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[upinya slayin]

steampunk1850 wrote...

Bryan Johnson wrote...

Chaoswind wrote...

Redjonh had over 20 million or something before revelion, so I guess he cheated?

Some people play too much and save all their creds for the dlc, hardly illegal, and again quite a few people maxed the harrier a couple of days after its release.

Bryan I think investigation based on UR maxed is all cool and good, but isn't exactly the best way to do it.

Also if I am saving creds and I have over 2m of course I won't pay attention to the creds I have unless someone reminds me of the whole credits cheats issue.

That is by no means our only method of detecting, I just said it is another thing that we do. I am not going to discuss all the means we have.

Yes I am aware someone like Redjonh woudl have said a lot of credits, is he banned, nope. The two people in this thread have now said in some way or another that they had either used modified files, or were in a game with people that have had modified files. We do not discuss individual cases on the forum for all to see, so people get to hear one side of the story.

I said I had a modded single player file and an unmodded multiplayer file, I switch between them depending if I want to play MP or not.

while modding SP isn't actually against their rules i believe. since the war asset is tied into MP it still a modded MP file. it might not have given you an advanatge but your tricking the game to beleive you've been winning in MP when you haven't

[steampunk1850]

What is most frustrating is that no one seems to fully read or try to understand what we are saying. Half of what I have said has been twisted, misunderstood or taken to have an ulterior meaning.

[steampunk1850]

upinya slayin wrote...

while modding SP isn't actually against their rules i believe. since the war asset is tied into MP it still a modded MP file. it might not have given you an advanatge but your tricking the game to beleive you've been winning in MP when you haven't

What I changed was how much each asset was worth not my readiness.

Modifié par steampunk1850, 18 juillet 2012 - 05:34 .

[scheherazade]

TBH, there should be no bans for anything that happens in a private lobby.
Private games are private. They are between 4 consenting individuals, all agreeing to play the game the way they see fit.
If they want to change the game for themselves, fine. It's no different than playing FPS games with mods.
If you want to play with 4 friends with unlimited rockets, and a million health, that's no one else's business.
So long as the host puts their game back to normal for a public game, everything is A-OK.
Companies should continue to respect people's multiplayer modding - as has been the case since multiplayer gaming began.

Hosts changing the game for public matches without telling anyone... is a dik move.
That said, random people shouldn't be hammered for stepping into a game with a lame host.
And they shouldn't have to go through the work of undoing the damage that someone else did.
It's not their fault, and not their business to be fixing it, and it's not a companies business to be assigning burden to 3rd parties.
Go after the host, leave the randoms alone.

steampunk1850 wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

while
modding SP isn't actually against their rules i believe. since the war
asset is tied into MP it still a modded MP file. it might not have given
you an advanatge but your tricking the game to beleive you've been
winning in MP when you haven't

What I changed was how much each asset was worth not my readiness.

Ugh...
I seriously hope you're not prevented from editing your war assets.
It's friggin single player.
What's next, banning people for using a save-game editor/trainer?

: "You must grind war assets, no skipping ahead in single player!"
Sheesh.
To any company that does that : lighten up and stop pushing personal opinions about obligation onto others... It's a game. Let people have their fun already.

-scheherazade

Modifié par scheherazade, 18 juillet 2012 - 05:42 .

[Sundance31us]

steampunk1850 wrote...
 I was thinking my ban may be because I forgot to switch my Coalesced files (have one for SP and one for MP so this wouldn't happen).  Only thing I had modded on SP file , I think, was my war assets for when I was below 100% ready and didn't feel like doing a MP game.

Might have been better to tweak your save game in Gibbed just before the Cerberus Base mission.

[upinya slayin]

steampunk1850 wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

while modding SP isn't actually against their rules i believe. since the war asset is tied into MP it still a modded MP file. it might not have given you an advanatge but your tricking the game to beleive you've been winning in MP when you haven't

What I changed was how much each asset was worth not my readiness.

fair enough. if tahst the case and BW rules don't say you can't mod your SP file, then i'm sure they will lift your ban. If you did play with your modded file by accident then its still your own fault and shouldn't have modded it in teh 1st place.

[steampunk1850]

Sundance31us wrote...

steampunk1850 wrote...
 I was thinking my ban may be because I forgot to switch my Coalesced files (have one for SP and one for MP so this wouldn't happen).  Only thing I had modded on SP file , I think, was my war assets for when I was below 100% ready and didn't feel like doing a MP game.

Might have been better to tweak your save game in Gibbed just before the Cerberus Base mission.

