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[Pain Train]

Vuduu wrote...

Thank you all so much for the positive comments. It's incredibly rewarding to know that other people are making this their headcanon as well!

Also, I'm going to start putting together a list of things to update for V3.0 of the Hero Ending. So far here's what I have:

(1) Smoother musical transition between the scene with Shepard and Anderson and the scene with the Crucible charging to fire. Two different pieces of music mesh together and some folks can hear the transition. This is a tricky one to fix because I can't separate the music from sound effects. I'll either need to make a whole new audio track or find a better way to blend them together.

(2) Get Urdnot Wrex off the memorial wall!

(3) Someone pointed out that in the scene with the Geth and the Quarians, the Geth in the background still has a green eye light. Damn him!!! Gotta fix that.

(4) A more surprised "Shepard!" from Liara at the end. I'll see if I can find one.

Let me know what else you think should be updated!

-Vuduu (Neurocat2K)

As I mentioned just above, my only suggestion to the current version would be to change the voice
at the end to Joker rather than Liara, so that people don't
complain about ' the wrong love interest' and such. Joker seems like the best choice as he never goes on a mission that would allow him to die.
Thus, ANY ending outcome (no matter what squad mates might have died at the end of ME2 or along the way) would still have Joker in it, no matter what
the player did. That should make the ending more universal to all players of any type. Again, just a suggestion. Fantastic work.

[Randy1012]

I don't have a problem with Liara being the one to say "Shepard!" She has the strongest plot armor of any squadmate, you'd have to do things just right (or wrong) for her not to survive the war.

[EnvyTB075]

H2Ape wrote...

I got the ending I wanted...

So when you started ME3 you knew you wanted to be either space jesus, TIM V2.0, or a mass murderer?

[DarkenRevan]

I like how this thread hasn't gotten locked yet like every other ending thread out there tonight.

[OMTING52601]

That was really cool, OP! Thanks for going to all the effort to put this together

[Captain McBuck]

This kicked all kinds of ass, and proves that 95% of the problem with the endings Narative Coherence is the talking  Nightlight As for sugestions for a version 3?

- - - Maybe when Shep is on the Citidel with Anderson you could edit in Anderson Original Dialog that was cut about kids and Shep maybe settling down some day, since there is no animation you could overlay it with key moments in Sheps life - (Joker, Alenko and Shep in the cockpit of the SR1, meeting Ash on Eden Prime, The Becon, becoming a Spectre, Sheps Death on the SR1, Resurection on Lazerus, Meeting the Illuzive Man for the first time, Horrizon, esccaping the collector base) Alll in Glorious black and white. then cut back to anderson as he tells Shep he's proud of him, gearing  us up for the Firing of the Crucible.

- - - I'm not sure we actually -need- the Normandy crash you could stil have the wave chasing them, then.you could cut to Hacketts Epilogue and imply the Normandy is part of the fleet without us having to explicitly see it and still have the memorial scene make sense.

- - - I really prefer the Optermistic Wrex slides from the high EMS/Destroy Ending when I cured the Genophage, you seemed to have used the Wreav ones. Also Miranda's is missing from the slide show (she has one in both Synthasis or Control) new slides for Kelly, Bailey etc would be nice just to see they survived. 'The Citidel' massicre.

- It would be nice if you could fit in Sheps Epic "Refuse speach" as its panning over the rubble.. ""I fight for freedom...mine...and everyones if I die. I die free..." then have the "Shepard!" :Maybe Wrex, or Grunt, or Liara or hell anyone. maybe even Chakwas!

Modifié par Captain McBuck, 04 août 2012 - 10:22 .

[BobTheAndroid]

The original Anderson dialogue idea is great!

Is there a way to show that Kelly Chambers and Captain Bailey is alive?

[Ang3l o Xn6]

best ending ever

[Captain McBuck]

BobTheAndroid wrote...

The original Anderson dialogue idea is great!

Is there a way to show that Kelly Chambers and Captain Bailey is alive?

Vuduu would have to create new slides and splice them in for that, a bit of work but doable in any decent video software.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Vuduu wrote...

One more thought ... are folks interested in having the same ending but made with the standard FemShep?

My canon is femshep, so that would be appreciated by me at least

[Jadebaby]

Beautiful, really wonderful.

