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[brusher225]

Good job on the ending. I could go for that.

On a side note, while watching this video, I thought about all the different endings fans have put together. Some, video. Some simply written. I thought, isn't it amazing that fans feel compelled to patch together various endings, using material they could find in the game files, in order to find some kind of completion? I mean it's really sad when you think about it. It says a lot doesn't it? Mainly, just how abandaned fans really feel by ME. I mean, has this ever been done before for a game? And to this degree?

[Iakus]

Vuduu wrote...

I'm hesitant to add in any footage that isn't already part of the official ending. I've seen some other fan-made endings, and they are really choppy. Once you start using stuff from ME1 (and even ME2), you can see the difference in quality.

I wonder if I can steal anything from the god-like Control ending to use as a "Shepard is alive" scene. I'd also love to do a "Shepard reunited with his love interest" scene, but then you're looking at a LOT of scenes to account for all the possible love interests. Since I chose to romance Jack, I dunno how many fans it would have! At least *I* would be happy!

I'd skip reunion scenes.  As you noted, there's just too many variables to go over, especially with the LIs.  Ending slides would have to be used for that, if anything.

I'd just stick with "Shepard Lives"  Heck, even sticking some kind of voiceover with the breath scene or memorial that indicates Shep's been found would be great.

[ForThessia]

diddnt care about the geth, loved EDI though and wish i could save her

[Vuduu]

Ok how about this ...

In the final scene, as we pan up through the wreckage of the Citadel, we hear the sounds of a search party. General rustling, metal clanking, murmuring ... and then someone says "Shepard?" A heartbeat of a pause and THEN the gasp. Cut to black.

What do you think? I could probably do that pretty easily. Stock sounds of a "search party", and the voice of any of the main characters saying "Shepard". I could keep the music in the background too.

Would that be enough to let people know that not only is he alive, he's also been found?

Heck, if I were Bioware, the voice that said "Shepard" would be the voice of Shepard's Love Interest.

[Galenwolf]

Yep, that works for me perfectly.

I can be ok with the idea that the fleets are not enough, but I want a way to make sure the Geth and EDI don't end up dying.

Billions of Humans, Turians, Asari, Salarians, Volus, Drell, Hanner etc are dead.
At least 3 crew members are dead, and other friends as well.
The whole game had more death than your average warhammer 40k novel.
I want an ending where I don't feel like **** afterwards - its been a awful year for me as it is since my mother died, I don't need a game to force feed me bull**** like the destory ending. I'm ****ing sick of it.

Modifié par Galenwolf, 24 juillet 2012 - 01:56 .

[Fawx9]

Vuduu wrote...

Ok how about this ...

In the final scene, as we pan up through the wreckage of the Citadel, we hear the sounds of a search party. General rustling, metal clanking, murmuring ... and then someone says "Shepard?" A heartbeat of a pause and THEN the gasp. Cut to black.

What do you think? I could probably do that pretty easily. Stock sounds of a "search party", and the voice of any of the main characters saying "Shepard". I could keep the music in the background too.

Would that be enough to let people know that not only is he alive, he's also been found?

Heck, if I were Bioware, the voice that said "Shepard" would be the voice of Shepard's Love Interest.

The idea I played with would be to have the !Shepard say the found Shepard.

So Meer for femShep and Hale for maleShep, it would cut down on LI bickering and such if there needs to be cuts and somewhat fun at the same time.

[artificial-ignorance]

brusher225 wrote...

Good job on the ending. I could go for that.

On a side note, while watching this video, I thought about all the different endings fans have put together. Some, video. Some simply written. I thought, isn't it amazing that fans feel compelled to patch together various endings, using material they could find in the game files, in order to find some kind of completion? I mean it's really sad when you think about it. It says a lot doesn't it? Mainly, just how abandaned fans really feel by ME. I mean, has this ever been done before for a game? And to this degree?

I know exactly what you mean, and I feel the same way.  It saddens me...

[Iakus]

Galenwolf wrote...

Yep, that works for me perfectly.

I can be ok with the idea that the fleets are not enough, but I want a way to make sure the Geth and EDI don't end up dying.

Billions of Humans, Turians, Asari, Salarians, Volus, Drell, Hanner etc are dead.
At least 3 crew members are dead, and other friends as well.
The whole game had more death than your average warhammer 40k novel.
I want an ending where I don't feel like **** afterwards - its been a awful year for me as it is since my mother died, I don't need a game to force feed me bull**** like the destory ending. I'm ****ing sick of it.

