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[Silasqtx]

Pitznik wrote...

I don't understand your post, OP. You at the same time argue that you didn't cheat and in the same post, ask for less harsh penalties for cheaters. Why? If you didn't cheat, you don't deserve to be penalized in any way, you did nothing wrong. If you cheated, you broke the rules of multiplayer service and you deserve your ban.

Cheaters spoil Bioware's profits from this game, and it is those profits that keep them releasing additional content. So it is in our best interest to have cheaters banned.

It's a multi-task thread.

Cheaters spoil biowares profits, but sudden death bans spoil biowares profit a lot more than cheaters. That's why I'm proposing less harsh measures, a middle ground, to both keep an eye on cheaters and don't give the finger to those who weren't guilty.
Seems reasonable to me.

That's why I wrote this. It's still a forum right? People discuss and debate things. I'm debating this. 
You'd do the same if you were on PC. I won't buy another ME3 copy just for an online pass because some **** hacked a match and I got caught in the ****storm.

steampunk1850 wrote...

The ban is extra hard on PC players since we cannot buy an online pass and game is still over $50 most of the time. I just find it cruel to ban players without allowing them to defend themselves or even tell them why they were banned. I wish BW would just reset items and credits the first time "exploiting/cheating" is detected so at least players, like me, could play still and appeal the removal of items/credits instead of being banned completely from MP.

qft.

Modifié par Silasqtx, 18 juillet 2012 - 04:52 .

[Shane Ashkore]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Bryan Johnson wrote...

We do also look at some peoples multiplayer manifests and if they have ever weapon ultra-rare at 10, including ones we released a day ago we will typically investigate that account. Not saying that is what is happening here but when this happens it is very obvious to all to see.

Though technically if you save up something crazy like 30 million credits would it be possible to get all UR's to 10, if all your rares are full?

No you will get large amounts of the new level 4 ammos before yesterday I was only missing 3 N7s and it still took me several weeks of games to get even one. That said however with more of them they will start getting easier to get because there are more of them becuase you have more to get.

[Pitznik]

Silasqtx wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

I don't understand your post, OP. You at the same time argue that you didn't cheat and in the same post, ask for less harsh penalties for cheaters. Why? If you didn't cheat, you don't deserve to be penalized in any way, you did nothing wrong. If you cheated, you broke the rules of multiplayer service and you deserve your ban.

Cheaters spoil Bioware's profits from this game, and it is those profits that keep them releasing additional content. So it is in our best interest to have cheaters banned.

It's a multi-task thread.

Cheaters spoil biowares profits, but sudden death bans spoil biowares profit a lot more than cheaters. That's why I'm proposing less harsh measures, a middle ground, to both keep an eye on cheaters and don't give the finger to those who weren't guilty.
Seems reasonable to me.

That's why I wrote this. It's still a forum right? People discuss and debate things. I'm debating this. 
You'd do the same if you were on PC. I won't buy another ME3 copy just for an online pass because some **** hacked a match and I got caught in the ****storm.

You're just not making the best case, asking for less penalties in the same post, since it can be understood like admitting to cheating

And no, banning players who cheat doesn't spoil Bioware's profits, not banning them would only demoralize players who put hours into getting weapons or their hard earned money. Again, people who are NOT guilty of cheating shouldn't suffer ANY penalty, no matter harsh or not. People falsely accused of cheating would be as much pissed by wiping their manifest, I know I would. You shouldn't get banned if someone hacked a match and you didn't notice - if that is the case, appeal and your ban will be lifted. Bioware takes it seriously and they don't want to lose customers who did nothing wrong.

[steampunk1850]

Silasqtx wrote...

steampunk1850 wrote...

The ban is extra hard on PC players since we cannot buy an online pass and game is still over $50 most of the time. I just find it cruel to ban players without allowing them to defend themselves or even tell them why they were banned. I wish BW would just reset items and credits the first time "exploiting/cheating" is detected so at least players, like me, could play still and appeal the removal of items/credits instead of being banned completely from MP.

qft.

