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[Captain McBuck]

Personally, my Shepard settled down with Jack.  They live on Earth in a
trailer park.  They've both put on about 30 pounds and they have 5 kids.
 Every weekend, Garrus and Tali come by ... the boys go bowling and the
girls hang out with the kids.

Is that wrong?

Nah, to each their own shepard.!

sethdil wrote...

I see a lot of people hating on the starchild, did anyone stop to think that the starchild is the reaper AI using that childs likeness from the very beginning as a way to invoke emotion in Shepard. She is already seriously injured dying from injuries, many of her friends have died and what better way to attempt to get her to falter in her reservation then by playing on her emotions.

Its combat 101 if you are loosing a conflict, and at this point the reapers have to be concerned, just based on the fact you are making it every difficult for them and already many reapers have fallen to alliance forces then apply psychological warfare, by appearing as a child that died on earth and by telling her if she fires the weapon she will destroy the Geth and other synth life including her own due to implants the Reaper AI is trying to manipulate her to make a choice it wants. Two options end the war and insure reaper victory and that is why the AI is trying to manipulate her with all this "starchild" confusion.

Do you want to know what I felt when I saw that Mysterykid get Kazpzzzt by the Reaper? - Northing. I and there for my Shepard never connected to him. he was just there. and then he wasn't. I mean sure was his death bad? Sure, but no more so than the other millions of people the reapers were killing all over the galaxy, its like Joker says - she is generally aware there is a war but the reapers are a threat to everyone and everything one kid, that she didn't know really isn't the best way to pull on her or the players  heart strings. it would have been far more effective emotionally to use people she actually knew and meant something to her like - Mordin or Legion or Kaiden or Thane. The main problem with the starkid though is that he comes so far out of left field that he removes so much Narative Coherence it completely jumps the themes of the series, the EC does restore some of this but his aperance still derails the plot significantly.. We didn't need some HAL9000 insane AI to tell us "The Reapers are just missunderstood" in the last 5 minutes with some trolllogic, - The Reapes have murdered trillions of people over millions of years and grind them up into goo to reproduce. thats enough of a reason to use the Crucible and the Billions of lives which are putting all of there hopes on Shep and I personally belive that Edi and the Gath did not deserve to be Colatoral damage in the only ending that does what we set out to do and the only reason it was there was BW wanted to nudged as many people away from that option as they could and towards there "Artistic Vission" of Benevolent Dictatorship and an act which violates every lving thing in exitance in an act several ordres of magnitude far worse than rape to create 'Utopia'

[BobTheAndroid]

I was thinking what if after TIM' s death you cut to the crucible part all the way to the Normandy chasing. And than show the uncut Shepard and Anderson part.



And where there is no cut scene during their dialogue you could cut in some of the still pictures (Wrex the Geth ...)
Without the cheap breath scene. Shepard lives.

Modifié par BobTheAndroid, 07 août 2012 - 10:49 .

[gert56nom]

I said it before the EC came out if you just cut out the starkid & went straight to destroy the ending worked so much better

this version with all the epiogues is the perfect ending

[Vuduu]

BobTheAndroid wrote...

I was thinking what if after TIM' s death you cut to the crucible part all the way to the Normandy chasing. And than show the uncut Shepard and Anderson part.



And where there is no cut scene during their dialogue you could cut in some of the still pictures (Wrex the Geth ...)
Without the cheap breath scene. Shepard lives.

I'm not sure how I feel about the extended conversation between Anderson and Shepard.  It seems a little heavy-handed to me.

As for the additional scenes, I'm going to edit some save games to see if I can't get video of some of the other slideshow images, and see if any of them fit in better.

Oh!  And I got a sample of a more desperate "SHEPARD!" scream from Liara.  

[Blueprotoss]

iakus wrote...

While postgame DLC would be great (and really shore up a "Shepard Lives" ending) it would be very difficult to implement, based on the endings.

And Bioware has made it abundantly clear that while other Mass Effect games may be made, Shepard's story is over.

