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[Dr_Extrem]

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Happy endings > Fake depressing trying too hard to be "artistic" crappy endings.

Downing a beer over a dead Reaper corpse with your buddy > Everyone turning green or be subjected to a Shepard that now controls the Reapers and pray to him everyday that he doesn't flip the retard switch in his mind on "On" and kills everyone.

Just saying.

Just b/c the ending was written bad in this story doesn't mean that sort of ending is bad all around.

Sacrifice ending > rainbow, unicorn, child's cartoon happy ending

Megaton_Hope wrote...


Dude in the room: Epic of Gilgamesh? I wouldn't call it popular though, really.

The Bible

Seeing the labour of your work and drinking beer with your buddies while Grunt pees on a Reaper Corpse, then celebrating those that gave their lives in battle > Sacrifice ending.

I play to win.

Yeah....that didn't happen.  And never will.  So whatever.

But it says something when you seemed more worried about your character seeing his victory and celebrating other lives lost....but just not yours.

Thats why sacrifice ending = grown up ending.

not in general.

"the hero who gives his life to save the day" is maybe the oldest cliché in writing history - and one of the cheesiest.


the problem is, that a shepard who sacrifices himself for the greater good. can do it, without the fear to face the repercussions of the decision.

mindgame: what if synthesis does not alter the galaxy for good but for the worse. the crucibles energy transforms everything into "husks", who dont have free will and are just docile. a dead shepard would not have to care - he gives up all responsibility by dying (devil-may-care). a living shepard would have to live in this world and face the horrors he brought onto the galaxy. i would call THIS a grown up ending, that even has a superior wisdom.


btw ... "grown up" and "mass effect 3" (cheese deluxe) in the same context is a bold statement.

i think you're exaggerating it a little.  It might be a "tried and true" climax, but....

well....how many cartoons, bedtime stories, fairy tales, and whatnot have you read, heard or seen where everyone is happy at the end.

And yes....most of them are childrens stories.

well .. i grew up with "grimms märchen" ...


sacrifice is a nice theme and if done well, it is very deep and mature but it has to be done well ... mass effect 3s ending is not.

but the same holds true, for happier endings - if done well and in a logical way, they can be very mature.


kids love grimms märchen ... its one of the most printed collection of childhood stories - and they are brutal. your children argument is deep like a rainpond .. like mass effects 3s story/ending.

So you've got one example and I can think of....

Cinderalla
Snow White
Jack and the Bean Stalk
Any Disney short cartoon
Space Jam
The Wizard of Oz
Toy Story 1,2,3
Any Pixar story actually

Mostly childrens stories.  B/c we want children to be happy.

obviously, yo have never read grimms märchen ... what a shame.


i love jack and the bean straw

[Dude_in_the_Room]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Happy endings > Fake depressing trying too hard to be "artistic" crappy endings.

Downing a beer over a dead Reaper corpse with your buddy > Everyone turning green or be subjected to a Shepard that now controls the Reapers and pray to him everyday that he doesn't flip the retard switch in his mind on "On" and kills everyone.

Just saying.

Just b/c the ending was written bad in this story doesn't mean that sort of ending is bad all around.

Sacrifice ending > rainbow, unicorn, child's cartoon happy ending

Megaton_Hope wrote...


Dude in the room: Epic of Gilgamesh? I wouldn't call it popular though, really.

The Bible

Seeing the labour of your work and drinking beer with your buddies while Grunt pees on a Reaper Corpse, then celebrating those that gave their lives in battle > Sacrifice ending.

I play to win.

Yeah....that didn't happen.  And never will.  So whatever.

But it says something when you seemed more worried about your character seeing his victory and celebrating other lives lost....but just not yours.

Thats why sacrifice ending = grown up ending.

not in general.

"the hero who gives his life to save the day" is maybe the oldest cliché in writing history - and one of the cheesiest.


the problem is, that a shepard who sacrifices himself for the greater good. can do it, without the fear to face the repercussions of the decision.

mindgame: what if synthesis does not alter the galaxy for good but for the worse. the crucibles energy transforms everything into "husks", who dont have free will and are just docile. a dead shepard would not have to care - he gives up all responsibility by dying (devil-may-care). a living shepard would have to live in this world and face the horrors he brought onto the galaxy. i would call THIS a grown up ending, that even has a superior wisdom.


btw ... "grown up" and "mass effect 3" (cheese deluxe) in the same context is a bold statement.

i think you're exaggerating it a little.  It might be a "tried and true" climax, but....

well....how many cartoons, bedtime stories, fairy tales, and whatnot have you read, heard or seen where everyone is happy at the end.