 I was thinking my ban may be because I forgot to switch my Coalesced files (have one for SP and one for MP so this wouldn't happen).  Only thing I had modded on SP file , I think, was my war assets for when I was below 100% ready and didn't feel like doing a MP game.

[dysturbed0ne]

Siran wrote...

Bryan Johnson wrote...

We do also look at some peoples multiplayer manifests and if they have ever weapon ultra-rare at 10, including ones we released a day ago we will typically investigate that account. Not saying that is what is happening here but when this happens it is very obvious to all to see.

But I'm hoping you don't go on that indication alone, are you? Had it not been for the Particle Rifle released last week, I'd have had the Typhoon at X already, as I saved up almost 7mil credits before Earth DLC hit and got 13 UR out of my 67 PSP - meaning without the PR I'd have the Typhoon maxed in a matter of an hour by spending the legitimately earned credits.

I'm sure they just look and see if the credits were optained legitimately. People think turning off feedback hides credit glitching from BW....but it doesn't.

[Silasqtx]

Pitznik wrote...
You're just not making the best case, asking for less penalties in the same post, since it can be understood like admitting to cheating

I always want to have a conversation and/or debate with other people in the forum. A thread named "omg im banned wtf >(("  has the lifespan of a sneeze. This one, instead, is a proper forum thread, where we discuss/debate stuff

Pitznik wrote... 
And no, banning players who cheat doesn't spoil Bioware's profits, not banning them would only demoralize players who put hours into getting weapons or their hard earned money.

 

I didn't mean don't ban cheaters, do ban them, just with warnings. That's why I think the Sheldon's Three Strike method is deadly efficient.

 

Pitznik wrote...  
 Again, people who are NOT guilty of cheating shouldn't suffer ANY penalty, no matter harsh or not. People falsely accused of cheating would be as much pissed by wiping their manifest, I know I would. You shouldn't get banned if someone hacked a match and you didn't notice - if that is the case, appeal and your ban will be lifted. Bioware takes it seriously and they don't want to lose customers who did nothing wrong.

Let's just hope you're right.

Modifié par Silasqtx, 18 juillet 2012 - 05:07 .

[steampunk1850]

Pitznik wrote...

Silasqtx wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

I don't understand your post, OP. You at the same time argue that you didn't cheat and in the same post, ask for less harsh penalties for cheaters. Why? If you didn't cheat, you don't deserve to be penalized in any way, you did nothing wrong. If you cheated, you broke the rules of multiplayer service and you deserve your ban.

Cheaters spoil Bioware's profits from this game, and it is those profits that keep them releasing additional content. So it is in our best interest to have cheaters banned.

It's a multi-task thread.

Cheaters spoil biowares profits, but sudden death bans spoil biowares profit a lot more than cheaters. That's why I'm proposing less harsh measures, a middle ground, to both keep an eye on cheaters and don't give the finger to those who weren't guilty.
Seems reasonable to me.

That's why I wrote this. It's still a forum right? People discuss and debate things. I'm debating this. 
You'd do the same if you were on PC. I won't buy another ME3 copy just for an online pass because some **** hacked a match and I got caught in the ****storm.

You're just not making the best case, asking for less penalties in the same post, since it can be understood like admitting to cheating

And no, banning players who cheat doesn't spoil Bioware's profits, not banning them would only demoralize players who put hours into getting weapons or their hard earned money. Again, people who are NOT guilty of cheating shouldn't suffer ANY penalty, no matter harsh or not. People falsely accused of cheating would be as much pissed by wiping their manifest, I know I would. You shouldn't get banned if someone hacked a match and you didn't notice - if that is the case, appeal and your ban will be lifted. Bioware takes it seriously and they don't want to lose customers who did nothing wrong.

I myself have sent an email to BW and I unserstand it will take time but rarely have I heard of anyone being unbanned when they appeal innocent or not.  It feels like BW is sticking to their choices concerning banning because they do not want to look weak or perhaps like they do not take cheating seriously.  Which is fine and all but harsh for those of us who have done nothing wrong.   I am just willing to redo a few months work in exchange for not having to wait the same amount for an appeal to be decided and with a chance for it to be denied.