So as far as Shepard goes, this is, in fact, the end.  And many people are unhappy with how it ended for Shepard personally.  Too bleak, even in the "Shepard Lives" ending.

Shepard's story is over as a full game while his/her story isn't over in ME3 until there's no new ME3 DLC.

iakus wrote... 

Ah, I thought you were saying there's no evidence that they died.  Yeah by putting ending slides in showing geth, the "Hero Ending" shows the Crucible didn't target them (presumably, because it was built well enough to only go after the Reapers).

No problem while you shouldn't forget that EDI's body and the Geth have some Reaper tech in them, which would kill them in Destroy.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 07 août 2012 - 02:06 .

[Blueprotoss]

Vuduu wrote...

sethdil wrote...

I see a lot of people hating on the starchild ... 

I don't think it's so much hating on the starchild as it is hating on the way the starchild was used.  Yes, the starchild was woven into the story right from the beginning, with the mysterious child on Earth, and then with the visions Shepard experiences.

However, we don't really LEARN anything about the starchild until the very end, when, in a God-like fashion, he/she gives us three choices for how the game will end.  It's that arbitrary dispensation of the endings that I think upsets most people.

The irony here is that there is a lot of hate on the star child and most of that hate notices him as a character at the end of ME3 instead of a character at the beginning of ME3.

[Vuduu]

Blueprotoss wrote...

The irony here is that there is a lot of hate on the star child and most of that hate notices him as a character at the end of ME3 instead of a character at the beginning of ME3.

I don't want to derail the fact that you and I are actually agreeing on something.    However, your comment made me wonder ...  was he a character at the beginning of ME3?  We definitely saw the CHILD.  But couldn't that just have been a regular human child at that point?  And later on, the Catalyst used Shepard's image of that child as a way to communicate with him?

Just a thought.

[sethdil]

Vuduu wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

The irony here is that there is a lot of hate on the star child and most of that hate notices him as a character at the end of ME3 instead of a character at the beginning of ME3.

I don't want to derail the fact that you and I are actually agreeing on something.    However, your comment made me wonder ...  was he a character at the beginning of ME3?  We definitely saw the CHILD.  But couldn't that just have been a regular human child at that point?  And later on, the Catalyst used Shepard's image of that child as a way to communicate with him?

Just a thought.

I think it all comes down to ones perception of what the starchild is. Mine is that at the end the starchild was the reaper AIs attempt to confuse or sway Shepard by using something that haunts her. Why an unknown childs death, such as that boys at the beginning of the game, has any effect one can not know what goes on inside our heads.

I choose to view that at the beginning when Shepard saw the child die it was sort of a mental snap, all along this war has taken its toll. At the end the Reaper AI is employing every dirty underhanded method to manipulate Shepard into making a choice it wants, by appearing as an image of that child and saying if she chooses to fire the weapon and thus destroy the reapers it tells her she will be destroying other innocents such as the Geth. That boy was an innocent too, see the connection its a classic psychological warfare.

A classic military ploy to get the enemy to rethink their resolve, which has been used in many wars. So when I saw this "kid" the AI appeared as and it told me I'd be destroying more than the Reapers and that Control or Synthsis was a better option making peace I thought it was all a sham the Reaper wants to win so it will force me to kill some I consider my friends or comrades to achieve victory or I can lay down arms and surrender everything all the races have fought for "life, freedom and a chance to choose"

I am reminded of Spock when the AI told me Geth would pay the price too. "The needs of the many outweight the needs of the few, or the one" True EDI and Geth alike did not deserve what happened but it's the horror of war...and their sacrifice will be remembered.

Modifié par sethdil, 07 août 2012 - 02:52 .

[BDelacroix]

Vuduu wrote...

Captain McBuck wrote...

Incidentally my shep gets puled out by Alliance Marines. She  loses her eye and has a bad ass eyepatch Sol Tygh style and walks with a cain, lives in a house with Treynor and has a German Shepard named Urrz.

I love reading things like this.  I think everyone has their own headcanon as to how their Shepard turned out, and with whom.

