485 réponses à ce sujet

[Dude_in_the_Room]

iakus wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

That was those games. While there are some deaths in this game some of them have to be at the end.  I don't see how you can think of an ending that's good with Shep surviving.  Shep dying completes the story.  Giving all he's got until he has nothing left to give for everyone.

I'm not saying Destroy works out in a good way considering you might have saved the Geth, but having a rainbow and unicorn ending is something you see in a child's cartoon where everyone is great and everyone will always be ok.

Not sure if serious or trolling...

Not sure if grammar sucks or just nothing to say.

[Iakus]

 Shep living =/= rainbows and unicorns

Edit:  FOr that matter, Shepard's death is not the only valid possibility for an ending.  That's just railroading, and in RPGs that's considered a Bad Thing

Modifié par iakus, 19 mars 2013 - 05:56 .

[Dude_in_the_Room]

iakus wrote...

 Shep living =/= rainbows and unicorns

Edit:  FOr that matter, Shepard's death is not the only valid possibility for an ending.  That's just railroading, and in RPGs that's considered a Bad Thing

You can call it a skyscraper or whatever you want but lots of great stories have the hero sacrificing their life for the well being of others.

I can think of probably the most read and well known story in the world where that happens.

[Drewton]

I'm fine with Shepard sacrificing himself, it's synthesis itself that I have a problem with.

[Megaton_Hope]

I don't see what bothers people so much about Shepard's death, it's not like he doesn't kill a race of sentient starships that have been extinguishing all life since before man walked erect before he goes

Dude in the room: Epic of Gilgamesh? I wouldn't call it popular though, really.

Modifié par Megaton_Hope, 19 mars 2013 - 08:12 .

[Brovikk Rasputin]

I didn't want that.

[Ridwan]

Happy endings > Fake depressing trying too hard to be "artistic" crappy endings.

Downing a beer over a dead Reaper corpse with your buddy > Everyone turning green or be subjected to a Shepard that now controls the Reapers and pray to him everyday that he doesn't flip the retard switch in his mind on "On" and kills everyone.

Just saying.

[Brovikk Rasputin]

Well, not our fault that you choose to look at it like that.

[Dr_Extrem]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Well, not our fault that you choose to look at it like that.

yeah . sometimes, it is hard to see behind the curtain.

[KennyAshes]

Auld Wulf wrote...

It's definitely not the ending I'd want for two reasons:

1.) Each reaper is made up of a stored civilisation. Every mind that could be preserved along with the DNA from every body.

2.) The Reapers were slaves to a control program.

So, to destroy the Reapers is to kill off billions of people whose only sin was being mind-controlled by the control program. It wasn't their fault and they had no control over it. They were prisoners and slaves. And for that we kill them, when we can choose not to?

First of all I'd like to point out that we, being humans are a very aggressive being with suicidal tendancies as we constantly harm other beings around us, destroy ourselves in a slow way. We wiped out entire species without the need to and are still doing that.
That is a fact that is a burden on the humanrace and unjustified.

In the game right up to the end you did not know fully what each of the 4 choices would do. And you had to ensure survival in the way you thought best with the given information. If survival is ensured I think collateral damage its justifiable. Maybe not from someone elses point of view, but we succeeded in our goal. We survived.

And why would killing the Reapers not be an act of compassion towards those races. Everyone just assumes that because there is traces of ancient civilizations in the Reapers that the 'We' the Reapers talk off are content with their situation. I have not, nor in the books, nor the comics, nor the games found that there still is individuality (of individuals of a race) left in the Reapers. When you talk to the Reapers it all sounds like 1 entity, not a race talking to you. If there was a way to restore those civilizations it would be worth thinking about. But at this point having to make a choice between 'their knowledge and being messed up yourself' or survival is not that hard for me.

Edit :  I don't mind Shepard dying when I talk about survival. Its the bigger scheme, survival of the races and ensuring that future races get a fair chance at life.

Modifié par KennyAshes, 19 mars 2013 - 09:37 .

[Dude_in_the_Room]

M25105 wrote...

Happy endings > Fake depressing trying too hard to be "artistic" crappy endings.