[Bryan Johnson]

dysturbed0ne wrote...

Siran wrote...

Bryan Johnson wrote...

We do also look at some peoples multiplayer manifests and if they have ever weapon ultra-rare at 10, including ones we released a day ago we will typically investigate that account. Not saying that is what is happening here but when this happens it is very obvious to all to see.

But I'm hoping you don't go on that indication alone, are you? Had it not been for the Particle Rifle released last week, I'd have had the Typhoon at X already, as I saved up almost 7mil credits before Earth DLC hit and got 13 UR out of my 67 PSP - meaning without the PR I'd have the Typhoon maxed in a matter of an hour by spending the legitimately earned credits.

I'm sure they just look and see if the credits were optained legitimately. People think turning off feedback hides credit glitching from BW....but it doesn't.

Indeed we investigate, not just ban on the spot

[Shane Ashkore]

steampunk1850 wrote...

Silasqtx wrote...

steampunk1850 wrote...

The ban is extra hard on PC players since we cannot buy an online pass and game is still over $50 most of the time. I just find it cruel to ban players without allowing them to defend themselves or even tell them why they were banned. I wish BW would just reset items and credits the first time "exploiting/cheating" is detected so at least players, like me, could play still and appeal the removal of items/credits instead of being banned completely from MP.

qft.

 I was thinking my ban may be because I forgot to switch my Coalesced files (have one for SP and one for MP so this wouldn't happen).  Only thing I had modded on SP file , I think, was my war assets for when I was below 100% ready and didn't feel like doing a MP game.

You complain about being banned then list what you modded, which is against the rules, and you still complain, really?

Also you do know you dont need 100% for the "best" endings right you get almost 7000 in war assets and if I recall you only need like 3100 now to get those endings.

Also for both of you, you can ask them to look into it and they will just give them time to look into it but DONT complain about being banned AND ask for more lenient actions against cheaters that doesnt help your case if you are innocent, it makes you sound more like one.

[MWaHa]

...Why does it have to be the Sheldon's Three Strike method, and not just the Three Strike method?

[steampunk1850]

Shane Ashkore wrote...

steampunk1850 wrote...

Silasqtx wrote...

steampunk1850 wrote...

The ban is extra hard on PC players since we cannot buy an online pass and game is still over $50 most of the time. I just find it cruel to ban players without allowing them to defend themselves or even tell them why they were banned. I wish BW would just reset items and credits the first time "exploiting/cheating" is detected so at least players, like me, could play still and appeal the removal of items/credits instead of being banned completely from MP.

qft.

 I was thinking my ban may be because I forgot to switch my Coalesced files (have one for SP and one for MP so this wouldn't happen).  Only thing I had modded on SP file , I think, was my war assets for when I was below 100% ready and didn't feel like doing a MP game.

You complain about being banned then list what you modded, which is against the rules, and you still complain, really?

Also you do know you dont need 100% for the "best" endings right you get almost 7000 in war assets and if I recall you only need like 3100 now to get those endings.

Also for both of you, you can ask them to look into it and they will just give them time to look into it but DONT complain about being banned AND ask for more lenient actions against cheaters that doesnt help your case if you are innocent, it makes you sound more like one.

 
I said I have seperate files for SP and MP and use unmodded file for MP.  I was under the impression modding for single player was allowed.

[Chaoswind]

Redjonh had over 20 million or something before revelion, so I guess he cheated?

Some people play too much and save all their creds for the dlc, hardly illegal, and again quite a few people maxed the harrier a couple of days after its release.

Bryan I think investigation based on UR maxed is all cool and good, but isn't exactly the best way to do it.

Also if I am saving creds and I have over 2m of course I won't pay attention to the creds I have unless someone reminds me of the whole credits cheats issue.

[Silasqtx]

MWaHa wrote...

...Why does it have to be the Sheldon's Three Strike method, and not just the Three Strike method?

