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[Dr. Megaverse]

Seival wrote...

SiriusXI wrote...

Seival wrote..

Don't wanna interrupt a chat, but what is fan-fiction related topic doing in the story section of the forums?

1. You did interrupt our chat, so if you don't want to take part in it, please leave.

2. What is the crappy, incoherent Mass Effect 3 ending doing in a game (series) that had up until then been relatively well, and coherently told?

I will not stay here for more than one more post, which is:

There are many people who like the ending. Your opinion on the ending is just your opinion. That opinion doesn't convert fan-fiction into something official. There is a fan-fiction section of the forums and this thread should be moved there.

I'm sure this thread being here is ruining your BSN experience and your personal opinion on the end has nothing to do with it..........

[JoltDealer]

Victory comes with a cost. Always. Doesn't mean every ending has to be tragic, but few endings are ever won without some kind of sacrifice. While I appreciate your hard work, and the crusading of many fans here on the forums, I must make a request. Move on from the ending of Mass Effect 3 and direct your efforts towards making Mass Effect 4 a better game. While admire your efforts, you're kicking a dead horse.

Your talent is needed elsewhere.

[Adoramei]

Eh, there are plenty of fans here who need it too. What they deem important to them is what is important to them.

[jules_vern18]

Yeah, I don't see why fanfiction or a mod that changes the ending for the remaining players who need it is controversial. No one is forcing you to view, adopt, or in any way experience it.

As for making ME4 a better game, there are those like me who can't even play ME4 (or any ME3 DLC for that matter) because the ending ruined the franchise that badly for them. Some might think that's ridiculous or that we should just "move on" and accept it, but one thing I've learned from the Mass Effect Trilogy is that everybody experiences this game differently.

One player might hate the ending but feel that it doesn't ruin the entire story. Another might love the endings and needs no further changes. Some need another option or they're going to have to leave Mass Effect altogether. Have some empathy for those in the latter camp, because their only reason for wanting that option is because they love this story just as much as you do.

I sincerely hope this is made into a mod. I would even happily give Bioware some of my money for DLC once I can experience an un-officially patched/changed/restructured ending to the story. People might disagree with the premise of that, but it's what I'm looking for as a fellow fan.

To each their own.

Modifié par jules_vern18, 22 mars 2013 - 06:29 .

[Darth Spike]

I agree with you Jules_Vern18, I'd happily pay for our 'good' ending. They just have to make it and let everyone know what is in it and how much it would cost. I think it would be one of the best selling DLC's they make for the Me universe. I know plenty of people who would buy that one and all the other ones as well. They just refuse to buy any DLc's until the ending changes.


I't would give them a nice ammount of money as well (for those at Bioware that only care about money). It would also end all of this pointless and destructive fighting between gamers. I've seen friend turn on friend because of the ME 3 endings. It rips at my heart to see ME and people being tainted by all of the fighting.


I just want the fighting to stop and people to get along with each other again. And for the ME universe to go back to simply being and epic game and one that all gamers love.

[Vuduu]

jules_vern18 wrote...

As for making ME4 a better game, there are those like me who can't even play ME4 (or any ME3 DLC for that matter) because the ending ruined the franchise that badly for them. Some might think that's ridiculous or that we should just "move on" and accept it, but one thing I've learned from the Mass Effect Trilogy is that everybody experiences this game differently. 

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I sincerely hope this is made into a mod. I would even happily give Bioware some of my money for DLC once I can experience an un-officially patched/changed/restructured ending to the story. People might disagree with the premise of that, but it's what I'm looking for as a fellow fan.

This.  EXACTLY this.

This is why I made this ending.  Not only because I needed a better ending to the saga, but because the endings that Bioware offered completely killed the saga for me.  I'll be honesty - I haven't bought any of the DLCs nor have I played in multiplayer since I saw that they weren't going to fix the endings.  

But if Bioware patched in an option to have an ending like The Hero Ending?  I'd be back, and they'd get more of my money.

[ChrisDV]

This is why people say all of the ending complaints were just because we didn't get an Everybody Lives Happy Ending, y'know.

[Vuduu]

I'm starting to think I need a standard copy/paste response to the "everybody lives" critique.

[phat0817]

I wish they changed that ending but sadly they won't O'well....

[NCommand]

ChrisDV wrote...

This is why people say all of the ending complaints were just because we didn't get an Everybody Lives Happy Ending, y'know.