Downing a beer over a dead Reaper corpse with your buddy > Everyone turning green or be subjected to a Shepard that now controls the Reapers and pray to him everyday that he doesn't flip the retard switch in his mind on "On" and kills everyone.

Just saying.

Just b/c the ending was written bad in this story doesn't mean that sort of ending is bad all around.

Sacrifice ending > rainbow, unicorn, child's cartoon happy ending

Megaton_Hope wrote...


Dude in the room: Epic of Gilgamesh? I wouldn't call it popular though, really.

The Bible

[Ridwan]

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Happy endings > Fake depressing trying too hard to be "artistic" crappy endings.

Downing a beer over a dead Reaper corpse with your buddy > Everyone turning green or be subjected to a Shepard that now controls the Reapers and pray to him everyday that he doesn't flip the retard switch in his mind on "On" and kills everyone.

Just saying.

Just b/c the ending was written bad in this story doesn't mean that sort of ending is bad all around.

Sacrifice ending > rainbow, unicorn, child's cartoon happy ending

Megaton_Hope wrote...


Dude in the room: Epic of Gilgamesh? I wouldn't call it popular though, really.

The Bible

Seeing the labour of your work and drinking beer with your buddies while Grunt pees on a Reaper Corpse, then celebrating those that gave their lives in battle > Sacrifice ending.

I play to win.

Modifié par M25105, 19 mars 2013 - 10:17 .

[Dude_in_the_Room]

M25105 wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Happy endings > Fake depressing trying too hard to be "artistic" crappy endings.

Downing a beer over a dead Reaper corpse with your buddy > Everyone turning green or be subjected to a Shepard that now controls the Reapers and pray to him everyday that he doesn't flip the retard switch in his mind on "On" and kills everyone.

Just saying.

Just b/c the ending was written bad in this story doesn't mean that sort of ending is bad all around.

Sacrifice ending > rainbow, unicorn, child's cartoon happy ending

Megaton_Hope wrote...


Dude in the room: Epic of Gilgamesh? I wouldn't call it popular though, really.

The Bible

Seeing the labour of your work and drinking beer with your buddies while Grunt pees on a Reaper Corpse, then celebrating those that gave their lives in battle > Sacrifice ending.

I play to win.

Yeah....that didn't happen.  And never will.  So whatever.

But it says something when you seemed more worried about your character seeing his victory and celebrating other lives lost....but just not yours.

Thats why sacrifice ending = grown up ending.

[Ridwan]

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Happy endings > Fake depressing trying too hard to be "artistic" crappy endings.

Downing a beer over a dead Reaper corpse with your buddy > Everyone turning green or be subjected to a Shepard that now controls the Reapers and pray to him everyday that he doesn't flip the retard switch in his mind on "On" and kills everyone.

Just saying.

Just b/c the ending was written bad in this story doesn't mean that sort of ending is bad all around.

Sacrifice ending > rainbow, unicorn, child's cartoon happy ending

Megaton_Hope wrote...


Dude in the room: Epic of Gilgamesh? I wouldn't call it popular though, really.

The Bible

Seeing the labour of your work and drinking beer with your buddies while Grunt pees on a Reaper Corpse, then celebrating those that gave their lives in battle > Sacrifice ending.

I play to win.

Yeah....that didn't happen.  And never will.  So whatever.

But it says something when you seemed more worried about your character seeing his victory and celebrating other lives lost....but just not yours.

Thats why sacrifice ending = grown up ending.

Lol, so you're pulling that card now, huh?

Newflash buddy, it's a game, not some overrated film that won awards in Cannes, that no one really cares about.

Modifié par M25105, 19 mars 2013 - 10:32 .

[Dude_in_the_Room]

M25105 wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Happy endings > Fake depressing trying too hard to be "artistic" crappy endings.

Downing a beer over a dead Reaper corpse with your buddy > Everyone turning green or be subjected to a Shepard that now controls the Reapers and pray to him everyday that he doesn't flip the retard switch in his mind on "On" and kills everyone.

Just saying.

Just b/c the ending was written bad in this story doesn't mean that sort of ending is bad all around.

Sacrifice ending > rainbow, unicorn, child's cartoon happy ending

Megaton_Hope wrote...