Well, Sheldon's pretty strict on the strikes, so..

I really don't know. I need something to eat and some sleep.

[MWaHa]

Silasqtx wrote...

MWaHa wrote...

...Why does it have to be the Sheldon's Three Strike method, and not just the Three Strike method?

Well, Sheldon's pretty strict on the strikes, so..

I really don't know. I need something to eat and some sleep.

...who is sheldon?

[upinya slayin]

Silasqtx wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

Well technically your not perma banned.
Its not as harsh as one would think. a online pass is like 10 bucks i think so the punishment is basically 10$ fine and losing all the stuff you got by cheating and didn't earn anyway.

That's another thing. We PC users can't get another online pass, we have to buy another Me3 game.

Are you positive on that? I'm pretty sure they said you can buy another online pass to play it online

[GallowsPole]

Its actually laughable that people think that these servers cant be checked for cheating. And yes, even the difference between the glitch and a legit rocket launcher.

[Tankcommander]

That's harsh.

I agree Bioware needs a warning system, since that would help with players that did nothing wrong and discourage the actual cheaters, with stat wipes and bans happening last (that ends the game for most, if not all, players).

[upinya slayin]

JoxerNL wrote...

Anyone else enjoying cheaters getting caught?

yup. i've sacrificed many hours of sleep playing this game and not even grinding crredits (playing U/U/G) to earn what i have (not gonna lie, did some FBW/G/G when i first started on gold to grind away but ahven't done that in like 3 months) but still it was all earned 75k credits at a time. people who spend 25 mins in a game and come out with 10 milion credits is BS. i probably played like 40-50 hours last week to save up 4.5 million credits.

[Bryan Johnson]

Chaoswind wrote...

Redjonh had over 20 million or something before revelion, so I guess he cheated?

Some people play too much and save all their creds for the dlc, hardly illegal, and again quite a few people maxed the harrier a couple of days after its release.

Bryan I think investigation based on UR maxed is all cool and good, but isn't exactly the best way to do it.

Also if I am saving creds and I have over 2m of course I won't pay attention to the creds I have unless someone reminds me of the whole credits cheats issue.

That is by no means our only method of detecting, I just said it is another thing that we do. I am not going to discuss all the means we have.

Yes I am aware someone like Redjonh woudl have said a lot of credits, is he banned, nope. The two people in this thread have now said in some way or another that they had either used modified files, or were in a game with people that have had modified files. We do not discuss individual cases on the forum for all to see, so people get to hear one side of the story.

Modifié par Bryan Johnson, 18 juillet 2012 - 05:26 .

[upinya slayin]

Bravenu3 wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...thats liek saying you'd rather have no way for people to kill each other so you wouldn't have to worry about being killed. its impossible to cover everything.

There is very profound difference between guns and software bugs. The core source of many cheats in ME3:

• the lack of separate, encrypted config files (coalesced.ini) for MP mode
• credits editable in the user's side at all
• credits not written to the profile data after receiving them, but at the end of the match.

If those things were fixed, we could have in addition to a reduction in cheater problems:

• SP mods that wouldn't affect MP
• less problems with lost credits and XP due to connection problems

[*]no matter how smart you are there is always someone out there smarter. no matter what they do or fix someone will find a way to expliot it if they want to. look at apple and how big they are yet tehy cna't stop people from jailbreaking their devices no matter how many security updates they roll out. How do you think hackers work breaking into government agencies for fun. no matter what BW does there will always be an way to expliot things for the elite cheaters

[steampunk1850]

GallowsPole wrote...

Its actually laughable that people think that these servers cant be checked for cheating. And yes, even the difference between the glitch and a legit rocket launcher.

I don't know about  Silasqtx (op) but I honestly don't even know what the missle glitch is.  Like I said above I've been off the game since June 30th and for a few days before that because of a crashing computer.  I downloaded the dlc and didn't even have a chance to play it before I got a ban notice.

[Shane Ashkore]

steampunk1850 wrote...

