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[MegaSovereign]

I thought it was a great game, but it had its flaws. I certainly wouldn't call it a masterpiece.

[Baa Baa]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Actually, everything that doesn't have Mac Walters fingers in it is a masterpiece.

Too bad his fingers ruined the entire pie.

The entire ****ing pie.

I couldn't help myself, this totally reminded me of this

Modifié par Baa Baa, 18 juillet 2012 - 06:50 .

[D24O]

MegaSovereign wrote...

I thought it was a great game, but it had its flaws. I certainly wouldn't call it a masterpiece.

[revo76]

Yep, 95 percent of the game was epic. But the remaining 5 percent sucked soooo deep that i cant even play whole franchise anymore. And yes, this didnt change after EC, the slideshow DLC. 

Comparing %95 and %5 is like comparing 50,000 soldier with a nuclear bomb. You can have 50.000 soldier but 1 tactical nuke can wipe them out, numbers are irrelevant against quality.

[KotorEffect3]

I knew the OP would get attacked for having a positive opinion of the game.

[JeffZero]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

I knew the OP would get attacked for having a positive opinion of the game.

The thread's doing alright, really, as far as BSN post-3/06/12 is concerned. A lot of people are agreeing that it at least isn't downright bad. We're starting to head into more neutral territory around here, very slowly but somewhat surely.

[KotorEffect3]

JeffZero wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

I knew the OP would get attacked for having a positive opinion of the game.

The thread's doing alright, really, as far as BSN post-3/06/12 is concerned. A lot of people are agreeing that it at least isn't downright bad. We're starting to head into more neutral territory around here, very slowly but somewhat surely.

The place has settled down a bit since the EC but BSN had a terrible reputation even before ME 3 ending controversy.

[wantedman dan]

john_sheparrd wrote...

Edit: It's just a masterpiece because of Me 1 and Me 2 the characters we met, the conflicts(genophage etc.)
It is a wonderful conclusion, so nobody'S with me??

The main betrayals of the narrative still exist. They, however, have only been "clarified" to eliminate some--by all means not all--gaps in logic.

It's akin to seeing a totaled car with blurry natural vision--only to get glasses and come back three months later to a still-totaled car with a new paint job and clearer vision.

Modifié par wantedman dan, 18 juillet 2012 - 07:13 .

[MegaSovereign]

JeffZero wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

I knew the OP would get attacked for having a positive opinion of the game.

The thread's doing alright, really, as far as BSN post-3/06/12 is concerned. A lot of people are agreeing that it at least isn't downright bad. We're starting to head into more neutral territory around here, very slowly but somewhat surely.

03/06/12 Shall forever be known as D-day.

[KotorEffect3]

MegaSovereign wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

I knew the OP would get attacked for having a positive opinion of the game.

The thread's doing alright, really, as far as BSN post-3/06/12 is concerned. A lot of people are agreeing that it at least isn't downright bad. We're starting to head into more neutral territory around here, very slowly but somewhat surely.

03/06/12 Shall forever be known as D-day.

I don't know if I would say that but it has demonstrated that there are some gamers that can never be happy no matter what you do.

[MegaSovereign]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

I knew the OP would get attacked for having a positive opinion of the game.

The thread's doing alright, really, as far as BSN post-3/06/12 is concerned. A lot of people are agreeing that it at least isn't downright bad. We're starting to head into more neutral territory around here, very slowly but somewhat surely.

03/06/12 Shall forever be known as D-day.

I don't know if I would say that but it has demonstrated that there are some gamers that can never be happy no matter what you do.

The concerns were legitimate. And I thought the retake-movement, for the most part, was quite mature about it.

Post-EC? I don't know. I think the the people that are screaming "ME3 is complete garbage" are full of themselves.

[KotorEffect3]

MegaSovereign wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

I knew the OP would get attacked for having a positive opinion of the game.

The thread's doing alright, really, as far as BSN post-3/06/12 is concerned. A lot of people are agreeing that it at least isn't downright bad. We're starting to head into more neutral territory around here, very slowly but somewhat surely.

03/06/12 Shall forever be known as D-day.

I don't know if I would say that but it has demonstrated that there are some gamers that can never be happy no matter what you do.

The concerns were legitimate. And I thought the retake-movement, for the most part, was quite mature about it.

Post-EC? I don't know. I think the the people that are screaming "ME3 is complete garbage" are full of themselves.

People that had legit concerns about the orignal endings (which I wasn't crazy about though people for some reason think I loved them) have either accepted the EC or they have moved on with their lives.  People that still hate the game 4 1/2 months post release and are still screaming about it can't be taken seriously at this point.

[Vox Draco]

The game itself was nice, fun even to play, the ending pre-eC sucked heavily, the ending after EC sucks even more, because now even teh faint hope of any kind of worthy climatic ending to the series is gone, and destroy-breathe.scene, don't get me started...

To each his/her own opinion, I beg to differ from the OP, and "masterwork" is way over the top, especialyl if you look at the whole trilogy and the many story-flaws that become more and more apparent when you take of the rosey-glasses...

[Tritium315]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Agreed OP......ME3 capped off quite an Epic saga, in an Epic way

Epic is one word for it.

[Alamar2078]

IMHO it's a little too linear, a little too much auto dialog, StarBrat & his logic doesn't get a proper in-game buildup, etc. to qualify as a masterpiece.

Obviously if you grade with different scales & priorities it can certainly be a masterpiece to you.