Dude in the room: Epic of Gilgamesh? I wouldn't call it popular though, really.

The Bible

Seeing the labour of your work and drinking beer with your buddies while Grunt pees on a Reaper Corpse, then celebrating those that gave their lives in battle > Sacrifice ending.

I play to win.

Yeah....that didn't happen.  And never will.  So whatever.

But it says something when you seemed more worried about your character seeing his victory and celebrating other lives lost....but just not yours.

Thats why sacrifice ending = grown up ending.

Lol, so you're pulling that card now, huh?

Oh so you're pulling that card?

[Ridwan]

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Happy endings > Fake depressing trying too hard to be "artistic" crappy endings.

Downing a beer over a dead Reaper corpse with your buddy > Everyone turning green or be subjected to a Shepard that now controls the Reapers and pray to him everyday that he doesn't flip the retard switch in his mind on "On" and kills everyone.

Just saying.

Just b/c the ending was written bad in this story doesn't mean that sort of ending is bad all around.

Sacrifice ending > rainbow, unicorn, child's cartoon happy ending

Megaton_Hope wrote...


Dude in the room: Epic of Gilgamesh? I wouldn't call it popular though, really.

The Bible

Seeing the labour of your work and drinking beer with your buddies while Grunt pees on a Reaper Corpse, then celebrating those that gave their lives in battle > Sacrifice ending.

I play to win.

Yeah....that didn't happen.  And never will.  So whatever.

But it says something when you seemed more worried about your character seeing his victory and celebrating other lives lost....but just not yours.

Thats why sacrifice ending = grown up ending.

Lol, so you're pulling that card now, huh?

Oh so you're pulling that card?

You seem to be confusing video games with films.

[Dude_in_the_Room]

M25105 wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Happy endings > Fake depressing trying too hard to be "artistic" crappy endings.

Downing a beer over a dead Reaper corpse with your buddy > Everyone turning green or be subjected to a Shepard that now controls the Reapers and pray to him everyday that he doesn't flip the retard switch in his mind on "On" and kills everyone.

Just saying.

Just b/c the ending was written bad in this story doesn't mean that sort of ending is bad all around.

Sacrifice ending > rainbow, unicorn, child's cartoon happy ending

Megaton_Hope wrote...


Dude in the room: Epic of Gilgamesh? I wouldn't call it popular though, really.

The Bible

Seeing the labour of your work and drinking beer with your buddies while Grunt pees on a Reaper Corpse, then celebrating those that gave their lives in battle > Sacrifice ending.

I play to win.

Yeah....that didn't happen.  And never will.  So whatever.

But it says something when you seemed more worried about your character seeing his victory and celebrating other lives lost....but just not yours.

Thats why sacrifice ending = grown up ending.

Lol, so you're pulling that card now, huh?

Oh so you're pulling that card?

You seem to be confusing video games with films.

Ugh...as if there is no story in a video game.

[Ridwan]

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Happy endings > Fake depressing trying too hard to be "artistic" crappy endings.

Downing a beer over a dead Reaper corpse with your buddy > Everyone turning green or be subjected to a Shepard that now controls the Reapers and pray to him everyday that he doesn't flip the retard switch in his mind on "On" and kills everyone.

Just saying.

Just b/c the ending was written bad in this story doesn't mean that sort of ending is bad all around.

Sacrifice ending > rainbow, unicorn, child's cartoon happy ending

Megaton_Hope wrote...


Dude in the room: Epic of Gilgamesh? I wouldn't call it popular though, really.

The Bible

Seeing the labour of your work and drinking beer with your buddies while Grunt pees on a Reaper Corpse, then celebrating those that gave their lives in battle > Sacrifice ending.

I play to win.

Yeah....that didn't happen.  And never will.  So whatever.

But it says something when you seemed more worried about your character seeing his victory and celebrating other lives lost....but just not yours.

Thats why sacrifice ending = grown up ending.

Lol, so you're pulling that card now, huh?

Oh so you're pulling that card?

You seem to be confusing video games with films.

Ugh...as if there is no story in a video game.