Even if you liked the endings if you facepalm or don't at least respect the effort gone into this, than you should GTFO.

[Jadebaby]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Vuduu wrote...

One more thought ... are folks interested in having the same ending but made with the standard FemShep?

My canon is femshep, so that would be appreciated by me at least

Yes, I would, my femshep romanced Liara too so her voice at the end would be perfect.

I'm not sure if I'd personally watch it though, I literally can't watch the memorial scene without tearing up. BioWare tore out this fans heart and completely betrayed the trust I had in them to allow myself to connect with Shepard the way I did. For that, and only that, I will NEVER forgive them.

It really shows that they ****ing suck at writing when you literally have to kill off the main protagonist in every ending, just to get some ****ing cheap trills from their fan's emotions.

[Vuduu]

Personally, I like that it's Liara's voice at the end. I think that if you look back from ME1 through ME3, Liara and Shepard always had a special relationship, no matter who was chosen as the Love Interest. The same goes for Shepard and Garrus. Having either Liara or Garrus as the one who finds Shepard just feels right to me. In a perfect world, I'd have the person who finds Shepard be whomever you chose as a Love Interest, but there's no way for me to do that, short of creating a dozen different endings.

I'm also limited to using clips from scenes that I personally can see. I tried to do a "perfect" play through where no one died, but I did lose Wrex (because I didn't import my ME1 save) and I didn't save the Genophage research in ME2 (so I missed some good Krogan scenes). I'm currently replaying the games to correct those mistakes, but there are a few things that would help me out faster:

(1) If you have screen captured video/audio of the scenes I need, I would need them in 1280X800 format. I could arrange for you to send them to me, and I could edit them in. Using Fraps to capture the video would be ideal.

(2) If you know of a saved game editor that would let me change key variables (who is alive, who is dead, what key decisions were made), I could just make the changes and replay the ending to get the images.

Lastly, someone mentioned how this thread hasn't been locked. I really think the reason for that is that we are NOT slamming Bioware for their efforts. On the contrary, I deeply respect Bioware for all that they have done, and for making such an awesome series of games. They made three games, and many of us think that 99% of what they gave us was awesome. We wouldn't be here talking about the ending if we didn't. So I'd ask that we please keep the conversation respectful with regards to Bioware and each other. There's plenty of room for a variety of opinions about the endings, and for us to support people who are sharing their own headcanon of how the series ended.

Modifié par Vuduu, 04 août 2012 - 03:26 .

[Chashan]

"Lastly, someone mentioned how this thread hasn't been locked."

Exactly who did that...?

Suggesting a move to Fan-Creations I could understand, but that...? ow boy.

Other than that, I've got a question: Could you imagine to include the extended conversation between Shepard and Anderson before the good Admiral passes on? Novice at video-editing that I am, it would suffice for me if it happened during a black screen.
I have heard tell that it is oh so "false" as the family relationships of Mr Anderson were supposedly wrong in that one. Frankly, I do not think that is at all important; the man is dying, heck, both assume they are about to give up the ghost, so they are in my opinion allowed to indulge in some idle father-kid relationship.
Make that for both madam and Mister Shepard, and this would be near perfect.

Modifié par Chashan, 04 août 2012 - 03:46 .

[squidney2k1]

This ending sucks.

Why?

Because it lack the one thing that "we all wanted," which was choice. Sure, Starchild's appearances and choices weren't exactly the greatest, but at least it was a choice. This "Hero Ending" is the embodiment of what you so-called fans were *****ing about for the past 4 months---no choice.

[Vuduu]

squidney2k1 wrote...

This ending sucks.

Why?

Because it lack the one thing that "we all wanted," which was choice. Sure, Starchild's appearances and choices weren't exactly the greatest, but at least it was a choice. This "Hero Ending" is the embodiment of what you so-called fans were *****ing about for the past 4 months---no choice.

This ending has tons of choice. What you're seeing is the ending we wanted to get IF we made all the right choices (to keep everyone alive, max out the EMS, get the right people building the Crucible, etc). This is just one of many possible endings that our choices could lead to. What we wanted is for this to be a POSSIBILITY. 

[Vuduu]

So thanks to a save game editor (I don't know if we're supposed to talk about such things here, so I won't say which one), it looks like I'll be able to get FemShep footage pretty easily. And possibly get Wrex's name off the wall! Stay tuned ...

