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[nicethugbert]

High score can mean that I'm stripping the defenses and a quarter of the health off targets and you're hiding behind me using your high powered sniper rifle to get the kill in one shot.

High score can mean that you are spawn bombing with grenades and rockets, especially during objective rounds when the enemies spawn endlessly until the objective is complete.

The powers and weapons in this game are not an even playing field.

Modifié par nicethugbert, 21 juillet 2012 - 11:21 .

[grpm]

I just was in a match and the host's N7 Rank was like 6500+ and he was using a Destroyer, I got grabbed by a banshee and the rest of the team died at wave 9 except him (the host), he was running around while the banshee followed him but he wasn't killing anything, I was hopping he would use one of his rockets, but guess what, he got killed by a cannibal and the game was over, really? It was wave 9!!! He didn't even use a freaking medigel in the whole match, what a piece of ****. That's why I don't trust the N7 Rank.

[Dharvy]

 My 2 cents. 

After reading all the post I would say I'm surprised but this is how human behavior works, most people no matter how smart or intelligent (and there are some intelligently written post) seems to lack understanding.

First, I agree with the OP in that N7 does matter, along with the score. What so many seem to fail to grasp is there's always going to be exceptions. That low level N7 but is really good, or that high level N7 that is really bad. I simply liken it like the PSP or SP where you buy it for a chance at that UR, its random but with a percentage involved. A good low level N7 is like getting that UR from the PSP but most of the time it seems to be simple CC (or ammo packs,) you know that not so good player. I've play mostly with randoms and N7 less than about 200s are rather, for the most part with a few exceptions, rather annoying. And as the N7 rises, the likelyhood or chance of better players, better teamwork, better understanding of the game mechanics also seems to rise, again with some exceptions. 

I would say this, that there is a strong likelyhood of there being more bad players at low N7 than their are at higher N7. It doesn't matter if there is a few good players sprinkled among the low N7 or if there is a few bad players among the higher N7. A high N7 most likely means a high amount of play time and experience (please stop giving exceptions they don't matter). The larger playerbase of low N7 can mean noob, inexperience player, someone not to familiar with MP or a player that don't want to promote, but regardless because low N7 have the noob, lack of experience playersbase in their numbers they are going to be more likely, on average, to be less optimal at the game than the higher N7 which has more skilled experience players in a much smaller pool.

Again it is kinda random, but N7 does matter to a point. You are essentially gambling and picking the best odds. And if picking the best odds matter, than N7 matters. It doesn't matter if the best player is N7 240 and the worst player is N7 24,000. N7 is not a direct correlation or indicator of skill of each and every player, it matters in that its a number that helps us guestimate the match's outcome and if we are willing to take said chance.

Also I top the score with support classes, while giving support. A justicar with defense bubble. A SE with a decoy. A GE with a fully specced heal turret. No a support class probably won't get in the top against a heavy damage dealing class that is understandable but usually the best player that game is the one that topped the score board. Again, maybe a few exceptions.

TL;DR 
N7 is not a direct correlation or indicator of skill of each and every player, it matters in that its a number that helps us guestimate the match's outcome and if we are willing to take said chance. 

[TempoGTR]

My N7 has been 120 since around March 20. And it always will be. I prefer to keep all single player endings available. As someone else said, after N7 120, it generally means nothing. At any point beyond that a player could just choose not to promote.

Generally, more time spent playing (aka N7 rating) means more experience with the game, but there are clear exceptions.

However, when someone brags about "leading the score" in order to make themselves look good or to defend a class, it means absolutely nothing. Any class can take the top score. It's all about the quality of the player and what role their filling. Period.

[ToaOrka]

High N7 Rating is like having a 50 in Halo 3 or an Onyx in Halo Reach: It is required to be good, but having it doesn't make you good.

[Bergioynn]

N7 means nothing. For all you know, that N7 2800 that just joined your lobby grinded all of that on bronze, and dies on wave 1 of silver or above. Only thing high N7 means is a) person promotes often and they have obscene amounts of time and/or money at their disposal.

[Dharvy]

Bergioynn wrote...

N7 means nothing. For all you know, that N7 2800 that just joined your lobby grinded all of that on bronze, and dies on wave 1 of silver or above. Only thing high N7 means is a) person promotes often and they have obscene amounts of time and/or money at their disposal.

While that could be true, there's more likely that a high N7 player have experience and is a decent player. And with a larger playerbase of low N7 it is also more likely that low level N7 player lacks experience.

To me, it seems like a simple probability game.  Say there's 3 levels of players. Bad (new, inexperience, or unskilled in game), Decent (experienced mid range skill), and Good (experience, skillful, top tier.) There's a higher chance and probably more Bad players in the low N7 pool simply because of more new players in said pool, than there would be in the mid to high N7 pool of players, meaning that the mid to high N7 would result in a higher chance of getting the Decent, Good player. And the only way to gauge the probability is by way of N7 scores. So it means something. But N7 is not a direct correlation or indicator of skill of each and every player, it matters in that its a number that helps us guestimate the match's outcome and if we are willing to take said chance. 