Never said that, just saying you seem to prefer watching and not playing. You're pulling the "I'm a grown up cause I like to read stories that end in tragedy" fine bro, I like a good book too. But when I play games, I'm reading a book or watching a film. I'm playing to feel like a bad ass, to solve problems, kill aliens/robots/whatever and get a good happy ending (one with a highscore at the end would be cool too). Cause I want to replay that game again and get my moneys worth.

I have a hard time doing that when I know that the final 15 minutes the game ends up being total toilet when Casper the ****** ghost who has no problem comitting genocide, appears to tell me what to do.

I don't buy into that crap that games are suppose to be artistic masterpieces. They're products of entertainment and I, like many others, don't feel like we got our moneys worth when it comes to the replay value.... You see that's a grown up thing too, buying something that you can use over and over again.

[Dude_in_the_Room]

M25105 wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Happy endings > Fake depressing trying too hard to be "artistic" crappy endings.

Downing a beer over a dead Reaper corpse with your buddy > Everyone turning green or be subjected to a Shepard that now controls the Reapers and pray to him everyday that he doesn't flip the retard switch in his mind on "On" and kills everyone.

Just saying.

Just b/c the ending was written bad in this story doesn't mean that sort of ending is bad all around.

Sacrifice ending > rainbow, unicorn, child's cartoon happy ending

Megaton_Hope wrote...


Dude in the room: Epic of Gilgamesh? I wouldn't call it popular though, really.

The Bible

Seeing the labour of your work and drinking beer with your buddies while Grunt pees on a Reaper Corpse, then celebrating those that gave their lives in battle > Sacrifice ending.

I play to win.

Yeah....that didn't happen.  And never will.  So whatever.

But it says something when you seemed more worried about your character seeing his victory and celebrating other lives lost....but just not yours.

Thats why sacrifice ending = grown up ending.

Lol, so you're pulling that card now, huh?

Oh so you're pulling that card?

You seem to be confusing video games with films.

Ugh...as if there is no story in a video game.

Never said that, just saying you seem to prefer watching and not playing. You're pulling the "I'm a grown up cause I like to read stories that end in tragedy" fine bro, I like a good book too. But when I play games, I'm reading a book or watching a film. I'm playing to feel like a bad ass, to solve problems, kill aliens/robots/whatever and get a good happy ending (one with a highscore at the end would be cool too). Cause I want to replay that game again and get my moneys worth.

I have a hard time doing that when I know that the final 15 minutes the game ends up being total toilet when Casper the ****** ghost who has no problem comitting genocide, appears to tell me what to do.

I don't buy into that crap that games are suppose to be artistic masterpieces. They're products of entertainment and I, like many others, don't feel like we got our moneys worth when it comes to the replay value.... You see that's a grown up thing too, buying something that you can use over and over again.

I hate when ppl do the "I didn't say that" crap.  I wouldn't have said that if you weren't missing the point.

The ending sucked...I agree and thats the whole problem.  The genocide, casper....all part of the problem.  If they weren't there and if the ending were done right....wouldn't matter if Shep died in the end.

It's about self sacrifice....and like I said, in your mind you have no problem saluting others that have fallen.  Why can't they salute you?

But I get it....some ppl just want to feel as if they "won". 

Modifié par Dude_in_the_Room, 19 mars 2013 - 10:49 .

[Dr_Extrem]

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Happy endings > Fake depressing trying too hard to be "artistic" crappy endings.

Downing a beer over a dead Reaper corpse with your buddy > Everyone turning green or be subjected to a Shepard that now controls the Reapers and pray to him everyday that he doesn't flip the retard switch in his mind on "On" and kills everyone.

Just saying.

Just b/c the ending was written bad in this story doesn't mean that sort of ending is bad all around.

Sacrifice ending > rainbow, unicorn, child's cartoon happy ending

Megaton_Hope wrote...


Dude in the room: Epic of Gilgamesh? I wouldn't call it popular though, really.

The Bible

Seeing the labour of your work and drinking beer with your buddies while Grunt pees on a Reaper Corpse, then celebrating those that gave their lives in battle > Sacrifice ending.

I play to win.

Yeah....that didn't happen.  And never will.  So whatever.

But it says something when you seemed more worried about your character seeing his victory and celebrating other lives lost....but just not yours.

Thats why sacrifice ending = grown up ending.

not in general.

