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[Clammo]

ZeroMystic wrote...

One thing I want to mention is that anyone who has loading time problems or CLAIMS there is a memory leak, has either

1. Pirated their game
2. Digitally downloaded their game.

Far be it from me to suggest you're talking out of your arse - but you're talking out of your arse.

Of those complaining of loading time problems that are doing a damn fine impression of  a memory leak, a quick check would have told you most of them have the Dragon Age symbol near their username - showing they have a registered copy and aren't pirates.

Now speaking for myself I'm using a real physical copy of the game also which kinda blows your digital copy of the game theory out of the water - just because a problem is solved one way with one game doesn't mean it's the same problem with another.

[XWAU_Forceflow]

Well, I did neither pirate the game nor do I have a digital copy, yet I have encountered the loading problem numerous times. Interestingly though it does not always occur and it does not appear to be connected to playtime. Sometimes even playing for a short time will have that problem, and sometimes playing for a long time it does not occur again. Though looking back it does appear to get worse when often changing areas.

[Dark83]

XWAU_Forceflow wrote...
Interestingly though it does not always occur and it does not appear to be connected to playtime. Sometimes even playing for a short time will have that problem, and sometimes playing for a long time it does not occur again. Though looking back it does appear to get worse when often changing areas.

This is true. It's not a matter of playtime, but how many loaded areas there are. I suspect it may not be cleanly unloading areas when you leave them, so multiple visits will slow it down, while just wandering one map for a few hours wouldn't.

[Bibdy]

This thread (and the original petition) is built under the assumpion that Bioware has a massive texture pack of totally awesome textures sitting in a folder somewhere, and they're not releasing them out of spite.

That's just rude and childish.

Its okay for the developers to set aside a bunch of man hours, or worse, expected to devote their free time to creating a bunch of high-res textures for you to use, but its totally not okay to do it yourself. Typical.

Modifié par Bibdy, 21 décembre 2009 - 04:44 .

[Darth_Shizz]

Bibdy wrote...
Its okay for the developers to set aside a bunch of man hours, or worse, expected to devote their free time to creating a bunch of high-res textures for you to use, but its totally not okay to do it yourself. Typical.

But that's exactly what the OP of the original petition was doing, and has done for several games. The problem here is the files that he's having to work with. In order to make anything truly worthy of a "HD" title, he'd actually have to rebuild each texture from scratch. Now when you consider that there are some two thousand textures that would need to be rebuilt by one person, and the amount of time even one texture would take, surely you can understand why he'd like to see some slightly better textures released (especially after the original dev feedback)?

Modifié par Darth_Shizz, 21 décembre 2009 - 05:14 .

[4Aces]

Andreas Papathanasis wrote...

Just... wow, at all the speculation going on with this thread. It might be healthy to start throwing some facts in here.

The game contains two texture packs, the medium and high one. They both target specific video cards, the first target cards with 256 MB of memory and the other one 512 MB. The high resolution pack contains higher resolution textures mainly for characters and creatures. The environments don't (generally) have a higher detail version.
 

Thank you for oficially responding!.  Unfortunately what you said is wrong.  There are three texture Archives in this game.  The two mentioned above are just duplicates of each other, with the Medium being of lower quality for those with less RAM.  The other textures are all found in the /Core/Data/ (not /Textures/High or /Textures/Medium) in a file called Textures.erf.  These are the Core textures that are the problem.  There is no way that you can have a 1024^2 fully detailed Normal Map without a 1024^2 Texture to build it from, so please check with the Team Lead for Textures.

I will also point out that the core texutre pack does not duplicate any of the textures found in High/Medium, and has more textures in it than the arhives in High/Medium.

Modifié par 4Aces, 21 décembre 2009 - 05:21 .

[Bibdy]

I can see why he'd desperately need them if someone had a gun pointed to his head and he had to come out with an HD texture mod...I can't see the reason for his rudeness and presumption, otherwise.



If the game doesn't have these magical high-res textures anywhere, and it hasn't been released, who's to say they even exist? Why make an instantaneous leap to "Give me those textures! I know you have them sitting in a storage folder somewhere, you big jerks!"?

[MorseDenizen]

ZeroMystic wrote...