And yes....most of them are childrens stories.

well .. i grew up with "grimms märchen" ...


sacrifice is a nice theme and if done well, it is very deep and mature but it has to be done well ... mass effect 3s ending is not.

but the same holds true, for happier endings - if done well and in a logical way, they can be very mature.


kids love grimms märchen ... its one of the most printed collection of childhood stories - and they are brutal. your children argument is deep like a rainpond .. like mass effects 3s story/ending.

So you've got one example and I can think of....

Cinderalla
Snow White
Jack and the Bean Stalk
Any Disney short cartoon
Space Jam
The Wizard of Oz
Toy Story 1,2,3
Any Pixar story actually

Mostly childrens stories.  B/c we want children to be happy.

obviously, yo have never read grimms märchen ... what a shame.


i love jack and the bean straw

I don't get it.  You gave an example for you point of view and I gave some for mine.

[Dr_Extrem]

have you seen the video until the end?

for someone who likes deep, mature and symbolic endings, this should be very obvious.


edit:
my opinion on why people like happy endings - another analogy

Modifié par Dr_Extrem, 19 mars 2013 - 11:31 .

[Archonsg]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

have you seen the video until the end?

for someone who likes deep, mature and symbolic endings, this should be very obvious.


edit:
my opinion on why people like happy endings - another analogy

Now, that clip was indeed rather thought provoking and "deep".

ME3's ending, is not.

[Mordanticus]

Vuduu wrote...

Like many people, I was dissatisfied with the three possible Mass Effect endings.  After dozens and dozens of hours playing three Mass Effect games, what I wanted from the ending was very simple.  I wanted to WIN.  I wanted to see the strength of the heroes crush the Reapers. 

I knew there would be sacrifices.  Legion, Thane, Kaiden/Ash, Mordin, and millions of innocents gave their lives to put an end to the Reaper threat.   I thought that, much like at the end of Mass Effect 2, my choices would enable me to find a way to save the rest of my crew, save the rest of the galaxy, and wipe the Reapers out.

I never expected that at the last minute, a brand new character would appear and yank the rug out from under me.  Suddenly, there’s no way to win.  Sure, you can destroy the Reapers, but you have kill off a friend and an entire species to do it.

This is 100% accurate for me as well.. I just wish that Bioware would see the devotion of fans and actually fix the ending once and for all.. Its never too late..

Hold the Line.. For life..

[Apocaleepse360]

Good work. People like you are the reason why I took up PC gaming.

[Reapling]

Great job man. Hopefully, BioWare will be able to provide answers sooner or later.

[Iakus]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

have you seen the video until the end?

for someone who likes deep, mature and symbolic endings, this should be very obvious.


edit:
my opinion on why people like happy endings - another analogy

Good old Pratchett.  Also good:

Exactly what the fairy tale does is this: it accustoms him for a series of clear pictures to the idea that these limitless terrors had a limit, that these shapeless enemies have enemies in the knights of God, that there is something in the universe more mystical than darkness, and stronger than strong fear.-G. K. Chesterton

Also known by Neil Gaiman's variation:
Fairy tales are more than true — not because they tell us dragons exist, but because they tell us dragons can be beaten

[Iakus]

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

Chugster wrote...

the point is, BW could have given everyone the ability to choose.....sacrifice Shep to save the galaxy? No probs....Live happily ever after with your LI....go ahead

They could have made the 'happy' ending really hard to acheive maybe, but the choice was not given, even though BW have said the trilogy was about our choices

This actually would have been.....grrrrreeeaaat.

Something for everyone.  How the hell did they not come up with this idea.  Each decision has a consequence but still you get what you want.

That's all we wanted.  Options.

[Vuduu]

I think that the "options" part keeps getting left out of this discussion.

This ending was designed to be one of many possible endings, depending on how well you met the challenges of the game. The video is of the "perfect" ending. You maxed out every possible variable, and as a result the Crucible is perfect and works exactly as intended. Anything less, and you have to deal with the consequences (i.e. the Starchild's choices). But if you really busted your butt, did all the side quests, gathered all the resources, and were 100% locked and ready to rock, then when you plug in the Crucible it powers up, fires, and you save the day.

As iakus said, "Options."

[Vuduu]

Also, we keep coming back to the whole "there's no sacrifice in this ending".

Mordin.
Legion.
Thane.
Anderson.

That's not enough sacrifice for you?

Maybe I SHOULD make a version in which a magical unicorn uses the power of rainbows to resurrect everyone who died over the course of three games. Then folks would really have something to complain about!

