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[Rasengam6666]

Taleroth wrote...
I firmly believe that in order to get just the right kind of fangirl it is important to value them while ignoring them completely.

lol

That line made me laugh all day long, dude

Modifié par Rasengam6666, 17 décembre 2009 - 09:16 .

[AntiChri5]

doubledeviant wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

I cant beleive the OP likes Orlais more than Ferelden. Does he know what goes on there?

I know Orlais is corrupt.  I never said that Orlais is better than Ferelden.  But in Orlais, I can let Grey Wardens and chevaliers throw themselves against the Blight while I have sex with Marjoline.  ;-)

Orlais goes WAY beyond corruption. Have you talked to the chick selling flowers in Denerim? The only reason to go to Orlais would be to kill the Empress at the head of a peasent revolt.

Okay sex with Marjolaine too. Just so long as i can bring Leliana.

[The Angry One]

Yeah those damn corrupt Orlesians!

Ferelden would never tolerate nobles who sit around all day with their worse-than-criminal guards, only coming out to kidnap women to rape!



.... ohwaitlol

[Herr Uhl]

The Angry One wrote...

Yeah those damn corrupt Orlesians!
Ferelden would never tolerate nobles who sit around all day with their worse-than-criminal guards, only coming out to kidnap women to rape!

Ferelden: Rapes elves
Orlais: Rapes women in general

And elves don't count.

[The Angry One]

Herr Uhl wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Yeah those damn corrupt Orlesians!
Ferelden would never tolerate nobles who sit around all day with their worse-than-criminal guards, only coming out to kidnap women to rape!

Ferelden: Rapes elves
Orlais: Rapes women in general

And elves don't count.

Given his and the guard's attitude to women in general (i.e. "you wench! I'll show you how a MAN fights" *gets head chopped off* "errr... really badly?") I find myself wondering if that's the case.
They just wouldn't be so blatant about it with humans.

[Kohaku]

The Angry One wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Yeah those damn corrupt Orlesians!
Ferelden would never tolerate nobles who sit around all day with their worse-than-criminal guards, only coming out to kidnap women to rape!

Ferelden: Rapes elves
Orlais: Rapes women in general

And elves don't count.

Given his and the guard's attitude to women in general (i.e. "you wench! I'll show you how a MAN fights" *gets head chopped off* "errr... really badly?") I find myself wondering if that's the case.
They just wouldn't be so blatant about it with humans.

I have to agree. I think Vaughn is just an all around rapist.

[AntiChri5]

The difference is in Orlais that would happen in EVERY Origin. For the Noble Origin you would play the part of Vaughn. I hope none of us wanna play THAT game

[The Angry One]

What do you base that on?

The fact that some Chevalier are pompous a-holes doesn't mean they all are. By that logic since Howe and Vaughn are unrepentant jerkwit nobles, the human noble must be too.



I'm not saying giving Chevalier the right to do anything they like is a particularily good idea, as that tends to backfire by breeding pompousity and criminal behavior; but at least it's somewhat of a meritocracy unlike Vaughn who gets to do as he pleases because his daddy has a title.

[AntiChri5]

The more power you give people the more likely they are to abuse it. It is perfectly legal in Orlais for Chevaliers to rape peasants.Some Chevaliers would have inherited their positions, and when those sorts of rights stay in a family for a while...The only reason to go to a country where rape is legal is to change that fact. Any Chevalier who isnt resigning or desperatly trying to change things believes that is their right. Or just doesnt care.

[menasure]

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I'm curious to know why (from a RP perspective) you might be willing to sac yourself, so feel free to share your thoughts on why I'm wrong and vile and evil.  ;-)

no idea but i am dying to find out ... ok to be honest: the alternative is more horrible because if you dare to live then you will be called selfish as a warden in a topic with 1000+ replies on this forum ... seems like a cruel and unusual punishment

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/47/index/350273

Modifié par menasure, 17 décembre 2009 - 10:57 .

[Layn]

menasure wrote...