I've pondered this for a while and I could actually be okay with the death and EDI if it just had some kind of acknowledgement.  I mean, Mordin has his whole "I MADE A MISTAKE!" and "Had to be me" moments.  Thane had his final goodbye to Shepard, even if Kolyat had to say the words.  EDI needed some kind of farewell too.  

Sadly, i don;t think the material to provide that kind of scene exists

[Iakus]

Vuduu wrote...

Ok how about this ...

In the final scene, as we pan up through the wreckage of the Citadel, we hear the sounds of a search party. General rustling, metal clanking, murmuring ... and then someone says "Shepard?" A heartbeat of a pause and THEN the gasp. Cut to black.

What do you think? I could probably do that pretty easily. Stock sounds of a "search party", and the voice of any of the main characters saying "Shepard". I could keep the music in the background too.

Would that be enough to let people know that not only is he alive, he's also been found?

Heck, if I were Bioware, the voice that said "Shepard" would be the voice of Shepard's Love Interest.

That sounds pretty cool.

Pity Anderson led the search party in ME1, or I'd say to look there for footage.  But that would be...odd 

Edit;  Hmm, wonder if there are any sound files of Cerberus troopers going "It's Shepard!" or something.  With the  voice distortion it could be anyone saying that...

Modifié par iakus, 24 juillet 2012 - 02:30 .

[Vuduu]

Hmm ... I know there are several times when the main characters say "Shepard" by itself. I can remember that Wrex says it a lot if you click on him. Liara also has a few "Shepard" moments. Jack as well. The challenge would be getting one that has NO music in the background.

[The Angry One]

Vuduu wrote...

Yeah, I felt the same way.  When I put this ending together I had to decide if I should base it on Refusal or just eliminate the Starchild completely.  It wouldn't be too hard to have Shepard make his speech to Starchild, shoot him, and then trigger the Red Ending.  But that would mean admitting that the Starchild existed.  

You know that'd make no sense, right?
Shooting spacebaby's hologram would do about as much good as shooting TIM's hologram on Mars.

[gert56nom]

v3paR wrote...

Bad example. Kirk cheated in that test

Technicly Kirk didn't cheat, the program that keeps adding enemys, causing system failures & even re-writing the laws of physics in order to win , is what was cheating

[Theobeau]

One of the best things was to not see Starchild.

Good thing to excise him/it from your ending!

[Galenwolf]

The Angry One wrote...

Vuduu wrote...

Yeah, I felt the same way.  When I put this ending together I had to decide if I should base it on Refusal or just eliminate the Starchild completely.  It wouldn't be too hard to have Shepard make his speech to Starchild, shoot him, and then trigger the Red Ending.  But that would mean admitting that the Starchild existed.  

You know that'd make no sense, right?
Shooting spacebaby's hologram would do about as much good as shooting TIM's hologram on Mars.

or every single movie out there.

Person 1: "quick destroy the computers!"
Hero: *puts bullets through the monitors*
Bad Guy: "oh no... what ever shall I do..." *plugs in replacement monitor*.

[Iakus]

The Angry One wrote...

Vuduu wrote...

Yeah, I felt the same way.  When I put this ending together I had to decide if I should base it on Refusal or just eliminate the Starchild completely.  It wouldn't be too hard to have Shepard make his speech to Starchild, shoot him, and then trigger the Red Ending.  But that would mean admitting that the Starchild existed.  

You know that'd make no sense, right?
Shooting spacebaby's hologram would do about as much good as shooting TIM's hologram on Mars.

Or shooting a random pipe.  

[elitehunter34]

I think this is the third ending of this type I've seen so far. I think it actually might be my favorite because you can clearly see EDI alive and it has Shepard directly activating the Crucible. It's amazing how much the ending is improved when you simply remove the Catalyst and the pointless murder of the Geth and EDI.  However, I think you should have removed the seen where the Normandy crashes.  If the Destroy beam only targets Reapers why does the Normandy crash?  Kind of a pointless scene now in your scenario.

Funny how people say that nothing Bioware could do would make us happy. This is what would make us happy Bioware. This is all we need. I would have no problem if it had a high EMS requirement, but an ending like this is what we need.

Vuduu I think that the search party idea is a great one. You should simply have the sounds and then a voice of some of the ME3 squad-mates saying things like "We need to find him/her/Shepard" or "I think he/she/Shepard is over there" with footsteps and ambient sound effects and then ending with "Shepard" in a loud and worried tone said by one of them. Make one for Tali, Garrus, Liara, James, Ashley, Kaiden, hell even Javik. It makes sense that one of them would be the first ones in. They would be looking for Shepard immediately after the Crucible fired.

Modifié par elitehunter34, 24 juillet 2012 - 01:37 .

[LTKerr]

iakus wrote...

That sounds pretty cool.