[txgoldrush]

Post EC, this game IS A MASTERPIECE.

And the haters are either ignorant or just didn't get it.

The ending is fine, you just did not get it. It was never really about organics vs synthetics.

And not everything has to be explained...ambiguity is okay.

Hell, I think ME1 and ME2 are overrated...they too have problems.

ME1 - weak character development, plot developments pulled out of thin air such as tali's evidence, the Cipher, and Vigil...which the data file being a Deus Ex....Matriarch Benezia being worthless (Kai Leng is a far better villian than she is, and he is worthless), side quests do not connect with the main plot and is a plot hole in temselves.

ME2 - weak main plot, opens on a very unnecessary space magicy Deus Ex, comes down to doing errands for everyone to get "loyalty" because they couldn't impliment it in the main plot, the collector abduction is set up in the most contrived idiotic way, post game continuity errors.

[wantedman dan]

txgoldrush wrote...

Post EC, this game IS A MASTERPIECE.

And the haters are either ignorant or just didn't get it.

The ending is fine, you just did not get it. It was never really about organics vs synthetics.

And not everything has to be explained...ambiguity is okay.

Hell, I think ME1 and ME2 are overrated...they too have problems.

ME1 - weak character development, plot developments pulled out of thin air such as tali's evidence, the Cipher, and Vigil...which the data file being a Deus Ex....Matriarch Benezia being worthless (Kai Leng is a far better villian than she is, and he is worthless), side quests do not connect with the main plot and is a plot hole in temselves.

ME2 - weak main plot, opens on a very unnecessary space magicy Deus Ex, comes down to doing errands for everyone to get "loyalty" because they couldn't impliment it in the main plot, the collector abduction is set up in the most contrived idiotic way, post game continuity errors.

Can't tell if trolling or serious...

[Taboo]

wantedman dan wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Post EC, this game IS A MASTERPIECE.

And the haters are either ignorant or just didn't get it.

The ending is fine, you just did not get it. It was never really about organics vs synthetics.

And not everything has to be explained...ambiguity is okay.

Hell, I think ME1 and ME2 are overrated...they too have problems.

ME1 - weak character development, plot developments pulled out of thin air such as tali's evidence, the Cipher, and Vigil...which the data file being a Deus Ex....Matriarch Benezia being worthless (Kai Leng is a far better villian than she is, and he is worthless), side quests do not connect with the main plot and is a plot hole in temselves.

ME2 - weak main plot, opens on a very unnecessary space magicy Deus Ex, comes down to doing errands for everyone to get "loyalty" because they couldn't impliment it in the main plot, the collector abduction is set up in the most contrived idiotic way, post game continuity errors.

Can't tell if trolling or serious...

I believe it's the latter.

[txgoldrush]

Alamar2078 wrote...

IMHO it's a little too linear, a little too much auto dialog, StarBrat & his logic doesn't get a proper in-game buildup, etc. to qualify as a masterpiece.

Obviously if you grade with different scales & priorities it can certainly be a masterpiece to you.

Yes he does, see Reaper on Rannoch, who stated Rannoch war as an example to keep the cycle going.

Autodialogue >>>>>>>>>. the unnatural wooden dialogue of ME1. Many moments in ME1 come close to "whats a paladin?" moments.

[txgoldrush]

wantedman dan wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Post EC, this game IS A MASTERPIECE.

And the haters are either ignorant or just didn't get it.

The ending is fine, you just did not get it. It was never really about organics vs synthetics.

And not everything has to be explained...ambiguity is okay.

Hell, I think ME1 and ME2 are overrated...they too have problems.

ME1 - weak character development, plot developments pulled out of thin air such as tali's evidence, the Cipher, and Vigil...which the data file being a Deus Ex....Matriarch Benezia being worthless (Kai Leng is a far better villian than she is, and he is worthless), side quests do not connect with the main plot and is a plot hole in temselves.

ME2 - weak main plot, opens on a very unnecessary space magicy Deus Ex, comes down to doing errands for everyone to get "loyalty" because they couldn't impliment it in the main plot, the collector abduction is set up in the most contrived idiotic way, post game continuity errors.

Can't tell if trolling or serious...

Oh did I break the whine fest of the haters? And ****** on the past games holy name?

[wantedman dan]

txgoldrush wrote...

Oh did I break the whine fest of the haters? And ****** on the past games holy name?

No, you simply posted an incoherent rant laced with ad hominem and inconsistency.

[txgoldrush]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

The ending is fine, you just did not get it.

I got it fine. It was still bad.

If you didn't get that it was a classic Deus Ex Machina subverted....you didn't get it.

If you didn't get that the conflict was about methods, not motives, than you didn't get it.

[txgoldrush]

wantedman dan wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Oh did I break the whine fest of the haters? And ****** on the past games holy name?

No, you simply posted an incoherent rant laced with ad hominem and inconsistency.

No, I simply countered all the whines and called out the clear flaws of the first two.

[xsdob]

I liked the game a lot but it's not a masterpiece, hell none of the mass effect or dragon age games are a masterpiece, yeah I said it, they're not.

In my opinion no game has come out that is a masterpiece as of yet, as in it has almost no flaws at all and is brilliant in all it's aspects and has almost universal appeal.

Such a game has yet to come into being, there are bad games, horrible games, okay games, good games, brilliant games, and that's it, nothing has yet reached the level of masterpiece.

Modifié par xsdob, 18 juillet 2012 - 07:59 .