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[lv12medic]

Well, if your PC sacrafices him/her self, then its literally game over I guess?



Even though Thedas may be completely and utterly depressing, atleast you're character died taking out an Archdemon. Most people that die in this game don't have any special ending. Stabbed, shot by an arrow, fell off a cliff, stepped on a trap, squished by an ogre, poisoned, eaten by a wolf, stupidity etc.

[doubledeviant]

AntiChri5 wrote...

I cant beleive the OP likes Orlais more than Ferelden. Does he know what goes on there?

I know Orlais is corrupt.  I never said that Orlais is better than Ferelden.  But in Orlais, I can let Grey Wardens and chevaliers throw themselves against the Blight while I have sex with Marjoline.  ;-)

[The Angry One]

Taleroth wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

The Old Gods were male and female, but this one is supposedly Uthierl (sp?), the male god of beauty.

A male god of beauty?  How ironically progressive.

For a nation that mass-sacrifices slaves, anyway.
... then again the Aztec emperors could be quite dolled up too..

[Herr Uhl]

Maria Caliban wrote...

The Old Gods were male and female, but this one is supposedly Uthierl (sp?), the male god of beauty.

Since they also referred to the number of Old Gods to be finite, gender is pretty irrelevant to me. I'd call it an it.

[ReubenLiew]

If there is any right answer for this thread, I feel it is this.



Cause your dog will die otherwise, you sick bastard! Die for you dog, damnit, DIE!

[Bhatair]

lv12medic wrote...

Well, if your PC sacrafices him/her self, then its literally game over I guess?

Even though Thedas may be completely and utterly depressing, atleast you're character died taking out an Archdemon. Most people that die in this game don't have any special ending. Stabbed, shot by an arrow, fell off a cliff, stepped on a trap, squished by an ogre, poisoned, eaten by a wolf, stupidity etc.

Don't forget Niall's unique death - slept to death by a Sloth demon.

[The Angry One]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

The Old Gods were male and female, but this one is supposedly Uthierl (sp?), the male god of beauty.

Since they also referred to the number of Old Gods to be finite, gender is pretty irrelevant to me. I'd call it an it.

Unless an old god is really just a particularily old dragon, they'd be finite because most of them go and get killed by dragon hunters or set up stupid cults with Leonidas impersonators to attract too much attention.

[Nosuchluck]

robertthebard wrote...

Tassiaw wrote...

That's an incredibly narrow and selfish way of thinking. Our real world is no better than "barbaric" Ferelden. There's an ever-widening rift between the rich and poor, social injustices are as common as mosquitoes, terrible men lead nations, religious fanatics threaten our very existence... and yet, we don't submit. We don't lay down and give up. It's not our way, so why should it be any different for a Grey Warden? They do their duty because it must be done. Evil must be fought, and the innocent must be protected.

So I take it you are a member of our armed forces, and are just awaiting deployment?  Or, is it more likely that you believe what you wrote, but believe that somebody else should do the dying for you?  With that said, the question is sacrificing one's self, not the armed forces, to save the world.  12 Bravo, Combat Engineer, or I was, when I served this country.  46 is far too old to re-enlist, or I might have.  The point being, that while self sacrifice is the one option I haven't taken yet, I also had a character that believed that while the world did need to be saved, she surely wasn't giving up her life to do so.

This might come as a massive surprise but shooting people isn't the only way to contribute to the world and make it a better place. You don't HAVE to be in the army to make a diffeerence, actually I'd say the  military  right now are just contributing to the problems of the world.

Modifié par Nosuchluck, 17 décembre 2009 - 07:23 .

[Herr Uhl]

ReubenLiew wrote...

If there is any right answer for this thread, I feel it is this.

Cause your dog will die otherwise, you sick bastard! Die for you dog, damnit, DIE!

Nah, they would see the awesome that is dog and spare him. He'd become Teyrn of Highever once the darkspawn take over.

[Akrim_Drak]

doubledeviant wrote...

The human nobility is corrupt.

The dwarven social system is unjust.

The elves are a bitter and broken people.

Mages submit to a hypocritical church and live as its prisoners.

Why would you sacrifice yourself to preserve this status quo?

Hells, if you can't tear down these institutions, why not join up with the Archdemon and watch it all burn?  Or at the least head north to Orlais, let Ferelden fall, and force the Grey Wardens of Orlais to deal with the Blight?

Perhaps I'll make a mod called "Head North" that ends the game immediately following or perhaps even before the battle at Ostagar.  :-D

Perhaps Gaider's point is that it isn't worth sacrficing yourself and your friends/lovers for?  His characters who sacrifice moral principles or love for the sake of duty to kingdom or cause (Maric, Loghain, Rowan, others) live a life full of regret and pain.  Thoughts?

I'm nearing the end of the game and I have no motivation to sacrfice myself to save this world.  I've read that there are multiple endings including but not limited to self-sacrifice, so I'm hoping for a decent ending for my character.

I'm curious to know why (from a RP perspective) you might be willing to sac yourself, so feel free to share your thoughts on why I'm wrong and vile and evil.  ;-)

Orlais is west of Ferelden by the way, might wanna bring a map when you run away!

And I sacrificed myself because I was just sick of dealing with everyone elses crap. Selfish reason for a selfless act. 

[ReubenLiew]

The Angry One wrote...

Unless an old god is really just a particularily old dragon, they'd be finite because most of them go and get killed by dragon hunters or set up stupid cults with Leonidas impersonators to attract too much attention.

All they needed was some Botox to fix it all up.

And thus the true reason for the Blight is revealed. A crusade for Botox.

[Taleroth]

The Angry One wrote...

What, men can't be pretty?