One thing I want to mention is that anyone who has loading time problems or CLAIMS there is a memory leak, has either

1. Pirated their game
2. Digitally downloaded their game.


Well some research proved that it turned out that every single person who reported the quote MEMORY LEAK ISSUE or whatever you want to call it, were either people who digitally downloaded the game, or pirated it.

Co-incidence, I think not.

As it's been proven that if something in fact was wrong with the game itself, then every single person who owns the game would all be having the same exact problems with it because a poll was taken and only the people who digitally downloaded or pirated the game were reporting this problem so the facts come from the people who were actually having the problem. How this was done is very simple, they made a poll of who had bought the game and who had digitally downloaded it, then later on after people forgotten about that poll, another was taken asking who was having memeory leak issues. Then they simply matched the names on the memory leak poll to the ones who had digitally downloaded it, every name matched from the memory leak poll to the digital download match And this pollw as taken on gamefaqs/gamespot, IGN.com and a few other places I cannot think of off the top of my head

One another factor that is very amusing is this:
Before this goes on people usually try to say that the company said something regarding their being a problem, but yet no one ever can seem to provide any OFFICIAL information from the company themselves.

FYI mate I have this memory leak particularly in certain areas of the game. which i wont name as they may be considered Spoilers.

I will say this>

1. I own the Hard Copy of my game, and have memory problems

My specs are as follows
Intel E8500 (duall core)
Asus P5Q 4x2GB Mushkin DDR2 (800)
Asus GTX275
Win 7 x64 Ultimate

2. I DIDNT pirate it. and I seriously doubt a lot of others did either considering the bonus for not doing that is pretty attactive (32euro to buy the game in greece a piracy stalwart)

Latest patches, driver updates, registry/disc fragmentaion and system stability on my system is tip top.

For my part i never said anything about official replies from Bioware or EA or anything, so please dont group everyone together.
There are those of us tho, who did have issues large or small, and would like to make them known or brought to the Dev's attention then wait for a patch to fix them.   didnt post to attack you or anything of the sort but i like to make my position clear on certain things when i see them
Regarding "if something in fact was wrong with the game itself, then every single
person who owns the game would all be having the same exact problems"
How many mobo, GPU, RAM manufacturer's are there out  there?
It is/or should be common knowledge to PC gamers especially that no game will ever perform the same for everyone exactly because almost everyone has a completely different setup in one way or another.

Try DA:O on Vista then XP then 7, both x86 and x64 and believe me the differences are glaring,
I sincerely doubt that everyone on the forum is using the same OS, and even if they were, a combination of OS patches, device drivers, attached devices (USB or other), registry/fragmentation condition
would have a massive impact on game performance and unexpected behaviour.

[Baalzie]

ZeroMystic wrote...

One thing I want to mention is that anyone who has loading time problems or CLAIMS there is a memory leak, has either

1. Pirated their game
2. Digitally downloaded their game.

The same exact thing that people are complaining about happening with Dragon Age Origins also had reported the same exact issue with Risen and a number of other games.

Well some research proved that it turned out that every single person who reported the quote MEMORY LEAK ISSUE or whatever you want to call it, were either people who digitally downloaded the game, or pirated it.

Co-incidence, I think not.

As it's been proven that if something in fact was wrong with the game itself, then every single person who owns the game would all be having the same exact problems with it because a poll was taken and only the people who digitally downloaded or pirated the game were reporting this problem so the facts come from the people who were actually having the problem. How this was done is very simple, they made a poll of who had bought the game and who had digitally downloaded it, then later on after people forgotten about that poll, another was taken asking who was having memeory leak issues. Then they simply matched the names on the memory leak poll to the ones who had digitally downloaded it, every name matched from the memory leak poll to the digital download match And this pollw as taken on gamefaqs/gamespot, IGN.com and a few other places I cannot think of off the top of my head

One another factor that is very amusing is this:
Before this goes on people usually try to say that the company said something regarding their being a problem, but yet no one ever can seem to provide any OFFICIAL information from the company themselves. When asked it always turns out to be someone posting information or a link to a 2nd or 3rd party site and or source, that says the company said there was a problem, never actually showing/providing a place that the company themselves said that from the companies mouth.

Uhm as You so pointedly stated about OTHERS information... 
Can You link to these scientificly correct polls please?
Or are You pulling words out of Your arse?
How dumb must someone be to complain about others not providing any proof, and yet do the same thing in the very same post with ALL the s.c. facts?

