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[Dee-Jay]

So, I really loved Dragon Age and let it own me completely for over a week. I played through the game, staying up until 9 AM once. So I really enjoyed it and think it's a great game. While it was hard, and frustrating at some points, overall it was a great game.

However, looking back I can't help but feel a little let down when looking at the plot. It was somehow, just a little bit to straight  forward and lacked a twist before the final. I mean the side-plots were great, the characters were great and there was a lot of love and detail in the world. I also know one could read up a lot in the books about the lore, but tbh....I don't take 2 min reading breaks while playing an immersive game.

After all, in a nutshell the plot is:
-Demonic Evil Force rises - no real reason given, besides that it's a reoccuring event and what the intro says.
-Main character is drafted into an elite "Anti-Evil Force" - Hello Mass Effect, anyone?
-Main Character has to reunite the races - Plot devides here, with every race having their own story.
-Main Character must end the civial war - Lorghain is dealt with, his motives for his deeds seem a little unsatisfying.
-With the nation united you fight the drakspawn and end the blight by killing the archdemon.


I'm still not quite sure I'm getting my point across. I just felt that it was lacking a twist. After uniting the tribes, the plot is just too straight forward to the end. We knew from a very early stage in that the Dragon was the Archdemon and killing it would end the blight.
We didn't know why Loghain betrayed his king early in the game, but when dealing with him, there is no revealing twist. Loghain really just is a selfish person.
If you think the fact that a Grey Warden must sacrifice himself or the Ritual Morrigain offers you an epic twist, then meh. The Grey Warden thing was predictable due to the Grey Warden Motto and Morrigains Ritual really didn't have a big effect on the outcome.

Comparing it with Mass Effect there was just a lot more build up and tension towards the finale. While Dragon Age is still the overall better game, when it comes to story telling, it falls a little short, in my opinion anyway.

[Bhatair]

Why would need a twist? Not all tales have to have a twist in the end.

There were more than enough 'twists' on the road to the finale anyway, in my opinion.

[Herr Uhl]

Damn M Night Shyamalan, making us used to twists by the end of things!



I do share the opinion that the game lacks a real "ooomph" climax.

[ReubenLiew]

*shakes fists at mr. Shamalayan*

[Bhatair]

The Archdemon is a plant!

[The Angry One]

Let me rummage around my Bag O' Plot Twists.



- It turns out Loghain is actually Rowan, out for revenge against her late philandering husband (it turns out Cailan is the son of an Orlesian hairstylist).

- Duncan died at Ostagar but he got better. Unfortunately he was kidnapped by another survivor of Sten's scout party, who took him back to Seheyron to start an anti-Qun movement thinking Duncan is the mighty God of Beards.

- Teagan lacks ambition to ascend to his brother's title or the throne because he is in fact the Sex Emperor of the Universe, all other titles are invalid.

[Bhatair]

The Angry One wrote...


- Duncan died at Ostagar but he got better.

I've been coughing up a storm lately. Must have been that bad case of death I just got over.

[Viglin]

Um...did you like...ever talk to well...ANYONE?

Read a Codex?



Next time...dont zoom thru, take your time, and maybe youll find out how much you missed out on.

[Viglin]

The Angry One wrote...

Let me rummage around my Bag O' Plot Twists.


- Duncan died at Ostagar but he got better. Unfortunately he was kidnapped by another survivor of Sten's scout party, who took him back to Seheyron to start an anti-Qun movement thinking Duncan is the mighty God of Beards.
^^^^That is true.,...theres even an instance when he visists your camp.....lve seen screenshots!!!!


- Teagan lacks ambition to ascend to his brother's title or the throne because he is in fact the Sex Emperor of the Universe, all other titles are invalid
^^^ Tiger Woods would debate this.

[bobsmyuncle]

This might sound funny, but the lack of a twist was, for me, a twist.



I've played every Bioware RPG so this time I was trying to figure out early which companion was going to turn me in to Loghain or the darkspawn or what have you. It turns out nobody does. They'll leave if you ****** them off but nobody turns to the dark side.