[Buzykill]

Dharvy, you are correct. Nobody can argue on that answer. People, read it.

Sadly the N7 rating is the only gauge we have to value a player when he/she joins the room.

[Bergioynn]

Dharvy wrote...

Bergioynn wrote...

N7 means nothing. For all you know, that N7 2800 that just joined your lobby grinded all of that on bronze, and dies on wave 1 of silver or above. Only thing high N7 means is a) person promotes often and they have obscene amounts of time and/or money at their disposal.

While that could be true, there's more likely that a high N7 player have experience and is a decent player. And with a larger playerbase of low N7 it is also more likely that low level N7 player lacks experience.

To me, it seems like a simple probability game.  Say there's 3 levels of players. Bad (new, inexperience, or unskilled in game), Decent (experienced mid range skill), and Good (experience, skillful, top tier.) There's a higher chance and probably more Bad players in the low N7 pool simply because of more new players in said pool, than there would be in the mid to high N7 pool of players, meaning that the mid to high N7 would result in a higher chance of getting the Decent, Good player. And the only way to gauge the probability is by way of N7 scores. So it means something. But N7 is not a direct correlation or indicator of skill of each and every player, it matters in that its a number that helps us guestimate the match's outcome and if we are willing to take said chance. 

True, nothing was too strong a word. It certainly doesn't mean as much as OP is saying it does though.

[Oz not Ozzy]

FirroSeranel wrote...

But 99% of the time, if someone scored really high, it's because they absolutely kicked ass on that match.

FirroSeranel wrote...

But in general, probably at least 70% of the time, the scoreboard lines up pretty closely to the N7 ratings...

Modifié par Oz not Ozzy, 21 juillet 2012 - 02:25 .

[Buzykill]

Perfect comment there, Oz

[Poison_Berrie]

Bravo Oz. Bravo!

Also I've played Gold matches in which the double digit N7 could hold his/her own quite well and I've encountered N7's higher than mine who struggled through Silver.

[Computron2000]

Buzykill wrote...

Dharvy, you are correct. Nobody can argue on that answer. People, read it.

Sadly the N7 rating is the only gauge we have to value a player when he/she joins the room.

No. The gauge is the weapons, mods and gear used

[KalilKareem]

To bad you brought N7 rating into this OP. You are correct about score, claims about "support role" and " crowd control"are just rationalizations for ****ty performance.

Seeing as you are above 1k N7 and still dont have your rares maxed makes yourself living evidence that N7 rating is not even a valid indicator of time spent in challenging content. I am a pretty awful player, I only play an hour here and there when work and family permits. But I play gold and platinum only ( no not fbwgg, thanks for asking) so ofc I have all rares maxed. You play silver, or so your manifest leads us to believe.

[xenacrocker]

I agree with the OP. I think N7 rating and scoreboard are rough and imperfect indicators of probable performance on someone you don't know. So they are more important for me on pug matches. They also make me more tolerant for someone who isn't doing so well but is willing to listen to feedback for the next round.
If you play with friends I think the issue changes. The scoreboard has it uses, I usually look at my score to asses how I was playing and whether my tactics/build/loadout were effective. If i'm in range of everyone else I know I'm on target (regardless of where I am in the order). If I am much lower I know I need to change things around b/c I wasn't pulling my weight on the team.

[jabber27]

Anyone with an N7 level under 2000 i don't assume to be a great player. I look at their loadout and can usually tell before playing (not always). I've met quite a few folks with n7 around 300 who are great players. I've extracted on Platinum with some of them.

I also happen to be just over n7 300 but I used to be in the top 1500 globally on the xbox so my N7 level doesn't quite match my level of experience.

Modifié par jabber27, 21 juillet 2012 - 04:04 .

[SierraGHOSTN7]

Well, not really, but I see your points guys.
I know that officially the N7 ranking doesn't matter. It's just given for promoting characters and leveling them up.
I have seen people with high xxxx N7 ranks that sucked. But I also seen people with such high ranks who just pwned everyone, no matter how good they were, you seen the skills, the weapons, the goodies they had. You seen their experience. How they played their characters and different classes, that they weren't n00bs, they knew every detail about their characters and they turned everything to their advantage.

I don't complain, I'm not high ranked member as well. I'm almost 400 N7. I'm not a n00b but I'm not a great player. Till now I played Vanguards only, but then I found love for Shadow. Now I got Slayer and I try to find a good style for it too. But I'm more a Vanguard person.
I personally hate suicide vanguards that die every 5 seconds. I had such player lately. He was xxxx N7 ranked vanguard lvl19/20 and he died every 5 seconds. I revived him and some seconds later he died again. I was like 'dafuq? really?'.