[Adoramei]

Vuduu wrote...

Also, we keep coming back to the whole "there's no sacrifice in this ending".

Mordin.
Legion.
Thane.
Anderson.

That's not enough sacrifice for you?

Maybe I SHOULD make a version in which a magical unicorn uses the power of rainbows to resurrect everyone who died over the course of three games. Then folks would really have something to complain about!

If you make an ending where the Crucible opens into Candy Mountain and Shepard meets Charlie the Unicorn, these unicorn fans may be grateful. Because they keep harping on it and all..

[BassStyles]

Actually I prefer this ending even over the MEHEM (though their work is great) I would just love it more if you could make Miranda say "Shepard" instead of Liara and once the credits are finished rolling I can play Citadel (since it starts over before TIM base) and head cannon that is a reunion DLC. :-D

[Jadebaby]

Well done! This looks like it has great potential!

[Neizd]

Great video. Would love to have an ending like this...I can't comprehend why Bioware didn't create a "win" option for all of those full paragon Shepards that made all the right choices.

[NCommand]

I'm content with the trilogy ending with Shepard, not as a hero, but as a legend, that's the difference between surviving or sacrifice

[BassStyles]

Well that's kinda why I like this one over MEHEM... I don't have to be shown that Shepard lives.

This one does a good job of showing that Destroy doesn't needlessly wipe out all the Geth after j just brokered a peace deal between the Quarians and Geth, just had a conversation with EDI expressing her gratitude about making her feel human for the first time, and ending it kind of in the same fashion as Bioware had intended it with the high EMS destroy (ambiguous) except your LI finds you.

If you die there in the arms of your LI as they uncover your body, die a legend that way. If you survive, you can play the Citadel DLC and pretend you are meeting everyone a couple of years after the war.

Modifié par BassStyles, 21 mars 2013 - 02:38 .

[Vuduu]

BassStyles wrote...

Actually I prefer this ending even over the MEHEM (though their work is great) I would just love it more if you could make Miranda say "Shepard" instead of Liara and once the credits are finished rolling I can play Citadel (since it starts over before TIM base) and head cannon that is a reunion DLC. :-D

I like this!  I hadn't thought about using the Citadel DLC as a reunion rather than where it's been put in the storyline by Bioware.  Very cool!

Making alternate versions of this ending with a different LI voice is pretty easy but time consuming.  If there's a big demand for that, I can focus on having different people find Shepard in the rubble.

First up would be Jack, but that's just because she was my Shep's LI.  

[Dr. Megaverse]

Ehrmegerd that was fantastic! I also like this even more than the MEHEM. I too agree I'd like it to be Miri's voice, but all things that can be tweaked. Fantastic work! Makes me both happier to see this as its the ending I wanted, and saddened to see how EAware fumbled the ball IMO! Again, great work!

Modifié par Dr. Megaverse, 21 mars 2013 - 06:42 .

[jules_vern18]

 So this is pretty much exactly the ending I've been looking for - MEHEM is amazing, but it tries to do way too much imho and the added voice acting is somewhat...immersion-breaking.  

Is there any way to make this video into a full-featured mod?  One where the player's unique choices/sacrifices/accomplishments are reflected?  Because (at least for me) this simple reworking of the ending would be PERFECT if implemented in game.  

Is there anybody working on this?

Modifié par jules_vern18, 21 mars 2013 - 08:01 .

[bip78]

- 2min to close - inc with hero ending.

Modifié par bip78, 21 mars 2013 - 08:05 .

[Seival]

Don't wanna interrupt a chat, but what is fan-fiction related topic doing in the story section of the forums?

[SiriusXI]

Seival wrote...

Don't wanna interrupt a chat, but what is fan-fiction related topic doing in the story section of the forums?

1. You did interrupt our chat, so if you don't want to take part in it, please leave.

2. What is the crappy, incoherent Mass Effect 3 ending doing in a game (series) that had up until then been relatively well, and coherently told?

[Seival]

SiriusXI wrote...

Seival wrote...

Don't wanna interrupt a chat, but what is fan-fiction related topic doing in the story section of the forums?

1. You did interrupt our chat, so if you don't want to take part in it, please leave.

2. What is the crappy, incoherent Mass Effect 3 ending doing in a game (series) that had up until then been relatively well, and coherently told?

I will not stay here for more than one more post, which is:

There are many people who like the ending. Your opinion on the ending is just your opinion. That opinion doesn't convert fan-fiction into something official. There is a fan-fiction section of the forums and this thread should be moved there.

Modifié par Seival, 21 mars 2013 - 08:36 .