[Chashan]

squidney2k1 wrote...

This ending sucks.

Why?

Because it lack the one thing that "we all wanted," which was choice. Sure, Starchild's appearances and choices weren't exactly the greatest, but at least it was a choice. This "Hero Ending" is the embodiment of what you so-called fans were *****ing about for the past 4 months---no choice.

There are such things as meaningful choices, and such that are void of that.

The decisions on Tuchanka and Rannoch definitely are meaningful, emotional, well-made and further the plot in a reasonable way.
The ABC-buttons, which were specifically advertised as_not_being there prior to release are none of that, and they annul the highlights of this chapter in the series to boot.

Considering that, having a journey fulfilled in a satisfactory manner, without worthless contrived dead weight tacked on like the cata-fail is what made me such a "so-called fan" of the first ME in the first place, definitely trumps your rather weak objection to this.
And as Vuduu said, this could have worked out perfectly as one of several endings which could have been direct results of how one played the game, as such it would have flowed more naturally than the out-of-nowhere non-sense that the tri-coloured pills are.

In short, only because there are "choices" for the sake of them being there does not make that a good thing.

Modifié par Chashan, 04 août 2012 - 10:35 .

[Blueprotoss]

Vuduu wrote...

One more thought ... are folks interested in having the same ending but made with the standard FemShep?

At this point why not!

[Blueprotoss]

iakus wrote...

Shepard dying, and to many, dying for stupid reasons, tends to turn a triumphant ending to a bleak one.

I wonder what happened to this with the ME2 rage?

iakus wrote... 

In addition, EDI and the geth dying offscreen due to friendly fire in Destroy makes it kind of a downer for folks too.

I liked EDI and the Geth as well but things do get caught in the crossfire.

iakus wrote... 

There should have been, as the pettiness is subjective

This made my day.

[Blueprotoss]

EnvyTB075 wrote...

H2Ape wrote...

I got the ending I wanted...

So when you started ME3 you knew you wanted to be either space jesus, TIM V2.0, or a mass murderer?

If you noticed most or all of the signs before the end then you could have came to those outcomes.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 04 août 2012 - 11:15 .

[Blueprotoss]

Chashan wrote...

There are such things as meaningful choices, and such that are void of that.

The decisions on Tuchanka and Rannoch definitely are meaningful, emotional, well-made and further the plot in a reasonable way.
The ABC-buttons, which were specifically advertised as_not_being there prior to release are none of that, and they annul the highlights of this chapter in the series to boot.

Considering that, having a journey fulfilled in a satisfactory manner, without worthless contrived dead weight tacked on like the cata-fail is what made me such a "so-called fan" of the first ME in the first place, definitely trumps your rather weak objection to this.
And as Vuduu said, this could have worked out perfectly as one of several endings which could have been direct results of how one played the game, as such it would have flowed more naturally than the out-of-nowhere non-sense that the tri-coloured pills are.

This is all opinion and its okay but at the end of the day its from one of the millions of ME fans.

Chashan wrote... 

In short, only because there are "choices" for the sake of them being there does not make that a good thing.

This is also another opinion since others can say that another choice wouldn't hurt.  I highly doubt that Bioware made a choice system to plug in "choices for the sake of them being there".

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 04 août 2012 - 11:22 .

[Vuduu]

I think it's fair to say that there are many fans who liked the endings that Bioware provided, and many fans who wanted something different. There's no way to know for sure how many their are of each.

However, I do like seeing that the Hero Ending has over 13,000 views already.

[MoElfarri]

A few cuts and gets more creds than bioware, Bravo!

[Iakus]

[quote]Blueprotoss wrote...

[quote]iakus wrote...

Shepard dying, and to many, dying for stupid reasons, tends to turn a triumphant ending to a bleak one.[/quote]I wonder what happened to this with the ME2 rage?[/quote]

?  Specify, please.

[quote]iakus wrote... 

In addition, EDI and the geth dying offscreen due to friendly fire in Destroy makes it kind of a downer for folks too.[/quote]I liked EDI and the Geth as well but things do get caught in the crossfire.[/quote]

True, but in this case it was handled horribly.  As compared to, say, Mordin, or Anderson's deaths. 


[quote]iakus wrote... 

There should have been, as the pettiness is subjective [/quote]This made my day.

[/quote]

...You're welcome?