Don't just name where You think those polls were made, link to the actual polls, and where the proof of it's scientific correctness is.. Thank You!

Modifié par Baalzie, 21 décembre 2009 - 05:34 .

[whtnyte-raernst]

Baalzie wrote...
Or are You pulling words out of Your arse?

This is a well known fact, just over look and move on.

[4Aces]

@Andreas Papathanasis, you are a Senior Graphics Programmer at BioWare Corp. Did you work on DA:O?

How can you not undersatnd that those with more memory can handle memory leaks or even ignore them?  I have 8GB and run just fine, though it does slow down in areas where the memory leaks occur.  Thousands of other people are expereincing total crashes in those areas (typically playing with the minimal required 1GB of RAM). 

Reloading clears the issue for a short time, which strongly indicates memory leaks.  When you shut down the game the memory is cleared, and when you start it up again, the memory leak begins to fill up your RAM  Couple this with the fact that larger texture mods (increasing the 256^2 to proper 1024^2) results in textures turning black before a crash in those areas, proves that it is a memory leak.  This is a very common occurance that has happened in dozens of games, the most recent being Fallout 3.  When there is not enough RAM to load the texture it shows as the default (usually black, though it can be pink or gray). 

Now I know that you knew all this, but others are not as technical as we are. :innocent:

Modifié par 4Aces, 21 décembre 2009 - 05:50 .

[Bibdy]

I, too, would like to see this statistical data that proves, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that my loading times and corpse-looting-availability timers getting progressively worse are due to me pirating and/or digitally downloading a hard-copy DVD from Amazon.

[ZeroMystic]

You have no idea what your talking about Zero, and your wrong as usual of course. Leave the technical issues to professionals that have degrees in such matters.

I love how people ignore when sheer facts are presented and say someone is wrong even with facts justt o spite them...Amazing...simply amazing... I also love people that were not there telling you what you saw and were involved with...It really is incredible how people on this forum claim to have ESP.



Facts are unarguable against and it does not matter what anyone says.



Also notice how someone only says I'm wrong but doesn't provide any solid facts or research from anywhere...only that I'm wrong....AWESOME!

[ZeroMystic]

Why does everyone on this site have a severe reading comprehension problem. I said exactly where these polls were.
 Even after all the information is presented people still ask where the info is.
All of you need to stop being complete illiterate douche bags, learn to read, and GO TO THE SITES I SAID THEY WERE ON IN AND LOOK IT UP.

Just exactly how illiterate and lazy are all of you jack asses. Seriously none of you ever read anything that anyone says then all you do is ****** and moan someone needs to prove themselves and it's all because you people do not apparently know how to read.

Modifié par ZeroMystic, 21 décembre 2009 - 05:57 .

[Bullets McDeath]

How many times are you going to call everyone else on this site illiterate before you realize we all understand each other just fine, and you are the one who has a problem?



Also, I'd love for you to define what a memory leak is and what causes it.

[kalniel]

I have not pirated the game, and have the physical disc version.

After some time of playing, my loading times suddenly shoot up.

I'm not sure this is a memory leak, because mem usage appears to be fairly flat line at around 2.1gb for everything (windows 7, 3gb ram installed).

I do think the environment textures are a little low res for a 2009 game, but I'm happy that the system requirements are so low, and Bioware have concentrated on gameplay rather than cutting edge graphics. Besides, the artwork is amazing.

Running 8x high quality AF helps a lot with environment textures as well.

Modifié par kalniel, 21 décembre 2009 - 05:59 .

[ZeroMystic]

I'd love for you to admit you are wrong and do not read which i have already proven 3 times.

[Bullets McDeath]

I'd love for you to blow a donkey on the Sally Jesse Raphael show. I suppose we should get used to disappointment, eh? What did you prove exactly? That you're an illiterate jackass and I'm the only person on the site thickheaded enough to constine insulting you? Instead of just ignoring you like all the people who have something better to do.

[Bibdy]

ZeroMystic wrote...

Why does everyone on this site have a severe reading comprehension problem. I said exactly where these polls were.
 Even after all the information is presented people still ask where the info is.
All of you need to stop being complete illiterate douche bags, learn to read, and GO TO THE SITES I SAID THEY WERE ON IN AND LOOK IT UP.

