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[The Eruptionist]

Tirranek wrote...

I'd say it has some masterful moments, relatively speaking of course, since we're talking about games. Mordin, Tali finding home, Grunts almost last stand, all the shoutouts from previous games, it was a unique experience for me, and one of my favourites.

I think there is a general consensus (even among detractors) that Rannoch and Tuchnuka were definitely brilliant moments as well as other aspects of the game such as Martin Sheen's voice acting (as The Illusive Man) and the soundtrack. Even haters of the game usually acknowledge these as positive aspects.

But there are intricacies in the ending which I found to be among the strongest moments in the game. Having Shepard injured and boderline dead in the final scene of his/ her journey worked really well and then having those last few moments of defiance and resolve as Shepard walked towards destroy, ran towards synthesis, or grabbed hold of control was unbelievably well orchestrated. Seeing Shep slowly limping towards the tube whilst shooting it and then standing straight and walking with purpose and strength combined with the flashbacks of loved ones and the music (oh God the music!) is something that will always stick in my head.

The Catalyst and the story of the Reapers also contains brilliant aspects but I won't go into that here.

[RavenEyry]

john_sheparrd wrote...
It's just a masterpiece because of Me 1 and Me 2 the characters we met, the conflicts(genophage etc.)

What's that got to do with EC?

[Baronesa]

No... this game is far from a masterpiece.

Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 are masterpieces, Planescape: Torment is a masterpiece.

System Shock 2, Homeworld... those are masterpieces.

[AngryFrozenWater]

ME3 Post EC? But we haven't seen anything post EC yet. As far as I am concerned we are right in the middle of that abomination.

In their infinite wisdom the writers have tried to make the EC as vague as possible to allow various interpretations, but there is no way out if you don't swallow the brat's sick reasoning, unless you want to commit genocide.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 18 juillet 2012 - 12:07 .

[circe]

It's epic moments in a sea of mediocrity. Perhaps standing completely on its own, it's an amazing game but viewed in conjunction with the other two games and all the promises of what it could have been, ME3 is simply mediocre, even more when you factor in the ending. The funny thing is, I think if it weren't for the ending, I might have overlooked the rest of the flaws of the game and been firmly on the "OMG ME3 is the gest game ever!" bandwagon. I was until I encountered the joy that was the vanilla ending.

[Kamfrenchie]

Dendio1 wrote...

Kamfrenchie wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Ah, another one of these threads.

And to answer your topic, no ME3 isn't a masterpiece.

It's an okay game, not great, not fantastic. If anything it is mediocre.

Yea the ONLY ONE of these threads surrounded by those threads (forums is playing 1000 ways to dislike mass effect).

I'll stand by the OP
My initial run of mass effect 3 was breathtaking and amazing until the endings. EC makes the endings much better. I'm happy to consider ME3 a masterpiece. Mass effect series as a whole is a masterpiece. I'm sad to see it go

a masterpiece ? with horrible antagonists (kai leng, stupid TIM, mute harbinger), EMS not mattering much ? Thessia's terrible boss fight ? hyper linear gameplay and corridors ? being forcd to bargain with a genocidal kid ?


Fallout 1 is a mastepiece, the baldur's gate serie also is. Mass effect 3 doesn't do anything well enoug to deserve such a title, at last I don't see how

There was a great thread way back when that listed every single "problem" with the game and admitted that if the endings were good none of it would have mattered. Most people agreed

the problems would still be there. But yeah there would be much less outcry. But you see, problems and flaws magnify each other. I ten to think each player has a certain limit or treshold  of problems he can willingly ignore, but once you completely break the limit, all of th problems will feel frustrating to the player.

That said, the crucible is still bad writing, cerberu too, and kai leng is the worst antagonist in history

[Zoonz]

First game I played that has bored me, played through twice before EC, started a 3rd, boring, the journal was sheer tedium as were the fetch quests, and team mates who in 2 would stick with you through thick and thin suddenly having more important things to do!! finished the 3rd runthrough as fast as possible to see the EC and the clarity of the destroy ending....where?

[Rhayak]

The Angry One wrote...
Yes, because blind praise is so much better. <_<
Also, science fiction is a nitpicky genre. Deal with it.

We had many occasions to exchange motivations. For both my praise and your despise.
If you call it blind.... i don't know what else to say. Were you recently shot in the face with the MIB neuralizer?

No of course you wouldn't remember O_O

Yes, sci-fi is more subject to nitpicking than other things, expecially when it's setting elaborates heavily on it's own science like mass effect does.
And I AM dealing with it. By opposing some damn positivity.

[Cyberarmy]

Rhayak wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
Yes, because blind praise is so much better. <_<
Also, science fiction is a nitpicky genre. Deal with it.

We had many occasions to exchange motivations. For both my praise and your despise.
If you call it blind.... i don't know what else to say. Were you recently shot in the face with the MIB neuralizer?

No of course you wouldn't remember O_O

Yes, sci-fi is more subject to nitpicking than other things, expecially when it's setting elaborates heavily on it's own science like mass effect does.
And I AM dealing with it. By opposing some damn positivity.

