will tire very quickly..   ..No skinny armed waif is going to remain skinny armed for long even if all she is toting is a 5 pound sword.

Nor will she turn into a bodybuilder. Women don't bulk up just like that - even if they are body builders. Takes time.

I have also used swords and yes, they are heavy. (despite not weighing that much - I have a 6kg club in my lap right now. easy to pick up and move but to do something with it?? hell no) It does wear you out, but then so does trying to keep your hands up for more than a few minutes.


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Modifié par Shorinjikan, 18 décembre 2009 - 06:04 .

[th3warr1or]

Why the hell are people complaining? People complained that your [female] hero became huge in Fable 2 after becoming Strong.

[th3warr1or]

Shorinjikan wrote...

Sbri wrote...
Having used a 5 foot sword for stage combat, even that 5 lbs of weight can get tiring.  If you are not in shape, you will tire very quickly..   ..No skinny armed waif is going to remain skinny armed for long even if all she is toting is a 5 pound sword.

Nor will she turn into a bodybuilder. Women don't bulk up just like that - even if they are body builders. Takes time.

I have also used swords and yes, they are heavy. (despite not weighing that much - I have a 6kg club in my lap right now. easy to pick up and move but to do something with it?? hell no) It does wear you out, but then so does trying to keep your hands up for more than a few minutes.


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Heavy weapons take a toll on your WRISTS and arm, not biceps...

[damage1900]

Magic weapons... weight is moot

[phordicus]

because they use the same base model as males, so the only way to differentiate them is with the glamorous anorexia + big boobs combo. true story.

[Mikey_205]

Why do male wizards always have six packs?

[Gracchio]

JasonPogo wrote...

Is it just me or dose it kinda irk anyone else?  I am fine with the female model in this game but wich they had made her just a little thicker.  It is kinda silly seeing my female warrior swing around her big sword and shield with those toothpick like arms...

Considering food was rather scarce in the middle ages and there wasn't any junkfood or chemical stuff which made you fat AND most people had to work all day, it's not that strange. And people who fight all day just don't have bodyfat.

Some fat nobles who aren't warriors would be more realistic tho.

Also big muscles are weaker then lean muscles when it comes to combat. Bodybuilders are WAY more fragile then martial artists. But indeed, swinging around a 10kg 2h sword would cause you to get big muscles

[kevinwastaken]

Mikey_205 wrote...

Why do male wizards always have six packs?

wizard orgies.

[Tirigon]

Spartansfan8888 wrote...

Maybe elves like their women skinny and maybe dwarves like their women like they are with their ridiculously large wingspans for their heights lol. It wouldnt be surprising to me that humans are the only females that would appeal to, well... humans.

I knew it, I must be an elf in reality. I like the elf models MUCH better than the humans.

[Gecon]

Gracchio wrote...

Also big muscles are weaker then lean muscles when it comes to combat. Bodybuilders are WAY more fragile then martial artists.

Err ... now where did you get that bullocks from ?!?

Martial artist wont have an easy day against a very muscled person. First of all, that many muscles are simply protection. Many tricks that work with weaker people wont work any more, or at least much less well.

Second, yes big muscles means big strength. Thats why weight lifters have many muscles, just like bodybuilders, after all. So the big muscle guy is indeed a hefty thread. What the martial artist can do to compensate is speed and endurance, for which you dont need BIG muscles. But sheer power, thats what the big muscle guy will be superior in.

What you probably think about is a bodybuilder close before a tournament. Because then bodybuilders dont eat much, to get rid of body fat, so one can see the muscles better. No body fat, low sugar = nothing to work with = big muscles still there, but theres simply no fuel for them = big muscled guy is actually very weak right now.

[Shorinjikan]

Gracchio wrote...

Considering food was rather scarce in the middle ages and there wasn't any junkfood or chemical stuff which made you fat..

 Most people did have to work all day, otherwise no.

 And people who fight all day just don't have bodyfat.

No. http://www.mmalinker.../3/33/Fedor.jpg

Also big muscles are weaker then lean muscles when it comes to combat. Bodybuilders are WAY more fragile then martial artists.

  I think you may have misunderstood something here... 

swinging around a 10kg 2h sword would cause you to get big muscles

possibly. You would have to get some fool to make you that 10kg sword first though - perhaps you could get an atlantean sword replica? (you know, with added rocks.)

[Ciassa]

Only decent chicks are dwarven. I grew up learning to appreciate the greek ideal, rather than the pipe cleaner emulations

[LadyDrusilla]

Ok, historical weapon weights: (taken from original examples from my ancestors, recently acquires historical examples and research trips to museum armouries such as Leeds and Graz.)
Dagger 2-500g
Single hand sword: 800-1200g
Two hand sword: 2000-4000g
Excludes ceremonial weapons which were often considerably heavier, but not used in combat.

Armour weights:
Leather lamellar: not sure
Metal lamellar (scale): 5000-10000g
Mail hauberk 15000-20000g
Mail chausses 10000-15000g
Full plate: 25000-35000g

It is worth remembering that the weight of mail will be borne predominately on the shoulders and belt, while the weight of plate is evenly distributed accross the body. With well articulated plate it is quite easy to move. I can do gymnastics in my gothic plate harness (29000g).

The weight of swords was balanced for ease of use, it was not the same as waving around the equivalent weight in metal bar.
You do NOT have to be a bodybuilder to wield weapons and wear armour, the bodybuilder style of muscle mass is a modenr phenomenon. If you look at historical images of warriors and soldiers you will see they look lean rather than beefy.
Running around in armour using weapons will make you lean, not beefy. For a woman it is a great way of staying in shape. I should know, I've been a historical reenactor since I was five. A proper reenactor with metal weapons and armour, none of that SCA rubbish*.
While some women are naturally chunkier in build than others, given the profession of the woman in DA:O (and other fantasy settings) it is quite reasonable to assume that they would have got very lean quite quickly. I'm all for more body shapes and rational treatment of women in games, but you would not see rubenesque women adventurers simply because the excess body fat (attractive though it may be) would get burnt off. This will affect breast size to some extent, but it depends on the natural size of the woman. I have very little bodyfat but quite large breasts, other woman will have more bodyfat and smaller breasts.

*Edit: I can't stand the way the SCA does things, but if you are in the SCA and enjoy it, all power to you. The main thing is if you enjoy it, I do not because I am more about accuracy and fighting skill than socialising and having fun.

Modifié par LadyDrusilla, 22 décembre 2009 - 03:31 .

[Faerell Gustani]

th3warr1or wrote...

Heavy weapons take a toll on your WRISTS and arm, not biceps... 

Ding!  +rep for this man.
If you're using your arms to make the swings, then you're doing it wrong.

Power comes from waist and shoulder torque.  This is true in armed and unarmed combat.
Power starts from your stance, your feet.  Press off and your waist twists...this causes everything above to move and generate power.  Shoulders follow suit and generate even more power.
Arms don't generate power, they guide the weapon to the location, and snapping the wrist is where you get the final bit of "umph" to your strike.
Expect forearms and wrists to be strong...not upper arm.

Also, Drusilla sounds like a woman after my heart.  I would be honored to spar with you some day.

[Estelindis]

I have to agree with the OP: girls' arms are way too skinny.

I saw a post somewhere that said that city elves should be thinner to reflect their poorer nutrition and my instant reaction (having played a female city elf) was: what, they're not skinny enough already?  Toothpick-like arms indeed...

Trouble is, there's a thin line between what's actually healthy and what people perceive as overweight due to media-saturation of certain female stereotypes.  Put "real women" (appearance-wise) in games and you'd probably have a gamer revolt.  ;-)