Pity Anderson led the search party in ME1, or I'd say to look there for footage.  But that would be...odd 

Edit;  Hmm, wonder if there are any sound files of Cerberus troopers going "It's Shepard!" or something.  With the  voice distortion it could be anyone saying that...

Some Cerberus trooper said this on.. Mars, I think. I'm sure someone says that.

[BDelacroix]

An implication that shepard is found (by search party or whatever) would be great. Right now, you just have to convince yourself that the mass of burned flesh isn't just the last gasp before a terribly painful wait for death, alone and in the dark.

[homew3rk]

*sigh* Now why couldn't Bioware just given us this ending? <_<

Vuduu wrote...

I agree, once you take out the Starchild, the ending is much cleaner. So what if we never understand the WHOLE story behind the Reapers? It's enough to know that they an ancient evil from hundreds of thousands of years ago.

I agree.  Not knowing where the Reapers came from, why they existed,  why they wiped out all advanced civiliation every 50,000 years makes them all the more terrifying from an in and out-of universe perspective.  The Reapers have been doing this for at least a billion years (remember the Leviathan of Dis?), kinda makes you think doesn't it?

[BobTheAndroid]

Hi,

Nice work with the video. Will you be considering to make a FemShep version too? Please!!!

I never really liked the whole crucible and catalist nonsense. Such a tipical way to end a franchise. 

So, what if you go by the (I know) the indoctrination theory?  And cut the destruction option part out from the Starchilds dialogue to make the IT more apparent, and  then let Shepard gave her denie speach and than show as she destroys the tube.
So she saved her mind, while (unfortunatelly) of screen the fleet destroys the reapers. And then show the Asari and the Krogan chearing in Tessia and Tuchanka.  No crucible fireing, no Normandy crashing, no escaping fleet, no dead Reapers falling to the grond and no powerpoint presentation. Breath scene and than showing Shepard walk from the control ending. As you previouslly mentiond.

We don't have to take this whole crucible, catalist and cerberus crap seriouslly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Modifié par BobTheAndroid, 24 juillet 2012 - 03:34 .

[Vuduu]

I'm cautious about making changes that involve splicing together footage from multiple sources, or writing a completely new storyline. It's very different to do that in a video than it is to do that in a script. Without the ability to create completely new scenes (something that costs millions of dollars to do), fans have to cobble together clips from the games and try to make them seamless.

If you want to see how hard it is, look at the transition in the video between Shepard holding his bloody side and the exterior view of the Crucible about to fire ("the Crucible is armed!"). Listen to the music in the background. It sounds like it's one unbroken song, changing to a darker tone, but it's not. It's two separate pieces of music that I spliced together for the transition. It took me about two hours to cut that JUST right so that you couldn't tell that it was a fan-made transition (and still, that's my least favorite part of the movie).

Building a whole new ending and making it seem professional would be a monumental task with the tools at hand. Sadly, I don't have time to do it. But I can make minor edits, like putting in the "search party" finding Shepard.

[BobTheAndroid]

I can understand how difficult it can be.
Your ending is awesome, but I think it doesn't need the power point voice over.

[JamieCOTC]

Playing devil's advocate here.

Hindsight being 20/20 a single ending w/out the Starbrat does sound good, but if that was really all we got, wouldn't it have been a little disappointing that there was no confrontation and no big decision at the end? I hate Starbrat w/ a passion, but shouldn't there be something at the end? Some kind of confrontation between Shepard and the Reapers coupled w/ a galaxy changing decision.

[Helltech]

JamieCOTC wrote...

Playing devil's advocate here.

Hindsight being 20/20 a single ending w/out the Starbrat does sound good, but if that was really all we got, wouldn't it have been a little disappointing that there was no confrontation and no big decision at the end? I hate Starbrat w/ a passion, but shouldn't there be something at the end? Some kind of confrontation between Shepard and the Reapers coupled w/ a galaxy changing decision.

Not in my opinion, throughout the entire series I *knew* I would be destroying the reapers, and most people probably assumed or at least at one point figured it would have to be done via mass destruction. I would have excepted some kind of boss fight at the end, but never any decision that wasn't mass destruction of the reapers, again all in my opinion.

[DavianBurke]

I am Commander Shepard and this is the best ending on the Citadel.

Too bad nobody at BioWare had it in them to acknowledge the inclusion of StarChild was a grievous error that needed to be rectified. The importance of appearing to stand in solidarity with their lead writer and out of touch producer was prioritized over salvaging the integrity of their most successful franchise.

As far as I am concerned this video is the canon ending for MY game. Thank you for taking the time to put together a worthwhile ending for us. You have my gratitude.