...
I'm curious to know why (from a RP perspective) you might be willing to sac yourself, so feel free to share your thoughts on why I'm wrong and vile and evil.  ;-)

no idea but i am dying to find out ... ok to be honest: the alternative is more horrible because if you dare to live then you will be called selfish as a warden in a topic with 1000+ replies on this forum ... seems like a cruel and unusual punishment

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/47/index/350273

*sits in a corner, rocking back and forth* it was so horrible, so horrible, i'm selfish, yes i'm selfish, i'm bad, bad crrash, bad, selfish.

[eschilde]

My answer to this question.. is for the same reason that Achilles chose to become a warrior and die young rather than living a long, happy life (well.. depending on how you hear the story told, anyway). Glory and an awesome funeral, and being remembered forever.



From an RP perspective, you can consider it the only right thing to do since it's the only proven way to permanently kill the archdemon.



From a gameplay perspective, I found the martyr ending to be the most touching.



To answer the OP, just because you don't like the current system doesn't mean the world isn't worth dying for. It'll never have a chance to progress if it keeps getting held back by darkspawn.. constant war tends to leave countries behind in technologies.

[sagefic]

doubledeviant wrote...

The human nobility is corrupt.

The dwarven social system is unjust.

The elves are a bitter and broken people.

Mages submit to a hypocritical church and live as its prisoners.

Why would you sacrifice yourself to preserve this status quo?

Hells, if you can't tear down these institutions, why not join up with the Archdemon and watch it all burn?  Or at the least head north to Orlais, let Ferelden fall, and force the Grey Wardens of Orlais to deal with the Blight?

Perhaps I'll make a mod called "Head North" that ends the game immediately following or perhaps even before the battle at Ostagar.  :-D

Perhaps Gaider's point is that it isn't worth sacrficing yourself and your friends/lovers for?  His characters who sacrifice moral principles or love for the sake of duty to kingdom or cause (Maric, Loghain, Rowan, others) live a life full of regret and pain.  Thoughts?

I'm nearing the end of the game and I have no motivation to sacrfice myself to save this world.  I've read that there are multiple endings including but not limited to self-sacrifice, so I'm hoping for a decent ending for my character.

I'm curious to know why (from a RP perspective) you might be willing to sac yourself, so feel free to share your thoughts on why I'm wrong and vile and evil.  ;-)

For a second, I really thought Morrigan wrote the post.  

Well heck, when you put it that way, I guess I should just make a couple of demon babies and help them burn it all with my fiery breath. 

I dunno. I guess saving the world is more entertaining that watching Oghren drink all the mead in the camp and light his farts on fire.

[Curlain]

Ah, you're only gonna die in 30yrs time down some dank, cold, dark Deep Road tunnel somwhere with some no-one darkspawn hurlock/genlock/shrike going nom-nom-nom on your femur anyway.



May as well go in style, die young and with glory, slaying in style, taking the Archdemon with you an getting a great funeral, celebration and parade in your honour (not to mention a special grave with likely statue beside the other chosen few of the Grey Wardens that ever other Warden will look up to.



Die young, in style, and have them tell glorious stories about you I say :-)

[tausra]

I'd rather be the well loved martyr than the unknown dead.  The world is flawed, and there's nothing you or anyone else can do to make it perfect.  Either you love life with all its flaws and would die to protect it, or you're just making it worse.

Modifié par tausra, 18 décembre 2009 - 12:05 .

[Ravenshrike]

Tassiaw wrote...  There's an ever-widening rift between the rich and poor.

This is something I've never understood. If the poor have greater purchasing power than they did when the 'rift' was closer, why does it matter that the rich are getting richer faster than the poor?

[Herr Uhl]

Ravenshrike wrote...

Tassiaw wrote... 
There's an ever-widening rift between the rich and poor.

This is something I've never understood. If the poor have greater purchasing power than they did when the 'rift' was closer, why does it matter that the rich are getting richer faster than the poor?