All they need is one fan ending where Shepard dies or it's left ambigous, but no, resurrects like Jesus himself every time

If someone tries to make some work on the Catalyst for example, change model, give som visual examples to help with the narrative, then I would be impressed, now it's just making the ending less comprehensible and having Shepard ride into the sunset like the western hero he is

Modifié par NCommand, 22 mars 2013 - 03:28 .

[Dr_Extrem]

NCommand wrote...

ChrisDV wrote...

This is why people say all of the ending complaints were just because we didn't get an Everybody Lives Happy Ending, y'know.

All they need is one fan ending where Shepard dies or it's left ambigous, but no, resurrects like Jesus himself every time

If someone tries to make some work on the Catalyst for example, change model, give som visual examples to help with the narrative, then I would be impressed, now it's just making the ending less comprehensible and having Shepard ride into the sunset like the western hero he is

this was already done ... several months ago

its called the meem (right WITHOUT the H in the middle). this mod is not bad ...


but i prefer the "clint eastwood" ending.

[Vuduu]

It never ceases to amaze me how grumpy the people are who like the endings as they are. I wonder how they'd feel if the situation were reversed.

Yes, I wanted a happy ending. I'm not ashamed of it.

[NCommand]

Vuduu wrote...

It never ceases to amaze me how grumpy the people are who like the endings as they are. I wonder how they'd feel if the situation were reversed.

Yes, I wanted a happy ending. I'm not ashamed of it.

No problem with that, just want people to be honest, if not it becomes difficult knowing how to please people

[JoltDealer]

jules_vern18 wrote...
SNIP

You make a lot of good points, and I sympathize with you.  Hell, your username is awesome!  In all seriousness, I understand what you mean.  I really do.  After I beat Mass Effect 3 the first time, I couldn't bring myself to play it for a t least a couple of months aside from the multiplayer.  I had almost no desire to play that game again.  But eventually I did, or at least for the sake of the DLC, which people still think is awful almost exclusively because it didn't change the endings.  I would say that Bioware did their best to meet the fans halfway, but others would disagree so I won't get into it.  'Tis a debate for another thread.

Usually I try to be as nice and polite as I can possibly be, whether on the web or in real life, but I feel the need to be blunt here.  I sympathize and I understand where many of you are coming from.  The series has been ruined for you by the last half hour of an otherwise good game and I can relate!  However, you need to move on.  Instead of trying to ensure that the next game is a joy for all of the fans, many of you continue to cry over spilled milk and waste time.  Bioware has said, they are never going to change the ending and they have been saying that for a while now.  I understand that everyone experiences this game differently, but we've been complaining about it for over a year now.  When I was a kid, I got yelled at or smacked for crying and whining about something for twenty minutes too long, much less a year.  If you had a bad breakup and you're still depressed an entire year later, your buddies would take you out for a drink and tell you that you need to move on.  What's wrong with the old Bioware Social Community coming together again to make Mass Effect 4 the game we all want it to be?

[jules_vern18]

Crimson Sound wrote...

jules_vern18 wrote...
SNIP

You make a lot of good points, and I sympathize with you.  Hell, your username is awesome!  In all seriousness, I understand what you mean.  I really do.  After I beat Mass Effect 3 the first time, I couldn't bring myself to play it for a t least a couple of months aside from the multiplayer.  I had almost no desire to play that game again.  But eventually I did, or at least for the sake of the DLC, which people still think is awful almost exclusively because it didn't change the endings.  I would say that Bioware did their best to meet the fans halfway, but others would disagree so I won't get into it.  'Tis a debate for another thread.

Usually I try to be as nice and polite as I can possibly be, whether on the web or in real life, but I feel the need to be blunt here.  I sympathize and I understand where many of you are coming from.  The series has been ruined for you by the last half hour of an otherwise good game and I can relate!  However, you need to move on.  Instead of trying to ensure that the next game is a joy for all of the fans, many of you continue to cry over spilled milk and waste time.  Bioware has said, they are never going to change the ending and they have been saying that for a while now.  I understand that everyone experiences this game differently, but we've been complaining about it for over a year now.  When I was a kid, I got yelled at or smacked for crying and whining about something for twenty minutes too long, much less a year.  If you had a bad breakup and you're still depressed an entire year later, your buddies would take you out for a drink and tell you that you need to move on.  What's wrong with the old Bioware Social Community coming together again to make Mass Effect 4 the game we all want it to be?