Shane Ashkore wrote...

steampunk1850 wrote...

Silasqtx wrote...

steampunk1850 wrote...

The ban is extra hard on PC players since we cannot buy an online pass and game is still over $50 most of the time. I just find it cruel to ban players without allowing them to defend themselves or even tell them why they were banned. I wish BW would just reset items and credits the first time "exploiting/cheating" is detected so at least players, like me, could play still and appeal the removal of items/credits instead of being banned completely from MP.

qft.

 I was thinking my ban may be because I forgot to switch my Coalesced files (have one for SP and one for MP so this wouldn't happen).  Only thing I had modded on SP file , I think, was my war assets for when I was below 100% ready and didn't feel like doing a MP game.

You complain about being banned then list what you modded, which is against the rules, and you still complain, really?

Also you do know you dont need 100% for the "best" endings right you get almost 7000 in war assets and if I recall you only need like 3100 now to get those endings.

Also for both of you, you can ask them to look into it and they will just give them time to look into it but DONT complain about being banned AND ask for more lenient actions against cheaters that doesnt help your case if you are innocent, it makes you sound more like one.

 
I said I have seperate files for SP and MP and use unmodded file for MP.  I was under the impression modding for single player was allowed.

I dont think they allow modding of any kind reguardless of SP or MP. I cant find the page with what gets you banned or whats not allowed thou otherwise Id post it for you so that you could check. Maybe the Bioware poster could link one for us to read?

[MWaHa]

Bryan Johnson wrote...

Chaoswind wrote...

Redjonh had over 20 million or something before revelion, so I guess he cheated?

Some people play too much and save all their creds for the dlc, hardly illegal, and again quite a few people maxed the harrier a couple of days after its release.

Bryan I think investigation based on UR maxed is all cool and good, but isn't exactly the best way to do it.

Also if I am saving creds and I have over 2m of course I won't pay attention to the creds I have unless someone reminds me of the whole credits cheats issue.

That is by no means our only method of detecting, I just said it is another thing that we do. I am not going to discuss all the means we have.

Yes I am aware someone like Redjonh woudl have said a lot of credits, is he banned, nope. The two people in this thread have now said in some way or another that they had either used modified files, or were in a game with people that have had modified files. We do not discuss individual cases on the forum for all to see, so people get to hear one side of the story.

Another method they have of detecting is sending in Keepers in to scan every game.

[steampunk1850]

Bryan Johnson wrote...

Chaoswind wrote...

Redjonh had over 20 million or something before revelion, so I guess he cheated?

Some people play too much and save all their creds for the dlc, hardly illegal, and again quite a few people maxed the harrier a couple of days after its release.

Bryan I think investigation based on UR maxed is all cool and good, but isn't exactly the best way to do it.

Also if I am saving creds and I have over 2m of course I won't pay attention to the creds I have unless someone reminds me of the whole credits cheats issue.

That is by no means our only method of detecting, I just said it is another thing that we do. I am not going to discuss all the means we have.

Yes I am aware someone like Redjonh woudl have said a lot of credits, is he banned, nope. The two people in this thread have now said in some way or another that they had either used modified files, or were in a game with people that have had modified files. We do not discuss individual cases on the forum for all to see, so people get to hear one side of the story.

I said I had a modded single player file and an unmodded multiplayer file, I switch between them depending if I want to play MP or not.

[upinya slayin]

Chaoswind wrote...

Redjonh had over 20 million or something before revelion, so I guess he cheated?

Some people play too much and save all their creds for the dlc, hardly illegal, and again quite a few people maxed the harrier a couple of days after its release.

Bryan I think investigation based on UR maxed is all cool and good, but isn't exactly the best way to do it.

Also if I am saving creds and I have over 2m of course I won't pay attention to the creds I have unless someone reminds me of the whole credits cheats issue.

no but it'll raise suspision and then they can see him on the board psoting videos of his solo platinum runs using a predator (ok slight exagerration, but still) and see how good he is and that he more then liekly earned it by playing alot and being eilte and they won't ban him.