Just exactly how illiterate and lazy are all of you jack asses. Seriously none of you ever read anything that anyone says then all you do is ****** and moan someone needs to prove themselves and it's all because you people do not apparently know how to read.

Because I want to see you prove that my hard-copy DVD at home I bought from Amazon is a pirated copy or I magically digitally downloaded a physical object.

If you're going to accuse me of something like that, I want to see you provide the proof. I'm not going to go out of my own way to acknowledge your ****tery.

[Dark83]

I for one totally missed Zero's post on the matter, but it doesn't matter because it's irrelevant - since we know for a fact that hard copies of the game also have the same progressive load time issue. I'd think that repeating stupidity when it's proven wrong is pretty stupid, no?

[dwwilson57]

Hey ZeroMystic, baby, King-o'-Logic,

You said:

One thing I want to mention is that anyone who has loading time problems or CLAIMS there is a memory leak, has either

1. Pirated their game
2. Digitally downloaded their game.

Well.  I don't have a pirated version and I didn't get a digital download, but I'm having the loading times problem.

THEREFORE it is not the case that:

anyone who has loading time problems or CLAIMS there is a memory leak, has either

1. Pirated their game
2. Digitally downloaded their game.

AND THEREFORE what you said is not a true statement.  You are wrong.

(edited for prettiness)

Modifié par dwwilson57, 21 décembre 2009 - 06:10 .

[ZeroMystic]

There is no memory leak at all and a problem with the game affects everyone that has it because it's in the game not your system. If there was then explain why I myself along with other people that have various rigs and systems with graphics cards are not having problems either

This is my set up
AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5600+
2.8GHz
3 GB RAM
NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GTX+
Operating System: Windows Vista 32 bit Home Premium Service Pack 2

This set up has absolutely no problems with any games others CLAIM there is a problem with.
I even switched my graphics card from a PNY Nvidia GeForce 9800 GTX+ to an Nvidia geforce GTX 260
I have used bot XP and Vista on my syetm with all my games.....Again no problems.

Sorry but the fact that I have no problems anyone is describing with this set up and neither does any of the other 150 people that have various set ups as well.. Proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is nothing wrong with the game. Because basic fact is that if in fact the problem is in the game itself then that problem affects everyone not just a specific group of people because the problem would be inside the game not the hardware or system it's on or gets put on a problem in the coding or pressing or copying the disk on mass production does not ignore specific computers and act differently on others.

Sorry but no one is seriously going to say there is a problem with the game if me along with others are not havin problems with it. It's like people saying there is a problem with a certain model car that only gets affected when a specific gas is put into it....

It's clear that the problem is between the comp and the chair and no one likes that but too bad People here need to stop ignoring facts.

Modifié par ZeroMystic, 21 décembre 2009 - 06:12 .

[Statue]

If just one person has the memory leak issue and is not using either a pirated copy or a digitally downloaded copy, then logically the statement that "everyone having the memory leak issue has either a pirated copy or a digitally downloaded copy" is false.

Is there such a person? Yes. There's a few in this thread, plenty in other threads. I don't think we can safely assume they're all lying to disprove a theory either.

EDIT: Damn, beaten to it while typing by dwwilson's post a couple up

Modifié par Statue, 21 décembre 2009 - 06:13 .

[dwwilson57]

ZeroMystic wrote...

Proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is nothing wrong with the game.

Again a problem that is inside the gmae itself affects everyone not just a specific group of people because the problem would beinside the game not the hardware or system it's on.

Can't say there is a problem with the game if me along with others are not having problems.

problem is between the comp and the chair

False. Example: Some people don't have shale show up at the epilogue and some do.  Problem inside the game that is not manifesting for all users. 

Can't say there isn't a problem with the game if me along with others are having problems.  (see what I did thar?)

[Bullets McDeath]

Mystic, the problem is between your brain and your mouth. If you understood even the most basic basic principles of PC architecture, you would know that no software on Earth runs the same way on two different machines. Is the crux of your theory really "I don't have this problem, therefore it does not exist"?? Did you come up with that yourself or do you have a team of monkeys working around the clock on this sh*t?

Modifié par outlaworacle, 21 décembre 2009 - 06:14 .