I guess I'm still not sure what the argument is - neither of us is asking for or expecting Bioware to change the ending.  I'm just hoping that some amateur dev here on the forums decides to mod this concept into the game (like MEHEM) so that I can once again enjoy ME3 and join the rest of you lovely folks in talking about the good parts of the game.

There are literally only 2 options moving forward for me as a fan.

1.  Play a modded version of the game implementing this concept (or one very close to it), buy the Citadel (and possibly Omega) dlc, and look forward to what the next ME game will look like and whether or not it will fit into this new catalyst-free canon.

2.  Uninstall Mass Effect 1, 2, and 3.  Leave the forums and abandon Mass Effect as a franchise.

I know it sounds cut and dry, but this is where I'm at.  Luckily, neither of these paths really has an effect on you - so you don't have to worry about it

[jules_vern18]

NCommand wrote...

Vuduu wrote...

It never ceases to amaze me how grumpy the people are who like the endings as they are. I wonder how they'd feel if the situation were reversed.

Yes, I wanted a happy ending. I'm not ashamed of it.

No problem with that, just want people to be honest, if not it becomes difficult knowing how to please people

With respect, you might be assuming that people like this ending just because or primarily because it's "happy" (I won't say "everybody lives" because if you watch the video everybody clearly does not).  If this video cut off before the breath scene and there was no indication that Shepard survived, I would be fine with that (although in the spirit of Mass Effect, shouldn't multiple options be available?).

My interest in this mod is in it's total removal of the catalyst as a plot device.  Even fans who love the ending have to admit that there are flaws in the concept if the ending works THIS WELL with an entire character and plot resolution cut out of it.  

I don't need my endings to be happy.  I do need them to keep thematic and narrative cohesion with the rest of the story.

[Vuduu]

jules_vern18 wrote...

I don't need my endings to be happy.  I do need them to keep thematic and narrative cohesion with the rest of the story.

That's a very good point.  To be honest, I DID want my ending to be happy.  But I also did want it to fit with the rest of the story.

[Spartas Husky]

My fire against bioware grows ever bigger everytime someone comes up with a good ending.

Still no rachni or primes tearing the reapers a new one but... sigh
Damn you EA...Is a bit better when star brat hudson isn't around.

Regardless when it comes to the endings, we deserve a happy ending.

This theme isn't about good or bad, is about what we have been shown.

Impossible odds throuh fellowship and effort will lead to the immortal heror/ine to succeed and come home. It is not realistic but we put a sense of realism aside to have our faith and effort that was put into this series rewarded.

It is a fictional universe afterall. So if the choices were effective, a hero/ine coming home should not be out of the question.

Modifié par Spartas Husky, 27 mars 2013 - 09:17 .

[Bierwichtel]

just need to voice my grievances with those people who compare this and MEHEM...

please don't
(sorry OP, but it's the truth...) this is just a video, not an actual mod...

just tell us, what you like better about this than MEHEM and vice-versa... in a constructive manner, if you please...

just p'sses me off, that some people seemingly just completely discount all the effort that went into MEHEM in favour of a video... (again no offence, Vuduu, you put a lot of effort into this, too...)... I'll clamber off my soap box now... see you next week...

[Spartas Husky]

I'm not sure. I've onyl seen MEHEME ...twice so I can't exactly tell what is the difference?. I'll do it tonight see what it is

[Bierwichtel]

Spartas Husky wrote...

I'm not sure. I've onyl seen MEHEME ...twice so I can't exactly tell what is the difference?. I'll do it tonight see what it is

difference is, that MEHEM is an actual mod... where YOUR Shepard appears, no matter if femShep or Sheploo, no matter the LI, even though it's still work in progress...

[Spartas Husky]

Bierwichtel wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

I'm not sure. I've onyl seen MEHEME ...twice so I can't exactly tell what is the difference?. I'll do it tonight see what it is

difference is, that MEHEM is an actual mod... where YOUR Shepard appears, no matter if femShep or Sheploo, no matter the LI, even though it's still work in progress...

Well I know is a mod. I was speaking about the actual ending lore. Not so much the character itself. I do know however this is pieced differently.

The synthesis ending is shown in the vid and the green goo is toned down, so with destroy synthetics survive. And somehow at the end when the shep is taking a breath the LI says Shepard in a distressed tone. So he or she w/e the author must have pasted that after.

So yes yours is a mod the OP is a vid, alot more freedom in a vid than a mod. I prefer Vid or Comic alllows more freedom with the story. Hence why my fav until now is Marauder shields. I love the idea... and I do really mean I LOVE, the idea that Marauder beofre the beam was somehow you emt before. Wont say who but is a really nice touch. Somewhat space magiky... but sitll amazing.

