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[The Angry One]

Human Noble: You're a noble, you are a patriot by default. You die for Ferelden.

What, like Howe?

[andybuiadh]

The Angry One wrote...

Human Noble: You're a noble, you are a patriot by default. You die for Ferelden.

What, like Howe?

Ohhh, you went there!

[Whailor]

Heck only reason I sacrificed myself was to get the achievement, otherwise I never do it. What, am I some sort of an idiot that I'm going to let myself get zapped into oblivion for some "world", in my prime years of life? As far as I care I already did a service to the world by killing that archdemon, while that "world" wasn't worth it: killed my family (with human noble for example), all races have some petty grievances with each other, politics screw things around all the time, and so on. World owes to my char now a lot. But to sacrifice for it? Heck I must be crazier then Sandal then to do it.

[Ninjaphrog2.0]

I would not even sacrifice a buck for the sake of the real world...let alone a f***ed up place like Ferelden...absolutely if the option to JOIN the blight was available I'd pledge my loyalty to the Archdemon in a heartbeat...atleast in a Darkspawn ruled world everyone is equal...unlike Ferelden where the corrupt sick basterds are rich and powerful while the kind and friendly become bitter and depressed cause they're in the bottom of society. Even if it meant that I'd get slaughtered after the blight won...hey..atleast I had a larger chance of survival with the Darkspawn then the Fereldan nobility...they're the grotesque animals in this story, not the Darkspawn...humankind is the cancer...consider the blight the unknown cure.

[ejoslin]

I find it frustrating that when you die is the only time you really hear what happens to your companions. I agree that it makes no real sense for the PC to sacrifice herself -- it's not like Ferelden has given her so much that she should give back the ultimate price.

[Nokturnal Lex]

Wompoo wrote...

As far as I am concerned Wardens = fail as heroes. I also agree that humanity in this game deserves death and Duncan got what he deserved. The Dwarfs have been at war with the Dark Spawn for hundreds of years and no one came to their aid, and yet they are expected to drop their bundles and help one of the most pathetic race around, man. Wardens lie, manipulate, murder and in the end poison thousands in the name of sacrifice... there zealots and only worthy of contempt.

Yea I noticed that too. I was like WTF when i played my Dwarf Noble playthrough. (Killing my brother and enjoying it because he talked **** to me when I wanted to goto the Proving and yea supposedly I was betrayed by Bhelen but I wanted to kill Trian the minute I met him he was a douche all talkin down to me and ****.  I ended up siding with Bhelen and was like yo whateva bro I was gonna kill Trian anyway)

During the game I was like why the hell would the dwarves help humans and elves if they haven't done **** for the dwarves? Even though I was playing a semi-evil character in the end I did what was best for my peeps. I sacrificed Loghain, exectued Allistair for being a pansy, told morrigan to go **** herself and requested that the humans and elves stop being cowards and help the dwarves kill the darkspawn for good. Then went off on my merry way to slaughter as many darkspawn as possible in the deep roads. (In the hopes that there won't be anymore darkspawn in my DA2 game.... good god they're easy to kill and boring)

My character was exiled at the beginning of the game to kill darkspawn with nothing but armor and weapons he looted off his kills and ended up doing the same thing with just better loot at the end. Kinda annoyed that he was forced to join the gray wardens, he was perfectly content with killing darkspawn by himself in exile.

What happened to everyone else? 

Wynne had her head chopped off within 2 seconds of talking to her.
Zevran was killed for being a bad assassin.
Dog was killed out of mercy.
Leilanna went off to wander the world
Shale joined my character in killing darkspawn in the deep roads.
Sten went off to find some cake.
Oghren stayed topside to get crunk and laid.
And morrigan got pregnant from some drunk chasind and ended up in a trailer park.

Yea I like my characters ending.

Modifié par Nokturnal Lex, 20 décembre 2009 - 08:32 .

[ToJKa1]

I've had one of my characters sacrifice herself, the reasons being that Morrigan didn't reveal enough about the baby, leaving her and Alistair, and since Alistair was to be a king there really was no choice in the matter. Besides, dying is easy, living with the taint knowing what it'll do to you isn't.

[AntiChri5]

doubledeviant wrote...

Short of time again, but here's my offering for today:

AntiChri5 wrote...

Evil is not Grey. Grey is ambiguos. I feel they delivered on that. Being evil can be fun (still delighted over my first KotOR ending all those years ago) but you do realize that the Archdemon does not have freinds right? It has slaves. You don't HAVE to sacrifice yourself. Allistair volunteers and you can basically say "sure have fun!"

The Archdemon isn't an impersonal force of nature.  It is not, for example, an asteroid which upon collision will render the planet uninhabitable.  If it were, I might be more willing to allow for some of the Grey Wardens' actions.  Rather, the Archdemon is a living god, and the Darkspawn are a hostile invading force.  It is war, not natural disaster.

The assent of the Archdemon will irrevocably change the world but not end existence itself.  The Wardens are living proof that the Taint is not irreconcilable with continued existence.  Your primary sources of knowledge of the Archdemon are the Chantry and the Grey Wardens (its sworn enemies and thus unreliable for an objective analysis).

From a RP perspective, perhaps I'd rather serve the Old Gods than a Maker who's turned away from the world (and indeed damned it himself with the Blights according to the Chantry).  Or perhaps I serve for power?

Even Cthulu has his cults.

AntiChri5 wrote...

So basically you just want to be Evil Emperor Of The Universe What Is Awesome?

Sounds great to me!  ;-)

Original182 wrote...

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Points taken, but in the case of America, we *do* have something that we consider worth fighting and dying for (you might disagree with our belief, of course, but that doesn't alter the motivating force of that belief, and motivation is the subject at hand).  DA:O fails to involve the character with the aspects of Ferelden worth the sacrifice asked.  Birth in a nation does not equate to automatic patriotism.

tausra wrote...

I'm not saying that siding with the Carta is a bad option, but all Deviant is talking about is tearing down every institution. From the Chantry to the Dwarves, Elves and everywhere in between. For no reason other than they have flaws.

No, I'm talking about a character that is more willing to tear down what he hates than die to save it based on faith that "it'll be better in the future".

tausra wrote...

Well it isn't a sandbox game and it was never advertised as one. You bought the game knowing full well you will be playing a Grey Warden, end of story. If you want to be everything and anything sign up for an empty Bethesda game, where only the Mod community makes it playable.

Baldur's Gate II wasn't a sandbox, was it?  Yet I could RP a wide variety of characters.

YOU know full well that prior to playing we had no idea of what choices we would and wouldn't be able to make as a Grey Warden as the story progressed.

Also:  You've not played any Bethesda games?  Or you might know that:
- Morrowind is a great game.
- Morrowind has a well-crafted "grey" story.
- Morrowind, Oblivion, and Fallout 3 share the same flaw stressed by this thread (must be the hero, can't join Dagoth Ur, can't join the Enclave, etc), making your statement nonsensical.

andybuiadh wrote...
I've been avoiding this thread for that very reason. I decided not to attempt to dissuade the opinions of trolls, however.

But the trolls are hungry!  And it's your DUTY to feed them, like them or not!

Brilliant logic:  You don't agree with me, so I must be troll.  :-P

Just so we all know the Archdemon does have human servants. They are called ghouls and the first thing the get when they join up is free soul removal and frontal lobotomy. The Archedemon wants to kill you WAY to much for you to join it. Plus have you thought that maybe all these problems are ther simply so you can solve them? Would ne a rather quick game without them. Besides after readin codex entries on all the countries on Thedas and talking to people about them i have to say Ferelden is the best of the bunch.