But on the other side, I have been playing with a guy who had N7 under 100, bah, even under 50. He had like 43 when we started playing, we played like 3-4 Silver matches and he ended up 47.
He was playing great, better than much higher ranks. We had this xxxx N7 ranked guy and he was the last. Once we played against Reapers and I got raped by the Banshee, she took me by suprise from behind when I was fighting Brute. Then two other guys died shortly after that. That small guy remained, he was playing Sentinel human lvl17 if I remember right. It took him a while but managed to kill the remaining enemies, it was ravager, brute and some maraduers and then the banshee. He did great job.
To those matches, we had great teamwork. We really played as team. Was great experience, so easy and fun.

[Buzykill]

Computron2000 wrote...

Buzykill wrote...

Dharvy, you are correct. Nobody can argue on that answer. People, read it.

Sadly the N7 rating is the only gauge we have to value a player when he/she joins the room.

No. The gauge is the weapons, mods and gear used

That is not fully accurate either.
I have beaten a guy using GI + GPS with AV using Mantis and Phalanx. I'd say my gear was worse.. Of course you got a point, using good weapons and gear usually tells that someone knows what he/she is doing. Well i have used Widow with AJ in random silver round and scored first. It don't make me a bad player according to my bad weapon choice.

I just try to trust on people no matter their N7/Gear.

[Omega2079]

Oz not Ozzy wrote...

FirroSeranel wrote...

But 99% of the time, if someone scored really high, it's because they absolutely kicked ass on that match.

FirroSeranel wrote...

But in general, probably at least 70% of the time, the scoreboard lines up pretty closely to the N7 ratings...

Op has admitted all statistics used are intuition based.

Modifié par Omega2079, 21 juillet 2012 - 07:47 .

[Archonsg]

Think most people are missing the OP'S point, N7 score does not equate skill but does project TIME SPENT in game.


That, logically, if a player spend that much time leveling up characters, he or she can't be a total noob.





I agree with this.





On the flip side, there are people lije me. I have a rather high N7 score. The reason, because I do not want to use the respec card and thus actually get that one more chance of a UR wirh another rare/uncommon taking up that slot that would otherwise gained me a respec card if I used one.





Also, I'll be frank in that I am an "older" person with wife and kids in high school. So, my twitch response isn't what it used to be so I took my time in Bronze and now in Silver with a rare Gold match every now and then.





Does that make me a "sucky" player? I hope not, since I do usually dominate and/or contribute to a team's success in Bronze, have been instrumental in more then a few Silver runs when my team mates ate sync kills or just didn't want to use rockets or gel. Do I think I can do Gold like it is a walk in the park? Gods no. Have I done gold successfully? Yes with a good team. Did I contribute? I hoped so.





N7 score does matter if you want to a measure of time spent in game. Equipment matters because in the hands of an experienced player it's a dominating factor. Simply put, you see a high N7 with a Typhoon X and a guy with N7120 and an Avenger VII, who do you think will dominate just looking at their Rank and Equipment.





That is what the OP is saying. N7 is not a surefire way, but it sure is definitely a good guide.

[Seneva]

Hah hah hah.

My missus never promotes (only when we have an event), has all chars and all uncommon/rare maxed. All consumables maxed and quite a few UR's. Low N7, probably around 200.

First match on platinum she gets 2 kick icons. Needless to say she never got the 3rd kick icon, we just both readied up
We both played adept, 1 primes and the other detonates. We shredded the mobs. Full extraction ftw.

N7 rank is meaningless, score is just for e-peen value.
Weapon and loadout shows what type of player you'll have in your lobby.

[KalilKareem]

Archonsg wrote...

Think most people are missing the OP'S point, N7 score does not equate skill but does project TIME SPENT in game.

Gah. No. We are not missing his point. His point is incorrect. N7 DOES NOT reflect time spent in game in any relevant way. It ONLY reflects time spent levelling characters. This may be 90% of your time in game, or 1% of your time in game. In fact many (I am inclined to guess most, but can't back that with figures) players that are serious about their game do not promote often if at all.

Hence N7 is an absolutely worthless metric of time spent in game. The only thing it CAN tell you is if someone is completely fresh (like 120 and below), but as soon as the N7 hits 250~ish the player has all characters at 20, and has possibly been around for the promotion weekends as well. So, the N7 will indicate preference towards promoting rather than actual play time.

Also; until last patch N7 could be bought for money. Excellent metric of game experience those dollers heh?

[Tipsyfresh]

Arppis wrote...

FirroSeranel wrote...



The amount of experience you have, since to promote enough characters to get into the four-digit range through playing takes hundreds (thousands?) of matches.

Wrong already there.

Yea sorry firro someone could camp out white/geth/gold with level 1 characters or some variation of that and skyrocket up the n7 charts.  I figured this out once I realized these 4 digit n7 dudes couldn't play any gold but white geth.

[bondiboy]

A lot of my friends are very good players so I know I am not going to post a great score relative. These are the games I enjoy most ..I don't feel that I 'suck" at the game .I just think that I have a lot to learn.