[Vuduu]

 Hey everyone,

So as you know I've been out of the ME3 scene for quite a whle, since my son was born right after I completed the Hero Ending.  It was only a few weeks ago that I even heard of the MEHEM mod.  Since there seems to be a lot of discussion about it now, I thought I'd say something about it.

Awesome.  Amazing.  Inspiring.  Excellent.

There is no way that I am going to criticize or try to pick apart any aspect of it.  The MEHEM mod team and I both faced the same issues - trying to build an ending using cut & paste that looks as professional as the ending that Bioware made with millions of dollars of time and talent.  They used mod tools that they built for the project.  I used dozens of hours of time with commercial video editing software.  The end result was the same - both endings are fantastic.

Some folks like the pacing and story of the Hero Ending, and others like the pacing and story of the MEHEM ending.  To each his or her own.  The point is, we all wanted to see an ending where Shepard lives and where the Starchild never existed.

If you like EITHER of the endings, I suggest you keep posting on this thread and on the MEHEM thread.  And while you're at it, ask Bioware to please listen to the fans and code some version of these endings into a DLC.

And to Bioware, please take this to heart.  Your fans LOVE these three games.  They really do.  The work and passion that has gone into both of these endings is clear proof of that.  I ask you to please, take a step back from your determination to stick to the "official" endings, and consider giving the fans what they want.  If nothing else, you'll bring hundreds, maybe thousands of fans back into the fold, and ready to buy more DLC and the next ME game.  And that's good for business.

Thanks,
Vuduu
The Hero Ending author

[Bierwichtel]

Spartas Husky wrote...

Bierwichtel wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

I'm not sure. I've onyl seen MEHEME ...twice so I can't exactly tell what is the difference?. I'll do it tonight see what it is

difference is, that MEHEM is an actual mod... where YOUR Shepard appears, no matter if femShep or Sheploo, no matter the LI, even though it's still work in progress...

Well I know is a mod. I was speaking about the actual ending lore. Not so much the character itself. I do know however this is pieced differently.

The synthesis ending is shown in the vid and the green goo is toned down, so with destroy synthetics survive. And somehow at the end when the shep is taking a breath the LI says Shepard in a distressed tone. So he or she w/e the author must have pasted that after.

So yes yours is a mod the OP is a vid, alot more freedom in a vid than a mod. I prefer Vid or Comic alllows more freedom with the story. Hence why my fav until now is Marauder shields. I love the idea... and I do really mean I LOVE, the idea that Marauder beofre the beam was somehow you emt before. Wont say who but is a really nice touch. Somewhat space magiky... but sitll amazing.

I admit, Marauder shields comic is an internet meme unto itself...

[Bierwichtel]

Vuduu wrote...

 Hey everyone,

So as you know I've been out of the ME3 scene for quite a whle, since my son was born right after I completed the Hero Ending.  It was only a few weeks ago that I even heard of the MEHEM mod.  Since there seems to be a lot of discussion about it now, I thought I'd say something about it.

Awesome.  Amazing.  Inspiring.  Excellent.

There is no way that I am going to criticize or try to pick apart any aspect of it.  The MEHEM mod team and I both faced the same issues - trying to build an ending using cut & paste that looks as professional as the ending that Bioware made with millions of dollars of time and talent.  They used mod tools that they built for the project.  I used dozens of hours of time with commercial video editing software.  The end result was the same - both endings are fantastic.

Some folks like the pacing and story of the Hero Ending, and others like the pacing and story of the MEHEM ending.  To each his or her own.  The point is, we all wanted to see an ending where Shepard lives and where the Starchild never existed.

If you like EITHER of the endings, I suggest you keep posting on this thread and on the MEHEM thread.  And while you're at it, ask Bioware to please listen to the fans and code some version of these endings into a DLC.

And to Bioware, please take this to heart.  Your fans LOVE these three games.  They really do.  The work and passion that has gone into both of these endings is clear proof of that.  I ask you to please, take a step back from your determination to stick to the "official" endings, and consider giving the fans what they want.  If nothing else, you'll bring hundreds, maybe thousands of fans back into the fold, and ready to buy more DLC and the next ME game.  And that's good for business.

Thanks,
Vuduu
The Hero Ending author

best wishes to you, mate... hope fatherhood suits you...