Personally, my Shepard settled down with Jack.  They live on Earth in a trailer park.  They've both put on about 30 pounds and they have 5 kids.  Every weekend, Garrus and Tali come by ... the boys go bowling and the girls hang out with the kids.

Is that wrong?

For me, even with this ending and it makes it a bit easier to do, the geth are found to be functioning just fine.  EDI is reassembled or not found to be broken after all.  Shepard is found, though while seriously injured is given a medical discharge with full benefits and lives on a few years in a wheel chair probably.  His LI taking care of him.  Loved my billions.  It will be at least 100 years before the attempts to deconstruct his contributions are used by the political powers of that day for their own agenda begin.

I always say the starkid as a last ditch effort to derail Shepard's efforts.  The fact that in the metagaming he reverts to the Harbringer voice and says "so be it" is just more evidence of that fact to me.  Therefore, I can believe nothing that he says to me.  My goal is clear.  Shoot the tube.

Modifié par BDelacroix, 07 août 2012 - 03:12 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

Vuduu wrote...

I don't want to derail the fact that you and I are actually agreeing on something.    However, your comment made me wonder ...  was he a character at the beginning of ME3?  We definitely saw the CHILD.  But couldn't that just have been a regular human child at that point?  And later on, the Catalyst used Shepard's image of that child as a way to communicate with him?

Just a thought.

They're not the same character, Catalyst just takes that apperance of the kid Shepard has used as the personification of the people back on Earth and those that fell during the conflict, for whatever reason.

[Wowlock]

It is amazing how those little changes can fix the whole thing and makes more sense than the ''artistic integrity'' of the creators....

[macrocarl]

While I appreciate all the hard work you did it's not as weird as the original ending and answers everything in a way I don't have to think about which kind of kills the drama for me.

[SparrowBird]

Oh. I actually quite liked this. Well done.

[Shalaska]

Very nice, the only thing I wish was seeing him come out and reunite with the crew and LI (Tali) and my experience would be complete, ala Mass Effect 1 style. Otherwise this is improvement over the EC 100% and over the original 1000%. To everyone who says that you need sacrifice and like the sad endings I say yes those are great endings, but I should also be rewarded for 7000+ War Assets and 100% Galactic Readyness (did you not read that we are holding our own and pushing the Reapers back in key places on the war map ie. conventional weapons WERE WORKING). I don't even care that there are not more of our choices reflected as I understand that there is way to many choices to have all of the different combinations of assets/choices reflected in the ending. But what they should have done is make these choices just figure into the ending that we got as well as how many assets we aquired. I see no reason why I shouldn't be able to save everyone including myself with high paragon and enough assets.

Sorry about ranting a little just finished a 1 month, 90 hour play time, 2 days ago, going through MA1-3 for the first time ever (never played any of them before now). So I am still in shock at the ending and my emotions are trying to catch up with the logic that this is just a game. And before anyone thinks I am just an uneducated teen who doesn't understand life, I am 25 finishing up a PhD in Comp Sci and am married, this game just hits home so hard especially when you get 90 hours in a month that it is extra dissappointing.

tldr Love your new ending even though I would have added a little more.

[Vuduu]

It's tough to find a balance between putting in enough to make for a satisfying ending and putting up too much in. Plus, I've got to work with what I can find footage of. I didn't want to reuse much for fear of people noticing that it was old footage.

[Captain McBuck]

Shalaska wrote...

Very nice, the only thing I wish was seeing him come out and reunite with the crew and LI (Tali) and my experience would be complete, ala Mass Effect 1 style. Otherwise this is improvement over the EC 100% and over the original 1000%. To everyone who says that you need sacrifice and like the sad endings I say yes those are great endings, but I should also be rewarded for 7000+ War Assets and 100% Galactic Readyness (did you not read that we are holding our own and pushing the Reapers back in key places on the war map ie. conventional weapons WERE WORKING). I don't even care that there are not more of our choices reflected as I understand that there is way to many choices to have all of the different combinations of assets/choices reflected in the ending. But what they should have done is make these choices just figure into the ending that we got as well as how many assets we aquired. I see no reason why I shouldn't be able to save everyone including myself with high paragon and enough assets.

