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[Night Dreams]

Imrahil_ wrote...

Night Dreams wrote...
and being able to actually play as a female character (who isn't a sex object, ala early tomb raider).

Just wondering, seriously, why you chose the name "Night Dreams".  The sentiment & the name choice seem a bit at odds, is all.

It was a silly in-the-moment choice thing. To be honest, I have no idea why, and I keep looking back at it now with regret, but what you going to do? 

[AstraDrakkar]

Well, I am a female and a gamer. I don't play any of those mobile apps and never have. I enjoy RPG's and JRPG's. I also enjoy games like Diablo, Skyrim, various shooters, and I am an avid WOW player. I happen to love PVP in MMO's. (Yes, I play PVP with a sword bashing DK for those of you that play WOW.) I personally don't care for playing the healer role. I like getting up close and personal in PVP, so maybe I'm not the typical female gamer. Basically my taste varies from day to day and I like switching my gaming around from time to time so it doesn't get stale for me.

(yes, I do tank in dungeons from time to time if I'm with a friendly group-lol) 

Modifié par AstraDrakkar, 25 juillet 2012 - 09:55 .

[Darth Death]

If that's true, then it explains a lot of things. I'm willing to bet majority of women are the ones who liked DA2, and again implying a lot of assumptions.

[PaulSX]

I think the main reason is male-on-male romance. I heard a lot of females are really into this kind of plot.

[Shazzie]

Darth Death wrote...

If that's true, then it explains a lot of things. I'm willing to bet majority of women are the ones who liked DA2, and again implying a lot of assumptions.

Not a single woman I personally know (including myself) enjoyed DA2 over DA:O. I have no idea about 'the majority of all women', only the absolute entirety of the women I know.

suntzuxi wrote...

I think the main reason is male-on-male romance. I heard a lot of females are really into this kind of plot.

While I wouldn't be surprised at some being interested in this, it's not something most of my female friends or I are interested in. We're too happy to actually play a female protagonist to be the slightest bit interested in playing Yet Another Male Character, even if that male character is getting it on with Fenris.


So:

This 'typical female gamer' tripe is utter hogwash. That's like saying the only things little girls love are pink and princesses, when the whole thing about the pink and princesses is society pushing that on little girls because they're supposed to love pink and princesses. Hello circular logic.

I'm a gamer. I happen to be female. But it's not my gender that determines my gaming preferences. Just like gender doesn't decide your favorite book, movie, song, or color.

Signed,
 A woman over 30 who is not the slightest bit interested in games that are 'simple and easy to pick up & play' (read: mindlessly boring, so gimme DEPTH and DETAIL, please), and who doesn't do FaceCult or any form of mobile gaming, unless my husband hands me his phone and asks me to play his round of Words With Friends because he stinks at it.

Modifié par Shazzie, 27 juillet 2012 - 06:29 .

[brushyourteeth]

I can't help but think from reading these responses that a lot of you guys (men) misunderstand what the female gamer is and why she plays the way she plays. In trying to define her you've pigeonholed her so completely as something dainty and sub-intelligent that it almost sounds like you're threatened by the idea that she could be your equal in skill and intellect.

I'm not usually insanely sensitive to this stuff, but go back and read some of these comments about lady gamers. Seriously - read them. Some of them are about a half step away from blaming the vagina for the fall of the age of high gaming. Soon we'll be on the chopping block next to Call of Duty players (who I'm sure are very lovely people, but all the same, they're a notorious scapegoat).
 
It's kind of appaling.

Not angry, you know - just thought I'd put that out there for anyone who would be sad to know they accidentally said anything prejudiced or offensive. 

Modifié par brushyourteeth, 28 juillet 2012 - 06:13 .

[Gibb_Shepard]

Why does every female on this forum have to make it known that they have a husband or boyfriend? My god, these "husbands" always pop up in the most irrelevant places.

[Crypticqa]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Why does every female on this forum have to make it known that they have a husband or boyfriend? My god, these "husbands" always pop up in the most irrelevant places.

Not evrey, but yea i have noticed that too (tbh males here often mention that they have wife or girlfriend too).

[Blacklash93]

BobSmith101 wrote...

It's about 80/20

There was an ME2 statistic released a while ago. I remember it saying 20% of players used FemShep. Assuming many female ME fans play DA as well this could be somewhat accurate give or take 5%.

Anyway I'd say yes. Then again I find more female gamers tend to play RPGs with a gender option in general. That or they're just more visible. People usually do put great value in characters and especially protagonists they can identify with in all entertainment. That's really the beauty of RPGs as inclusive as Dragon Age; everyone has a chance to create a protagonist they can strongly identify with. That's one of the key draws to the genre.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 28 juillet 2012 - 10:46 .

[Kidd]

brushyourteeth wrote...

Not angry, you know - just thought I'd put that out there for anyone who would be sad to know they accidentally said anything prejudiced or offensive. 

