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[d1st4nt]

FirroSeranel wrote...

*laughs* Yes, N7 only indicates how much you promote. Which indicates one of three things:

The amount of experience you have, since to promote enough characters to get into the four-digit range through playing takes hundreds (thousands?) of matches.

The amount and quality of gear you have, since in either playing that many matches, or spending that much money to promote that many characters through pure store XP, you -do- have a nice collection of gear by the four-digits.

That you're a complete moron, and really, really, REALLY enjoy playing games you truly suck at for hundreds and hundreds of hours. This last is facetious and only very, very rarely might actually happen.

So I still hold, that at the VERY least, someone in the four-digit range is at least going to have a solid grasp of tactics, decent aim, an understanding of how to set up and detonate combos, solid gear, weaponry, and expendables, and -probably- at least a basic instinctive understanding of spawn control, even if they don't explicitly comprehend it.

To people like theillusiveman11 who say "N7 doesn't indicate anything besides how much someone promotes," my only response, after a groan and a facepalm, is to wonder if his version of the game lets him just gleefully click the promote button as often as he wants for free. 'cause mine doesn't. I had to earn every. Single. Promotion. So did everybody else. That means I have experience, and gear. Period.

And yes, LennethValkryie, I admit, the snapshot score of a single match isn't a death-knell soothsaying about your skill as a player. A much better player -will- drive the others' scores down, because there are only so many points to be had in a match of a given difficulty. So what? Did you have a point? I'm talking about a bigger picture. I know I'm a good Gold player, because on a PUG, I will have the highest score about 90% of the time. In my guild, I'll have the highest score about 60% of the time. I know I'm a solid member of the team in Platinum, because while I rarely have the highest score, I've never been dead last yet either. I haven't not topped a Bronze or Silver in a long, long time in a PUG, and at least 90% of the time, I'm either double anyone else's score, or else me and one other good player are around triple the other two.

Back when my N7 rating was in the high triple-digits, I could have said the same, only bumped down one difficulty for each statement. Back when I was in the low triple-digits, and Silver was a challenge, I knew perfectly well that Gold was not a place I truly belonged. If I joined one, and didn't get kicked, I was grateful to be there and at least tried not to drag the team down, but I had no delusions of being the badass of the bunch.

I'm not entirely disagreeing with you but there are those of us who just tire of promoting.  I've been playing nothing but Gold for about 2 months (and no, not just FBWGG)... my N7 rating isn't even 400.  I top most of the scoreboards of the matches I'm in... I just think promoting is without reward, and therefore pointless/lacking motivation to do so.  I can't imagine I'm the only person who feels that way.

[d1st4nt]

KalilKareem wrote...

To bad you brought N7 rating into this OP. You are correct about score, claims about "support role" and " crowd control"are just rationalizations for ****ty performance.

Seeing as you are above 1k N7 and still dont have your rares maxed makes yourself living evidence that N7 rating is not even a valid indicator of time spent in challenging content. I am a pretty awful player, I only play an hour here and there when work and family permits. But I play gold and platinum only ( no not fbwgg, thanks for asking) so ofc I have all rares maxed. You play silver, or so your manifest leads us to believe.

Disagreed.  There are numerous times I will strip a banshees barrier and 50-75% of her armor since I'm holding down a single chokepoint and performing CC for the main bottleneck, and none of my teammates have even had the opportunity to take a shot.  Someone will land the killing damage as I call in for cover fire, I get an 800pt assist, they get a 1500pt kill.  So no, the scoring mechanics in this game are horrid.

Explained best this way... when you score 100k in a Platinum match with a gold kill medal, gold weapon kills, and a silver assist medal, and I score 90k with gold kill, gold assist, gold grab, gold revive, gold tech kills, gold weapon kills... I'd argue that I played a hell of a lot better support class than you can ever claim you tanked.

[DnVill]

doesn't really matter.

Play the game as best as you can without worrying about your score and you'll end up on top. I know I usually do.

When someone worries about his score usually they tend to get aggressive to get the kills and end up making mistakes that'll down him or the rest of the team.

[Sevrun]

I'll admit, I get a little concerned when I see a 200> N7 ranking because these people typically have less experience with the game. TYPICALLY being the key word. I check their loadouts, and consider how I'll draw in the slack should they not be able to handle the difficulty selected (typically Gold/Platinum)

I very rarely vote to kick someone (had a lvl 1 Soldier with an Avenger II join a Platinum match... HAD to go.) but you occasionally have to do what's best for the team. Sometimes that means a person gets their feelings hurt when they're kicked. It happens. We live, and move on.