Wait a minute,if you are opposing positivy then you are against OP?
Speculations for everyone!

Oh on topic; Sorry its not a masterpiece, its just wasted potantial...

[jijeebo]

I'd say masterpiece is a strong word because of things like underwhelming ME2 squadmate cameos and too many *point, click, asset* quests.

But it's still bloody brilliant, especially after the EC, so I'd agree with you there. xD

[Rhayak]

Cyberarmy wrote...

Wait a minute,if you are opposing positivy then you are against OP?
Speculations for everyone!

Oh on topic; Sorry its not a masterpiece, its just wasted potantial...

I still have no idea what this OP is. Nor that Singularity thing bashers seem to love nearly as much as the Zha'til.

[Ranger Jack Walker]

If you feel it's a masterpiece, good for you. Don't let anyone else's hostile attitude change your opinions.

[Victia]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Ah, another one of these threads.

And to answer your topic, no ME3 isn't a masterpiece.

It's an okay game, not great, not fantastic. If anything it is mediocre.

I cant improve on this so just quoting.

[clarkusdarkus]

it's the worst of the 3 for me as at least with the first 2 games the endings didnt suck. Each to there own tho

[Jamie9]

I loved (and still love) Mass Effect 3. It was much more enjoyable than ME1 but less so than ME2.

The ending IMO was improved with the EC (my biggest problem was the copy/paste in each ending and that was fixed).

[D1ck1e]

It could have been.

[Isichar]

Victia wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Ah, another one of these threads.

And to answer your topic, no ME3 isn't a masterpiece.

It's an okay game, not great, not fantastic. If anything it is mediocre.

I cant improve on this so just quoting.

[BDelacroix]

I am glad you are pleased but I can't join you in the masterpiece opinion.

[Slayer299]

No. 1 - ME3 was in no way a masterpiece and 2 - post-DLC would be pretty much pointless since Shep is a) a Reaper, Catalyst 2.0 or c) buried under rubble (maybe alive/maybe dead). Playing as someone else would be stupid.

[Tirranek]

The Eruptionist wrote...

Tirranek wrote...

I'd say it has some masterful moments, relatively speaking of course, since we're talking about games. Mordin, Tali finding home, Grunts almost last stand, all the shoutouts from previous games, it was a unique experience for me, and one of my favourites.

I think there is a general consensus (even among detractors) that Rannoch and Tuchnuka were definitely brilliant moments as well as other aspects of the game such as Martin Sheen's voice acting (as The Illusive Man) and the soundtrack. Even haters of the game usually acknowledge these as positive aspects.

But there are intricacies in the ending which I found to be among the strongest moments in the game. Having Shepard injured and boderline dead in the final scene of his/ her journey worked really well and then having those last few moments of defiance and resolve as Shepard walked towards destroy, ran towards synthesis, or grabbed hold of control was unbelievably well orchestrated. Seeing Shep slowly limping towards the tube whilst shooting it and then standing straight and walking with purpose and strength combined with the flashbacks of loved ones and the music (oh God the music!) is something that will always stick in my head.

The Catalyst and the story of the Reapers also contains brilliant aspects but I won't go into that here.

I agree I thought those moments were very powerful ones. The thing that irks me about the Catalyst scene is that I think its logic is close to believable, but the argument it makes is way too limited. The idea that advanced civilizations will inevitably create something that destroys them isn't all that far-fetched in my opinion. The more powerful a people get, the more equipped they are to do something truly disastrous. The catalyst in a way presents this argument, but it's limited to 'dem robots' which makes it seem a bit 

Annnnnyhoo, I also thought the goodbye conversations were very well done. There's a genuine sense of tension and for me anyway, I pretty much resigned myself to an 'everyone is going to die' sort of scenario. Of course, you're actually spared this unless you pick refuse, but that's a hugely selfish shoot yourself in the head ending anyway.

Modifié par Tirranek, 18 juillet 2012 - 04:00 .

[JeffZero]

Yes, it's the best game in the trilogy. However, ME1 and ME2 are damn close.

[Tritium315]

It was better but still makes **** all sense.

[Fireblader70]

Gotta admit, OP, you have guts posting this on the BSN.

I don't think it's a masterpiece, but it is equal to the others. Nothing is a masterpiece in my book... not even this so-called 'Shakespeare', with his rubbish character development.

[JeffZero]

Fireblader70 wrote...

Gotta admit, OP, you have guts posting this on the BSN.

I don't think it's a masterpiece, but it is equal to the others. Nothing is a masterpiece in my book... not even this so-called 'Shakespeare', with his rubbish character development.

Haha, I agree with you.

[squee365]

Any hyperbolic statement about ME3 is ludicrous.

"ME3 IS THE BEST EVER...MASTERPIECE!" is ridiculous

but so is

"ME3 IS THE WORST EVER, RUINED MY LIFE! I HATE BIOWARE"

ME3 is a decent game and a decent end to a trilogy.