*bell rings* To the neutral corners!

As your second, I want to tell you how you were on a roll right there. The feminist blows were steady and firm without being overly accusing or hostile in their tone. Your points were hitting home! In the next round, keep it up and don't ease up at the end. Keep your combo going and you will win this! *pours water all over brushyourteeth to cool her off* Go out there, and give them hell, you were born to do this!

Seconds out!

This is it, kid. Make me proud! *leaves the ring and waits for the bell by the sidelines*

(yeah, I just finished watching the boxing anime Hajime no Ippo, so sue me )

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Why does every female on this forum have to make it known that they have a husband or boyfriend? My god, these "husbands" always pop up in the most irrelevant places.

I've never seen this tendency. Guess I might be blind =D

Modifié par KiddDaBeauty, 28 juillet 2012 - 10:36 .

[Firky]

Female gamer who has a (non-gamer) husband and preferred DA2 to DAO checking in.

Also, I play as a male character 80% of the time by choice, probably.

I've read through most of this discussion and, I'm a little jaded, but "games that women like" often comes across like a veiled insult to me, within the wider context of "what is a good game." Like, an insult to the game, and to women. I'm not hassling this thread, really. It's more of a broad feeling I get. (But I like heaps of "blokey games/genres" as well as the characteristics people tend to associate with women; story-driven, etc.)

I especially don't like games companies that try to aim games for women. (Which is why I think DA and ME succeed. The content shows an approach that embraces fair representation for each gender, and clever characters like Aveline and Morrigan, while not being a "game aimed at women" IMO.)

[AmstradHero]

Crypticqa wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Why does every female on this forum have to make it known that they have a husband or boyfriend? My god, these "husbands" always pop up in the most irrelevant places.

Not evrey, but yea i have noticed that too (tbh males here often mention that they have wife or girlfriend too).

Maybe:
1) To reduce likelihood of creepy internet stalkers.
2) To avoid accusations of "you only play BioWare games for romances because you don't have one in real life"
3) Because people let others know that they are attached in real life too.

Just saying...

[Darth Death]

This thread has left me a little shocked. I must be more careful in the future.

[PaulSX]

Blacklash93 wrote...

People usually do put great value in characters and especially protagonists they can identify with in all entertainment. That's really the beauty of RPGs as inclusive as Dragon Age; everyone has a chance to create a protagonist they can strongly identify with. That's one of the key draws to the genre.

I thought Sims games are better at this aspect, and well, as far as I am concerned, Sims has largest female gamer population.

[Firky]

The Sims is an interesting example. I really like The Sims series, but I think The Sims 3 evidences a lot more characteristics/mechanics that are actually, specifically (and erroneously) "aimed at women" and that the game has lost something because of that (whereas the first two games were more of an internally consistent gaming experience that women just liked - as did heaps of guys.)

Stuff like the balance between reward and punishment being inappropriately skewed towards guaranteed success and cosmetic features being prioritised over gameplay, in greater volume. But, I was recently in the very unfortunate position of having to sink 30 hours into the Sims 3 Katy Perry expansion pack, which adds almost entirely cosmetic stuff, and no gameplay at all.

I read a comment from a Bio-designer somewhere on this board that said The Sims was like a gateway drug for female gamers. (I think. I had a quick search and can't find it.) It's that "trying to get women into gaming" thing that tends to ruin/water down games/series, in my mind. (And gives some guys the excuse to blame women for games they don't like, in a roundabout kind of a way.)

(But, like I said up there, I think DA does it well, because it's accessible without being "for women" IMO.)

(Edit: Also, I said "erroneously" because I think "cosmetic/customisation=female gamers like that" is a pretty flawed assumption, but it's a really common one.)

Modifié par Firky, 28 juillet 2012 - 10:28 .

[carine]

Firky wrote...
I read a comment from a Bio-designer somewhere on this board that said The Sims was like a gateway drug for female gamers.

The Sims was probably the first PC game that I played, and in my case that comment is completely correct... I think I actually found out about Dragon Age because of a comment about The Sims Medieval. It was something like, "Nah, I'll stick to Dragon Age," which then piqued my curiosity. Now I'm obsessed, so... ha.

But anyway, I like BioWare games because of the character interaction and the storyline, and the fact that I can play as a woman character. The companions are the major draw of the game. I dislike RPGs where there isn't that interaction (they seem too flat to me). I do enjoy Skyrim, but I've sunk waaay more hours into the Dragon Age games than Skyrim.

[Firky]

It's a funny one. I'd love it if there were a lot more female players/journos/designers etc, believe me, and if gaming culture/games/content was a lot more welcoming to everyone, and I think it's cool that the Sims could act as a gateway drug for female gamers.