Sorry about ranting a little just finished a 1 month, 90 hour play time, 2 days ago, going through MA1-3 for the first time ever (never played any of them before now). So I am still in shock at the ending and my emotions are trying to catch up with the logic that this is just a game. And before anyone thinks I am just an uneducated teen who doesn't understand life, I am 25 finishing up a PhD in Comp Sci and am married, this game just hits home so hard especially when you get 90 hours in a month that it is extra dissappointing.

tldr Love your new ending even though I would have added a little more.

Yeah BW's Statments that we didn't "Understand" the 'Highly Artistic interlectual' ending was insulting. We understood just fine. We just thought it was crap.

[Iakus]

Vuduu wrote...

It's tough to find a balance between putting in enough to make for a satisfying ending and putting up too much in. Plus, I've got to work with what I can find footage of. I didn't want to reuse much for fear of people noticing that it was old footage.

Totally understandable

[Vuduu]

Agreed, Captain McBuck. I think there's a difference between players not "understanding" the complexity of the ending and players just not liking it. The "deus ex machina" has been used in literature for hundreds of years. At the end of a complex story, a godlike being appears and fixes everything so that the story ends in a certain way. In Ancient Greek tragedies, the deus ex machina literally was "god by machine". An actor, dressed as a god, would be lowered onto the stage by a machine (a winch). The god would then fix all of the problems in the script and the story would end.

Hmm ... the starchild really is amazingly similar to that, isn't he?  A godlike being appears with the help of a machine, and fixes all the problems with the story.  

The problem with the deus ex machina is that modern audiences don't like it! While having a god fix all the problems felt fine to the Ancient Greeks, to us it feels very artificial and like a cop out of having to create a logical conclusion to the story. There's nothing wrong with using it, except that people don't tend to like it very much.

Modifié par Vuduu, 08 août 2012 - 11:44 .

[Blueprotoss]

Captain McBuck wrote...

Shalaska wrote...

Very nice, the only thing I wish was seeing him come out and reunite with the crew and LI (Tali) and my experience would be complete, ala Mass Effect 1 style. Otherwise this is improvement over the EC 100% and over the original 1000%. To everyone who says that you need sacrifice and like the sad endings I say yes those are great endings, but I should also be rewarded for 7000+ War Assets and 100% Galactic Readyness (did you not read that we are holding our own and pushing the Reapers back in key places on the war map ie. conventional weapons WERE WORKING). I don't even care that there are not more of our choices reflected as I understand that there is way to many choices to have all of the different combinations of assets/choices reflected in the ending. But what they should have done is make these choices just figure into the ending that we got as well as how many assets we aquired. I see no reason why I shouldn't be able to save everyone including myself with high paragon and enough assets.

Sorry about ranting a little just finished a 1 month, 90 hour play time, 2 days ago, going through MA1-3 for the first time ever (never played any of them before now). So I am still in shock at the ending and my emotions are trying to catch up with the logic that this is just a game. And before anyone thinks I am just an uneducated teen who doesn't understand life, I am 25 finishing up a PhD in Comp Sci and am married, this game just hits home so hard especially when you get 90 hours in a month that it is extra dissappointing.

tldr Love your new ending even though I would have added a little more.

Yeah BW's Statments that we didn't "Understand" the 'Highly Artistic interlectual' ending was insulting. We understood just fine. We just thought it was crap.

How is that when most of the negativity came from a lack of understanding by everything being labeled as "plot holes" when some peope didn't want to use a little bit of common sense.  This happens all the time and its nothing new with Bioware or the Industry as a whole.

[Vuduu]

I think our next video should be "The Ending We DIDNT Want (but that all the haters say we did)"

Here are a few ideas:

The energy from the Crucible resurrects Thane, who is seen limping out of the Citadel. He puts his arm around his son and takes him to a baseball game.