If there comes an recession, or a bad years harvest, it is a problem. Then prices are bound to skyrocket, which would lead to civil unrest.

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 18 décembre 2009 - 12:35 .

[Thyrza]

Akrim_Drak wrote...

And I sacrificed myself because I was just sick of dealing with everyone elses crap. Selfish reason for a selfless act. 

That's one good reason.  Also, there's peer pressure: what would the other Grey Wardens say if you didn't?
 
Actually, I think the most compelling reason is that Fereldon is probably the only world the PC has ever known.  The PC is used to its flaws and injustices so that while he/she might want to change some things about it, he/she probably doesn't want to tear it all down.

[ReubenLiew]

All the COOL Grey Wardens are doing it now, and you don't wanna look like a geek in front of the Cool Wardens, do you?

Go ahead and sacrifice yourself, they'll totally LOVE you for it!

[Layn]

Curlain wrote...

Ah, you're only gonna die in 30yrs time down some dank, cold, dark Deep Road tunnel somwhere with some no-one darkspawn hurlock/genlock/shrike going nom-nom-nom on your femur anyway.

the dwarves will remember you, how you slashed through a countless horde of darkspawn, helping them gain territory. how a sea of bloody darkspawn corpses are all that remain in your wake, as your blade, glistening with darkspawn blood, cuts easily and tirelessly through whatever you come across again and again and again, blood spraying everywhere.
*cough* yeah

[Astranagant]

Kinda hard to go following Morrigan like a lost puppy when you're dead.

[Bagenholt]

I couldn't trust anyone else but myself to rebuild the wardens, so it's either Alister or the bastard child.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Well, lets see...

Your going to die probably 30 years time at the latest, so why not now when you can get some SELFISH bragging rights (granted you'll be dead so you can't reap the accolade) as being the Warden whom ended the Blight.

You could be doing it for your clan (Dalish Elf)

Doing it to ensure your sister is safe (Dwarf Commoner)

Taking the trip as it means you can royally screw your brother over (Dwarf Noble) and then die doing something more heroic than what your alleged original destiny was going to take you too... (seeing as dwarf noble was doomed to walk the deep roads till he died just as much the normal warden would).

Ensuring that your friends and father are saved (City Elf)

Rest of your family is presumably dead so having got revenge against Howe, might as well go join them after one last heroic deed. (Human Noble)

Doing it just to ensure that the swamp witch doesn't get her old-god child.

Plenty of reasons...

[Ragadurn]

After all, I did the ritual to be with Leliana... weird, but I think she'll understand. I got her to accept her past, so that should work.

Perhaps I should have put Alistair on the throne and make Loghain a Warden and have him kill the Archdemon.

But that way Loghain would have been the hero and I hated him for allowing Howe to murder my family and for letting Duncan die.

So, Alistair became king and ruled with Anora and the Fereldans were happy with it. Hardened him after his quest. Made a fine king afterwards. I got to kill Loghain and the Archdemon and lived on to be with Leliana... a bit selfish perhaps.

But if that ritual goes wrong... well, we ended the Blight and faced Flemeth, a High Dragon, tons of Darkspawn... we can handle that as well.

And besides some turmoil with Harrowmont in Orzammar, I'm really happy with the ending I got.

Went to rebuild the Wardens together with Leliana and improved the situation for most people in Ferelden, my family got their lands back and so on.

No, I didn't want to sacrifice myself for Ferelden. But still, I cared for the country and wanted to improve it. And I wanted to survive the Blight to keep working on it and not to break Leliana's heart.

Taking everything into account, Dragon Age Origins didn't seem as dark as promised. I almost always knew which decision to make and how to find compromises to do it the "right" way.

Worked out with the Connor situation, worked out with the Dalish and so on.

Perhaps Loghain should have been imprisoned or something, but I didn't want to lose Alistair for sparing him. He deserved to fight against the blight till the end.

Modifié par Ragadurn, 18 décembre 2009 - 01:31 .