[N7L4D]

No it doesn't matter, funny story, I as a 120 joined a platinum game, and had my headset on, I usually don't say much unless the guys on my team are chill cool guys, anyways I heard the guy asking the others if they should kick me, because I'm 120, so then I told them its cool guys, I just don't like promoting, don't see the need and I've been playing me3 since realease, they took my word for it and we got 7 extractions in row, had a blast they even added me as a friend, I'm just saying n7 rank doesn't matter

[Lajkos]

Omega2079 wrote...

xp is shared, so your n7 rank could be built entirely from quality, top-tier gold performance, or worst-of-the-worst leaching on bronze. That's why N7 rank means little, esp. above 120.

[wymm666]

played for months, only promoted characters once so to reset powers. -- and then getting kicked out of every gold match for being >lvl15.

[Huttj509]

Summary of all views:

N7 and Score do matter, but not to the extent some (many?) claim they do.

High N7 indicates a lot of time spent in game. Low N7 does not indicate little time spent in game. Excessively low N7 (sub 120) can indicate lack of breadth in character experience.

High score indicates damage output and killing enemies, which is useful. Lower score does not indicate lack of damage output or uselessness. Excessively low score (sub-20k in gold+) can indicate lack of output, either from bad play, or missing synergies, etc. (every time you try to snipe a guy my Shadow just stabbed him. Sorry bout that.).

If I beat you by 10k points, that doesn't mean much. If I beat you by 90k points, that probably means something, but judging what it means requires more context.

Now playing with my brother? We'll trash talk each other over a 3k difference in score, because we know we don't actually mean anything by it.

[Matiasvidi]

n7 means a lot. I normally just /rage at -120 ratings entering my gold lobbies, because they almost always play level 15 classes, no equipmente and an avenger VII. Of course, once you're past the 250 or so rating, you can't tell much out of rating. I am about to get to 300 myself, and I usually outscore everyone on my team wether it's silver, for leveling, or gold, for the bigger challenge. But then, there comes the time when a lower n7 beats the crap out of you, and you just have to take it there's not much of a difference between n7 300 and the higher ratings.

Now score does mean a lot, especially when you see that dude who scores half of your own. But I don't usually pay a lot of attention to it, if the team is working and doing what it is supposed to, then score doesn't matter. When it's not, someone is screwing up.

[d1st4nt]

Huttj509 wrote...

If I beat you by 10k points, that doesn't mean much. If I beat you by 90k points, that probably means something, but judging what it means requires more context.

Now playing with my brother? We'll trash talk each other over a 3k difference in score, because we know we don't actually mean anything by it.

Agreed on the 10k points... I just though the claim that "oh I was doing CC" was a poor excuse for ****** playing was a bit much since the game is odd about when it decides to appropriately give out assit vs. kill points.

And my brothers and I generally trashtalk over 100 pts so I feel you there

[mrs_anomaly]

Dokteur Kill wrote...

I have seen so many four digit N7's play absolute arse, so no, N7 rating doesn't say squat.

It's a joke among my friends that the higher the N7 the more they suck. What do you have to prove that you boost your N7 so often, so much etc. If one were to tell me "well I played a few SP campaigns and need assets maxxed out" yeah I'd believe you and give you a thumbs up . If you have no answer than "I wanted a higher epeen N7" uh..yeah whatever that isn't skill involved whatsoever. Character cards and also the preference to respec a character are other reasons why an N7 gets boosted.  

As far as score - I mostly agree. Around BSN most people say "support classes shouldn't score highest and if you do you SUCK". That's BS. I'm not going to say as a support player you need to score within 10k of the top score, I'm just saying, you either suck, had a bad match, don't know how to play your class, or really suck. Hell, maybe you don't suck and you just suck compared to the other three it could be that. 

[IBPROFEN]

Disciple888 wrote...

I've played with 5 digit N7s that were terrible. I've also played with low N7s that are good (Bahroo, Paladin, etc.) At the end of the day though, as the OP says, low N7 generally means terrible player, especially in PUGs.

 I haven't seen any 5digit N7 since the 2nd ban wave so maybe that why they were terrible.  