Mordin was just hiding on Tuchanka all along, and he radios Shepard to say congratulations. He's also learned more showtunes and sings them in triumph.

Legion was backed up onto a USB drive, and the Geth plug it in to a new body. He writes the new OS for all the computers in the galaxy.

In the final scene, Shepard marries his LI. The event is a combination wedding and awards ceremony, in which Shepard and his wife are given the Keys to the Galaxy, ownership of the Normandy, and a lifetime supply of Rice-a-Roni.

As the credits roll, the Normandy flies off into the sunset dragging tin cans, with a bumper sticker that reads "JUST MARRIED!"

...

There ... is that what the haters THOUGHT we wanted out of the ending?

[Vuduu]

gert56nom wrote...

I said it before the EC came out if you just cut out the starkid & went straight to destroy the ending worked so much better

this version with all the epiogues is the perfect ending

You know you COULD still have this ending and include the starchild.  When I first heard that there was a "refuse" ending in the EC, that's what I thought it would be.  You tell the starchild to go to hell, fire the crucible and blast the Reapers to atoms.

I was VERY disappointed with what we got instead.

[Iakus]

Vuduu wrote...

I think our next video should be "The Ending We DIDNT Want (but that all the haters say we did)"

Here are a few ideas:

The energy from the Crucible resurrects Thane, who is seen limping out of the Citadel. He puts his arm around his son and takes him to a baseball game.

Mordin was just hiding on Tuchanka all along, and he radios Shepard to say congratulations. He's also learned more showtunes and sings them in triumph.

Legion was backed up onto a USB drive, and the Geth plug it in to a new body. He writes the new OS for all the computers in the galaxy.

In the final scene, Shepard marries his LI. The event is a combination wedding and awards ceremony, in which Shepard and his wife are given the Keys to the Galaxy, ownership of the Normandy, and a lifetime supply of Rice-a-Roni.

As the credits roll, the Normandy flies off into the sunset dragging tin cans, with a bumper sticker that reads "JUST MARRIED!"

...

There ... is that what the haters THOUGHT we wanted out of the ending?

That would be hilarious if it could be done!

Just add some human-turian hybrid children at the end

[Blueprotoss]

iakus wrote...

Vuduu wrote...

I think our next video should be "The Ending We DIDNT Want (but that all the haters say we did)"

Here are a few ideas:

The energy from the Crucible resurrects Thane, who is seen limping out of the Citadel. He puts his arm around his son and takes him to a baseball game.

Mordin was just hiding on Tuchanka all along, and he radios Shepard to say congratulations. He's also learned more showtunes and sings them in triumph.

Legion was backed up onto a USB drive, and the Geth plug it in to a new body. He writes the new OS for all the computers in the galaxy.

In the final scene, Shepard marries his LI. The event is a combination wedding and awards ceremony, in which Shepard and his wife are given the Keys to the Galaxy, ownership of the Normandy, and a lifetime supply of Rice-a-Roni.

As the credits roll, the Normandy flies off into the sunset dragging tin cans, with a bumper sticker that reads "JUST MARRIED!"

...

There ... is that what the haters THOUGHT we wanted out of the ending?

That would be hilarious if it could be done!

Just add some human-turian hybrid children at the end

This would be entertaining to see even if its once.

[r.anger]

Loved this ending! No Starbrat...wasn't missed at all. Best part was liara saying "Shepard" at the

end before the breath. I never needed unicorns and rainbows, just a moment of hope. Perfect

ending OP. Well done!!

[Decklun]

This is exactly what I had hoped to see in my ending, and it is a far more natural and sensible conclusion. One that would have kept the narrative course true considering everything that took place before those last 15 minutes. It shows how needless, extraneous, and nonsensical the Starchild is that you can remove him completely and the ending is far more emotional and satisfying.

When you think about it, this is just the ending minus the hack-job Hudson and Walters delivered, mere months before official release, after Karpyshyn left the project due to EA telling him to change his ending.