Of course we can.  I've known several damned pretty men in my time, if I do say so.

[doubledeviant]

Eh, we should probably not start arguing about real world military politics. I can see that going south reeeaaal fast.

[robertthebard]

Tassiaw wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

So I take it you are a member of our armed forces, and are just awaiting deployment?  Or, is it more likely that you believe what you wrote, but believe that somebody else should do the dying for you?  With that said, the question is sacrificing one's self, not the armed forces, to save the world.  12 Bravo, Combat Engineer, or I was, when I served this country.  46 is far too old to re-enlist, or I might have.  The point being, that while self sacrifice is the one option I haven't taken yet, I also had a character that believed that while the world did need to be saved, she surely wasn't giving up her life to do so.

I myself am not in the military, though I've really been thinking about it lately. My father and stepfather both served, and my fiance is an RCMP officer, which is just as vital as military. I have the utmost respect for anyone who serves their country.

It might be that whole inability to interpret text properly thing, but you came off as rather hostile.

Not really hostile at all, or not meaning to be.  It's more to the point that I have read the "The world must be saved" spiel a lot from people that would be considered perfectly fit to duty in the armed services, that have stated unequivocably that they would dodge a draft.  Cynical about meaning, but not hostile, at least not deliberately so.

[doubledeviant]

Akrim_Drak wrote...

Orlais is west of Ferelden by the way, might wanna bring a map when you run away!

And I sacrificed myself because I was just sick of dealing with everyone elses crap. Selfish reason for a selfless act. 

Are you sure?  It looks to be north on the map.  And "Head North" has such a nice ring to it.

[Akrim_Drak]

doubledeviant wrote...

Akrim_Drak wrote...

Orlais is west of Ferelden by the way, might wanna bring a map when you run away!

And I sacrificed myself because I was just sick of dealing with everyone elses crap. Selfish reason for a selfless act. 

Are you sure?  It looks to be north on the map.  And "Head North" has such a nice ring to it.

On the big map wallpaper they have on the main site it's west, Free Marches is directly North of Ferelden. It's west in the books as well(there's a dinky little map on the first page of both books)

[Taleroth]

robertthebard wrote...

Tassiaw wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

So I take it you are a member of our armed forces, and are just awaiting deployment?  Or, is it more likely that you believe what you wrote, but believe that somebody else should do the dying for you?  With that said, the question is sacrificing one's self, not the armed forces, to save the world.  12 Bravo, Combat Engineer, or I was, when I served this country.  46 is far too old to re-enlist, or I might have.  The point being, that while self sacrifice is the one option I haven't taken yet, I also had a character that believed that while the world did need to be saved, she surely wasn't giving up her life to do so.

I myself am not in the military, though I've really been thinking about it lately. My father and stepfather both served, and my fiance is an RCMP officer, which is just as vital as military. I have the utmost respect for anyone who serves their country.

It might be that whole inability to interpret text properly thing, but you came off as rather hostile.

Not really hostile at all, or not meaning to be.  It's more to the point that I have read the "The world must be saved" spiel a lot from people that would be considered perfectly fit to duty in the armed services, that have stated unequivocably that they would dodge a draft.  Cynical about meaning, but not hostile, at least not deliberately so.

I do believe I missed the memo where each countries' armed forces was undoutedly saving the world with each war it fought.

[doubledeviant]

Akrim_Drak wrote...

On the big map wallpaper they have on the main site it's west, Free Marches is directly North of Ferelden. It's west in the books as well(there's a dinky little map on the first page of both books)

Well, then I'll head north to the Free Marches instead!  Sounds better anyway.  ;-)

[robertthebard]

Tassiaw wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

Not really hostile at all, or not meaning to be.  It's more to the point that I have read the "The world must be saved" spiel a lot from people that would be considered perfectly fit to duty in the armed services, that have stated unequivocably that they would dodge a draft.  Cynical about meaning, but not hostile, at least not deliberately so.

We generally don't get drafted in Canada, but I'm not one to shirk my duty. That's not how I was raised.

We currently don't have a draft here either.  However, I'm not one to shirk duty IRL either, but I surely found ways around it in game...

Morrigan pregnant, with Loghain's kid...
Loghain dead, so I wouldn't have to be...
Alistair dead, so I wouldn't have to be...
I have, however, ran out of options, so I guess I'm doomed this time through.

[bobsmyuncle]

I'd say that thinking the only way to save the world is to join the military is a little short-sighted. Currently I'm trying to make the world a better place by volunteering with elementary school kids.

If women could be drafted, I wouldn't dodge due to personal convictions, but I'd certainly sympathize with dodgers. I can't guarantee I'd even be a good soldier, because I'll tell you right now I'd probably shoot to miss. That doesn't mean I want to see the world burn.

I'm not sure why we're discussing IRL military.

Back to the darkspawn, I wouldn't compare it to I am Legend (there's more than one of you, and most darkspawn are mindless) but it's fun to consider that angle.

[ReubenLiew]

Taleroth wrote...
I do believe I missed the memo where each countries' armed forces was undoutedly saving the world with each war it fought.

Thats what happens when you skip Wednesday meetings, man.

[Herr Uhl]

ReubenLiew wrote...

Taleroth wrote...
I do believe I missed the memo where each countries' armed forces was undoutedly saving the world with each war it fought.

Thats what happens when you skip Wednesday meetings, man.

But sleeping in is totally worth it.

[doubledeviant]

The Angry One wrote...

Unless an old god is really just a particularily old dragon, they'd be finite because most of them go and get killed by dragon hunters or set up stupid cults with Leonidas impersonators to attract too much attention.

This... is... Ferelden!!!

lol