"the hero who gives his life to save the day" is maybe the oldest cliché in writing history - and one of the cheesiest.


the problem is, that a shepard who sacrifices himself for the greater good. can do it, without the fear to face the repercussions of the decision.

mindgame: what if synthesis does not alter the galaxy for good but for the worse. the crucibles energy transforms everything into "husks", who dont have free will and are just docile. a dead shepard would not have to care - he gives up all responsibility by dying (devil-may-care). a living shepard would have to live in this world and face the horrors he brought onto the galaxy. i would call THIS a grown up ending, that even has a superior wisdom.


btw ... "grown up" and "mass effect 3" (cheese deluxe) in the same context is a bold statement.

[Dude_in_the_Room]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Happy endings > Fake depressing trying too hard to be "artistic" crappy endings.

Downing a beer over a dead Reaper corpse with your buddy > Everyone turning green or be subjected to a Shepard that now controls the Reapers and pray to him everyday that he doesn't flip the retard switch in his mind on "On" and kills everyone.

Just saying.

Just b/c the ending was written bad in this story doesn't mean that sort of ending is bad all around.

Sacrifice ending > rainbow, unicorn, child's cartoon happy ending

Megaton_Hope wrote...


Dude in the room: Epic of Gilgamesh? I wouldn't call it popular though, really.

The Bible

Seeing the labour of your work and drinking beer with your buddies while Grunt pees on a Reaper Corpse, then celebrating those that gave their lives in battle > Sacrifice ending.

I play to win.

Yeah....that didn't happen.  And never will.  So whatever.

But it says something when you seemed more worried about your character seeing his victory and celebrating other lives lost....but just not yours.

Thats why sacrifice ending = grown up ending.

not in general.

"the hero who gives his life to save the day" is maybe the oldest cliché in writing history - and one of the cheesiest.


the problem is, that a shepard who sacrifices himself for the greater good. can do it, without the fear to face the repercussions of the decision.

mindgame: what if synthesis does not alter the galaxy for good but for the worse. the crucibles energy transforms everything into "husks", who dont have free will and are just docile. a dead shepard would not have to care - he gives up all responsibility by dying (devil-may-care). a living shepard would have to live in this world and face the horrors he brought onto the galaxy. i would call THIS a grown up ending, that even has a superior wisdom.


btw ... "grown up" and "mass effect 3" (cheese deluxe) in the same context is a bold statement.

i think you're exaggerating it a little.  It might be a "tried and true" climax, but....

well....how many cartoons, bedtime stories, fairy tales, and whatnot have you read, heard or seen where everyone is happy at the end.

And yes....most of them are childrens stories.

[Chugster]

the point is, BW could have given everyone the ability to choose.....sacrifice Shep to save the galaxy? No probs....Live happily ever after with your LI....go ahead

They could have made the 'happy' ending really hard to acheive maybe, but the choice was not given, even though BW have said the trilogy was about our choices

[Dude_in_the_Room]

Chugster wrote...

the point is, BW could have given everyone the ability to choose.....sacrifice Shep to save the galaxy? No probs....Live happily ever after with your LI....go ahead

They could have made the 'happy' ending really hard to acheive maybe, but the choice was not given, even though BW have said the trilogy was about our choices

This actually would have been.....grrrrreeeaaat.

Something for everyone.  How the hell did they not come up with this idea.  Each decision has a consequence but still you get what you want.

[Dr_Extrem]

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Happy endings > Fake depressing trying too hard to be "artistic" crappy endings.

Downing a beer over a dead Reaper corpse with your buddy > Everyone turning green or be subjected to a Shepard that now controls the Reapers and pray to him everyday that he doesn't flip the retard switch in his mind on "On" and kills everyone.

Just saying.

Just b/c the ending was written bad in this story doesn't mean that sort of ending is bad all around.

Sacrifice ending > rainbow, unicorn, child's cartoon happy ending

Megaton_Hope wrote...


Dude in the room: Epic of Gilgamesh? I wouldn't call it popular though, really.

The Bible

Seeing the labour of your work and drinking beer with your buddies while Grunt pees on a Reaper Corpse, then celebrating those that gave their lives in battle > Sacrifice ending.