I agree that Fantasy Plot #7: Gather Allies and Defeat the Rise of an Ancient Evil which Nobody Believes in but You and Your Party Members isn't anything new, but the fresh coat of paint is what makes me like it.



I like where the company is headed with DA and Mass Effect. Yeah, the tropes and cliches aren't always hidden well, but the lore is a lot of fun, the characters are good, and they're trying new things.

[Nosuchluck]

I liked the story but I admit it was a bit flat. You pretty much knew what was going to happen from the start. There was definatly plot twists and surprises but I feel as if the story just needed something extra to make it really good. I suppose half the problem was there was no real bad guy with a personality. Loghain had a cool voice actor and all but you only could really interact with him at the landsmeet.

At the end of the day I always felt as if I was just running about trying to clear up problems Loghain had caused without ever really striking any blows until the landmeet.

Modifié par Nosuchluck, 17 décembre 2009 - 07:20 .

[Nosuchluck]

Double post

Modifié par Nosuchluck, 17 décembre 2009 - 07:18 .

[bobsmyuncle]

The Angry One wrote...
- Duncan died at Ostagar but he got better. Unfortunately he was kidnapped by another survivor of Sten's scout party, who took him back to Seheyron to start an anti-Qun movement thinking Duncan is the mighty God of Beards.
- Teagan lacks ambition to ascend to his brother's title or the throne because he is in fact the Sex Emperor of the Universe, all other titles are invalid.

Neither of these are plot "twists." #1 is a perfectly natural reaction to The Beard. You know how all the Qunari are bare faced? Duncan will show them the way to Beardliness.

#2 is simply a given fact.

[Herr Uhl]

bobsmyuncle wrote...
Neither of these are plot "twists." #1 is a perfectly natural reaction to The Beard. You know how all the Qunari are bare faced? Duncan will show them the way to Beardliness.

Tremble in fear the day they discover the awesome power of the goatee.

[Dee-Jay]

Viglin wrote...

Um...did you like...ever talk to well...ANYONE?
Read a Codex?

Next time...dont zoom thru, take your time, and maybe youll find out how much you missed out on.

I talked to a lot of people, sometimes mutiple times, always trying to explore all dialog opportunities.

As for Codsexes, no! Call me out if you like, but I don't like having to read all the lore when playing a very immersive game. I flew over some Codexes, but I belong to the large margin of players that won't play a game so they get to read about 20 pages of lore. If I want to read, I'll open a real book. You don't pause a movie either, just so you can read up every background detail as it goes along.
Imagine somebody pausing Lord of the Rings when they first encounter the elves, just to give you a brief history of the elven races.


I mean, sure you can sit here and make fun of my point and just be blinded fanboys. But i can tell you, if you were watching a TV Series, with 21 episodes, and the overall plot was layed out in the first 5 episodes, with very few twists following, it wouldn't make a great series.

Modifié par Dee-Jay, 17 décembre 2009 - 07:30 .

[Maconbar]

I wish that DA:O had a really great plot twist like the one used in the Kevin Costner movie "No Way Out".

[Herr Uhl]

Dee-Jay wrote...
I mean, sure you can sit here and make fun of my point and just be blinded fanboys. But i can tell you, if you were watching a TV Series, with 21 episodes, and the overall plot was layed out in the first 5 episodes, with very few twists following, it wouldn't make a great series.

Yes the plot is pretty clichéd. But I still would prefer it to a TV-series that just says that what they thought was wrong at every turn, yes I'm looking at you Lost.

But I agree, the middle and beginning of the game is the most enjoyable. It kind of fizzles out somehow towards he ending, when all you've got to do is to kill the big bad and it's army.

[bobsmyuncle]

Herr Uhl wrote...

bobsmyuncle wrote...
Neither of these are plot "twists." #1 is a perfectly natural reaction to The Beard. You know how all the Qunari are bare faced? Duncan will show them the way to Beardliness.

Tremble in fear the day they discover the awesome power of the goatee.

Victory is not in the Qun. Victory is in the Beard.

[Viglin]

Dee-Jay wrote...