At the same time, actually approaching the design of games mechanics with "stuff women like" in mind just seems to undermine what a game is - or "should" be - especially if there's a really wide variety of what women/men/people like anyway. Maybe that's an outdated opinion now, though, and rooted in gaming having a more obvious, recent, skew towards what people would perceive as "male interest" or whatever. (Like, I never felt weird for being a female gamer in the 80s/90s. I do nowadays.)

Like, you could argue lots of women like a "chick flick" kind of film formula pretty well, I reckon. Doesn't necessarily mean chick flicks are "good movies", but if people like them, then that's cool. You could probably argue that the chick flick formula can be done very well. I'm sure there's room within gaming for genres which do appeal to more women, in general, for whatever reason, but actually "making Dragon Age appeal to women" just seems odd to me. It is what it is, like it or lump it.

Making Dragon Age not unfriendly to women, however, is an entirely other kettle of fish.

(Good discussion.)

[TamiBx]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Why does every female on this forum have to make it known that they have a husband or boyfriend? My god, these "husbands" always pop up in the most irrelevant places.

I feel left out now. I'm not married D= 


But anyways, I have always played video games and I think my first game was a JRPG on my PS1 and I loved it. Ever since I played a female main character in Pokemon Crystal for GameBoy Color, I definitely prefer to play female characters. It makes it easier to identify with them. I also like games with strong stories and games that I can customize as much as possible. And that's why I love Bioware games, apparently. DA fills out my main requirements, so I find it perfect. The combat system matters, but if the story is amazing, I can deal with bad combat (like DAO). 

Also, we need to remember that not every gamer likes to come to forums. I hated gaming forums until ME3 ending happened, then I started coming to BSN. Before that, i stayed as far away from them as possible. It was just...intimidating, I guess.  



And on a side note, I don't play mobile games. Ever. I find them clumsy, boring and...boring. Angry Bird is the most boring game I haver ever tried to play. And the Sims is ok, but only for like 10min. Then it gets boring.

[Kenshen]

In my house I have 3 women (wife + 2 daughters) which all game from time to time. My wife plays the same games I do usually after I have played them. She does struggle with the faster paced games but that is what I am here for. Story is far more important to her than actual game play. RPG's are by far the favorite.

Daughter #1 is 18 and the best way to describe her is she is a girls girl. Very sensitive and caring it doesn't surprise me at all she is a rpg lover. For her it is better if there is more story than game play. ME series is her favorite but can only play those games on the lowest difficulty setting. Not that there is anything wrong with that but so far I can not get her to try MP cause it is too fast paced and hard.

Daughter #2 is 15 and nothing like her sister. This one is far more aggressive and outgoing. She will tell you what is on her mind no matter what. For games it is all about guns and things to shoot. Fallout is a favorite that I have played as well but she is really into the halo & call of duty games. She is not shy about mp in those games and it has shocked me at times to hear some of the stuff she says. Yes she is a trash talker and I have given up trying to change that.

I consider myself very lucky my family shares the love of games like it do. It has created some very interesting discussions at the dinner table and made us very popular at the local gamestop. However none of them come to the forums that I know of.

[wowpwnslol]

Women don't play video games. This topic is blasphemous

[RyanSoup]

Well my girlfriend loves DA: O because the controls are very simple. She doesn't have to be very good at using both analog sticks in tandem, or memorizing where buttons are. I wouldn't be surprised if Bioware had a larger female fanbase than most companies out there

[Darth Death]

RyanSoup wrote...

Well my girlfriend loves DA: O because the controls are very simple. She doesn't have to be very good at using both analog sticks in tandem, or memorizing where buttons are. I wouldn't be surprised if Bioware had a larger female fanbase than most companies out there

And you want to know why? It's because of three components. 
1. The ability to customize a character:alien:
2. Romance/Relationships<3
3. ****** options available:sick:

Don't let them fool you. They act innocent, but behind closed doors they got that darkside in them. Women have many "needs" to be met, & one of their solutions are games like these. I know the true hearts of women.   

Modifié par Darth Death, 31 juillet 2012 - 01:29 .

[RyanSoup]

Darth Death wrote...
And you want to know why? It's because of three components. 
1. The ability to customize a character:alien:
2. Romance/Relationships<3
3. ****** options available:sick:

Don't let them fool you. They act innocent, but behind closed doors they got that darkside in them. Women have many "needs" to be met, & one of their solutions are games like these. I know the true hearts of women.   

I might agree with you if she weren't still on Ostagar.

[Jaulen]

Maclimes wrote...

batlin wrote...

In the least sexist way possible, I'm pretty sure games with the highest percentage of female players are games like Angry Birds or Fruit Ninja. Not Dragon Age or Mass Effect.

A good point. Basically, "Games in which gender is not a factor in any way, shape, or form".

I've played more DAO DA2 and the ME series than my husband. 

I've never played Angry Birds, my husband plays it all the time.

[Silas7]

Maclimes wrote...

The problem with the poll? 

Women are more likely to fill out questionnaires than men, skewing the results.

I love polls but i didn't vote, so what does that tell you?