I play to win.

Yeah....that didn't happen.  And never will.  So whatever.

But it says something when you seemed more worried about your character seeing his victory and celebrating other lives lost....but just not yours.

Thats why sacrifice ending = grown up ending.

not in general.

"the hero who gives his life to save the day" is maybe the oldest cliché in writing history - and one of the cheesiest.


the problem is, that a shepard who sacrifices himself for the greater good. can do it, without the fear to face the repercussions of the decision.

mindgame: what if synthesis does not alter the galaxy for good but for the worse. the crucibles energy transforms everything into "husks", who dont have free will and are just docile. a dead shepard would not have to care - he gives up all responsibility by dying (devil-may-care). a living shepard would have to live in this world and face the horrors he brought onto the galaxy. i would call THIS a grown up ending, that even has a superior wisdom.


btw ... "grown up" and "mass effect 3" (cheese deluxe) in the same context is a bold statement.

i think you're exaggerating it a little.  It might be a "tried and true" climax, but....

well....how many cartoons, bedtime stories, fairy tales, and whatnot have you read, heard or seen where everyone is happy at the end.

And yes....most of them are childrens stories.

well .. i grew up with "grimms märchen" ...


sacrifice is a nice theme and if done well, it is very deep and mature but it has to be done well ... mass effect 3s ending is not.

but the same holds true, for happier endings - if done well and in a logical way, they can be very mature.


kids love grimms märchen ... its one of the most printed collection of childhood stories - and they are brutal. your children argument is deep like a rainpond .. like mass effects 3s story/ending.

[Dude_in_the_Room]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Happy endings > Fake depressing trying too hard to be "artistic" crappy endings.

Downing a beer over a dead Reaper corpse with your buddy > Everyone turning green or be subjected to a Shepard that now controls the Reapers and pray to him everyday that he doesn't flip the retard switch in his mind on "On" and kills everyone.

Just saying.

Just b/c the ending was written bad in this story doesn't mean that sort of ending is bad all around.

Sacrifice ending > rainbow, unicorn, child's cartoon happy ending

Megaton_Hope wrote...


Dude in the room: Epic of Gilgamesh? I wouldn't call it popular though, really.

The Bible

Seeing the labour of your work and drinking beer with your buddies while Grunt pees on a Reaper Corpse, then celebrating those that gave their lives in battle > Sacrifice ending.

I play to win.

Yeah....that didn't happen.  And never will.  So whatever.

But it says something when you seemed more worried about your character seeing his victory and celebrating other lives lost....but just not yours.

Thats why sacrifice ending = grown up ending.

not in general.

"the hero who gives his life to save the day" is maybe the oldest cliché in writing history - and one of the cheesiest.


the problem is, that a shepard who sacrifices himself for the greater good. can do it, without the fear to face the repercussions of the decision.

mindgame: what if synthesis does not alter the galaxy for good but for the worse. the crucibles energy transforms everything into "husks", who dont have free will and are just docile. a dead shepard would not have to care - he gives up all responsibility by dying (devil-may-care). a living shepard would have to live in this world and face the horrors he brought onto the galaxy. i would call THIS a grown up ending, that even has a superior wisdom.


btw ... "grown up" and "mass effect 3" (cheese deluxe) in the same context is a bold statement.

i think you're exaggerating it a little.  It might be a "tried and true" climax, but....

well....how many cartoons, bedtime stories, fairy tales, and whatnot have you read, heard or seen where everyone is happy at the end.

And yes....most of them are childrens stories.

well .. i grew up with "grimms märchen" ...


sacrifice is a nice theme and if done well, it is very deep and mature but it has to be done well ... mass effect 3s ending is not.

but the same holds true, for happier endings - if done well and in a logical way, they can be very mature.


kids love grimms märchen ... its one of the most printed collection of childhood stories - and they are brutal. your children argument is deep like a rainpond .. like mass effects 3s story/ending.

So you've got one example and I can think of....

Cinderalla
Snow White
Jack and the Bean Stalk
Any Disney short cartoon
Space Jam
The Wizard of Oz
Toy Story 1,2,3
Any Pixar story actually

Mostly childrens stories.  B/c we want children to be happy.