[thetruth604]

At the end of the day everybody is going to have their own opinion. My N7 rating is 278 or 279 and i could care less if the higher n7 guys kick me or not or if i play with a lower level n7 guy or not because at the end of the day i play the game for fun. (Im also a pretty average player) completing gold often.

[bondiboy]

DnVill wrote...

doesn't really matter.

Play the game as best as you can without worrying about your score and you'll end up on top. I know I usually do.

When someone worries about his score usually they tend to get aggressive to get the kills and end up making mistakes that'll down him or the rest of the team.

How true. Been in a few random games where team has wiped early because players are playing for personal glory and not as a team. Annoying when you are having to revive players constantly and they are happy to let you bleed out or are trying to get a few more kills and miss extraction.

[Dharvy]

Simply put the low N7 (about <200) could have some of the best players to ever play the game, but the fact that it also have a lot of new, inexperience, unskilled, and just bad players diluting the gaming pool means that you have a good chance of getting a terribad player in a PUG with a low N7 score.

Likewise mid to high N7 (about 200-XXXX) could have some of the worst players to ever play the game, but the fact that it also have skilled, experienced players, filling up their gaming pool means that you have a better chance of getting a good player in a PUG with a mid to high N7 score.

N7 don't equate to bad or good its just gives a higher chance of bad or good in a random pool of players. Just like the store's PSP have a chance of getting URs versus getting CC/Ammo. Its all random but N7 matters (as well as weapon loadout/levels) because it helps you guesstimate the match before you spend time/consumables.

Of course score matters but it only really tell who's the better player, THAT MATCH, if the person got a score substantially higher than the rest of the team.

[AgentStark]

N7 ranks dont matter at all. Someone with N7 20 playing this game for three months on the same character can have level X weapons fully unlocked and can be better than his or her whole team. Now adays, we just put up the N7 to say we've gone from beginning to end this many times with better toys. It doesn't mean we did it right though. What really should matter is the number of extractions, revives, kills, objectives, and failures that the player has experienced. You have no right to underestimate someone simply because their N7 rank is lower. You may be extremely surprised someday.

But I've noticed that a few people have taken note that now adays full extractions are not possible due to the self interest of players.

Bioware made this a game for a team. A squad where people synergize and bring down the enemy together, through biotic explosions, tech bursts, fire explosions, and of course, collective firepower.

I feel like Im writing a speach...

Modifié par AgentStark, 22 juillet 2012 - 05:42 .

[Ulrich282]

The only time it's safe to assume someone is bad is when their character level is under 20 and the same as their N7 rank.

[Father Superior]

I'm not going to bother reading through the 8 pages of posts consisting of "Hurr durr, I saw one high N7 score low in one game, that means they're all bad and N7 means nothing, but score doesn't mean anything because someone could be doing things for the team that don't give points". Thank you for saying it OP, glad to see that there are some people who actually can grasp the concept that N7 doesn't necessarily correlate to skill, but it is a d*mn good indicator when waiting in the lobby.

[Sdrol117]

 top score with an eagle. I must be good. And so is my weapon. 

[Radwar]

I only have a n7 of 360 and finish 1st on gold most of the time (I have been playing since the release of ME3) I just don't respec my classes unless I really need to (Bioware weekend challenges). I seriously don't see the point otherwise. Personally when I see someone with a N7 of 3000+, what that tells me is that person really needs a life.

[dirty console peasant]

score, yes most of the time (setting up explosions for others to detonate, does not yield many points) N7, no past 120 it really does not matter, my N7 is 360 because most of the time I do not promote, that does not mean that I usually have difficulty on Gold with a decent team to back me up.

[sharif227]

i have yet to play with someone who has a n7 rating double mine (which is 533) that has done much better than me most of them that i meet are missle glitchers who like to get down on wave 2.... so i believe that n7 rating means nothing but i agree with you about the score and i don't at the same time more so i agree i have friends who do the objectives like the indoctrination boosters they get 50 assist and 15 revives and people want to kick them because they didnt do "good"

[sharif227]

Sdrol117 wrote...

 top score with an eagle. I must be good. And so is my weapon. 

trying to give youre topic some fame?

[Borothir]

Honestly, my N7 has no reflection on me. I'm 409 right now, but realistically I'd be in the 600's if I'd promote more. Seriously, the N7 (to a certain degree) doesn't accurately reflect the player. That obviously isn't always the case.