Viglin wrote...

Um...did you like...ever talk to well...ANYONE?
Read a Codex?

Next time...dont zoom thru, take your time, and maybe youll find out how much you missed out on.

I talked to a lot of people, sometimes mutiple times, always trying to explore all dialog opportunities.

As for Codsexes, no! Call me out if you like, but I don't like having to read all the lore when playing a very immersive game. I flew over some Codexes, but I belong to the large margin of players that won't play a game so they get to read about 20 pages of lore. If I want to read, I'll open a real book. You don't pause a movie either, just so you can read up every background detail as it goes along.
Imagine somebody pausing Lord of the Rings when they first encounter the elves, just to give you a brief history of the elven races.


I mean, sure you can sit here and make fun of my point and just be blinded fanboys. But i can tell you, if you were watching a TV Series, with 21 episodes, and the overall plot was layed out in the first 5 episodes, with very few twists following, it wouldn't make a great series.

And this...if why you dont know very much about the game, its world and people.
And what margin of people...FPSers?

And yes, if lm getting myself involved in something larhe and immense...l damn well want as much information at hand as possible to handle the situation/s.

Its like reading a book...and skipping every second page.

What you wanted is there, or not there...but you dont know the whys for this very reason.

[mopotter]

 I feel like a grumpy old lady and I probably am. I am disappointed,

I love the game. I love the interaction with the other characters, the voice acting and the story. But I HATE with capital letters the fact that in order for both wardens to survive your female has to send her lover to have sex with a beautiful woman.  

If I'm playing a guy, then great. I'll go have sex with the beautiful women to survive, but my female mage would much prefer to kill her and do the stupid ritual myself.

This drives me nuts. Once in a while I want a nice romantic happy ending and in order to ride off into the sunset with my gray warden lover, I have to send him to witch girl and I have to leave the room, literally. (my husband laughs at me). I just can not fathom what the writers were thinking (or thinking with) when they did this.

I was looking forward to playing DA in the mornings and ME2 in the evenings for the next few years. Looks like as soon as ME2 comes out I'll be spending my time with Shepard and her crew at least until someone comes up with a mod that fixes this thorn in my heart.

[Kohaku]

Bhatair wrote...

The Angry One wrote...


- Duncan died at Ostagar but he got better.

I've been coughing up a storm lately. Must have been that bad case of death I just got over.

I just can't stop laughing. Damn the both of you.

[Kohaku]

mopotter wrote...

 I feel like a grumpy old lady and I probably am. I am disappointed,

I love the game. I love the interaction with the other characters, the voice acting and the story. But I HATE with capital letters the fact that in order for both wardens to survive your female has to send her lover to have sex with a beautiful woman.  

If I'm playing a guy, then great. I'll go have sex with the beautiful women to survive, but my female mage would much prefer to kill her and do the stupid ritual myself.

This drives me nuts. Once in a while I want a nice romantic happy ending and in order to ride off into the sunset with my gray warden lover, I have to send him to witch girl and I have to leave the room, literally. (my husband laughs at me). I just can not fathom what the writers were thinking (or thinking with) when they did this.

I was looking forward to playing DA in the mornings and ME2 in the evenings for the next few years. Looks like as soon as ME2 comes out I'll be spending my time with Shepard and her crew at least until someone comes up with a mod that fixes this thorn in my heart.

There's a whole group of girls here that agree with you. Do a search on Alistair and you'll find them.

[Taleroth]

Those girls are mad, I say. MAD

[Herr Uhl]

Taleroth wrote...

Those girls are mad, I say. MAD

Yes, go with the gay elf or Frenchie if you want happy!

[Squiggles1334]

mopotter wrote...

This drives me nuts. Once in a while I want a nice romantic happy ending and in order to ride off into the sunset with my gray warden lover, I have to send him to witch girl and I have to leave the room, literally. (my husband laughs at me). I just can not fathom what the writers were thinking (or thinking with) when they did this.

If David Gaider is to be believed, they must have been thinking especially about players like you.

Dee-Jay wrote...
Codsexes