Yea but when I did the edit Gibbed had not yet released a save game editor that was user friendly for doing that.

[upinya slayin]

scheherazade wrote...

TBH, there should be no bans for anything that happens in a private lobby.
Private games are private. They are between 4 consenting individuals, all agreeing to play the game the way they see fit.
If they want to change the game for themselves, fine. It's no different than playing FPS games with mods.
If you want to play with 4 friends with unlimited rockets, and a million health, that's no one else's business.
So long as the host puts their game back to normal for a public game, everything is A-OK.
Companies should continue to respect people's multiplayer modding - as has been the case since multiplayer gaming began.

Hosts changing the game for public matches without telling anyone... is a dik move.
That said, random people shouldn't be hammered for stepping into a game with a lame host.
And they shouldn't have to go through the work of undoing the damage that someone else did.
It's not their fault, and not their business to be fixing it, and it's not a companies business to be assigning burden to 3rd parties.
Go after the host, leave the randoms alone.

steampunk1850 wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

while
modding SP isn't actually against their rules i believe. since the war
asset is tied into MP it still a modded MP file. it might not have given
you an advanatge but your tricking the game to beleive you've been
winning in MP when you haven't

What I changed was how much each asset was worth not my readiness.

Ugh...
I seriously hope you're not prevented from editing your war assets.
It's friggin single player.
What's next, banning people for using a save-game editor/trainer?

: "You must grind war assets, no skipping ahead in single player!"
Sheesh.
To any company that does that : lighten up and stop pushing personal opinions about obligation onto others... It's a game. Let people have their fun already.

-scheherazade

what your missing is that it creates an unbalance for people to come in and earn eveyrhting by cheating off teh bat, the turning around and having better stuff then people who ahve put hundreds of hours fairly into earning it. You don't think those people would be pissed if BW allowed you guys to do that. Now mind you if its a private game and you want to play modded with firends and get no XP or credits for it, then i'd be more then ok with that. if all firends agree and there is no reward for playing a modded game it doenst ruin it for anyone.

[MWaHa]

scheherazade wrote...

TBH, there should be no bans for anything that happens in a private lobby.
Private games are private. They are between 4 consenting individuals, all agreeing to play the game the way they see fit.
If they want to change the game for themselves, fine. It's no different than playing FPS games with mods.
If you want to play with 4 friends with unlimited rockets, and a million health, that's no one else's business.
So long as the host puts their game back to normal for a public game, everything is A-OK.
Companies should continue to respect people's multiplayer modding - as has been the case since multiplayer gaming began.

Hosts changing the game for public matches without telling anyone... is a dik move.
That said, random people shouldn't be hammered for stepping into a game with a lame host.
And they shouldn't have to go through the work of undoing the damage that someone else did.
It's not their fault, and not their business to be fixing it, and it's not a companies business to be assigning burden to 3rd parties.
Go after the host, leave the randoms alone.

steampunk1850 wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

while
modding SP isn't actually against their rules i believe. since the war
asset is tied into MP it still a modded MP file. it might not have given
you an advanatge but your tricking the game to beleive you've been
winning in MP when you haven't

What I changed was how much each asset was worth not my readiness.

Ugh...
I seriously hope you're not prevented from editing your war assets.
It's friggin single player.
What's next, banning people for using a save-game editor/trainer?

: "You must grind war assets, no skipping ahead in single player!"
Sheesh.
To any company that does that : lighten up and stop pushing personal opinions about obligation onto others... It's a game. Let people have their fun already.

-scheherazade

But the servers that the games are hosted on aren't private. 

If you want to play a private game with no consequences, use your own server.

EDIT: And what upinya slayin said.

Modifié par MWaHa, 18 juillet 2012 - 05:47 .

[steampunk1850]

upinya slayin wrote...

steampunk1850 wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

while modding SP isn't actually against their rules i believe. since the war asset is tied into MP it still a modded MP file. it might not have given you an advanatge but your tricking the game to beleive you've been winning in MP when you haven't

What I changed was how much each asset was worth not my readiness.

fair enough. if tahst the case and BW rules don't say you can't mod your SP file, then i'm sure they will lift your ban. If you did play with your modded file by accident then its still your own fault and shouldn't have modded it in teh 1st place.

There is nothing wrong with modding single player games.  Most developers encourage modding and some even provide the tools to do it such as the Skyrim Creation Kit,.  I should not be banned for an honest mistake when I modding for the single player war asset value and not trying to interfer with MP.

[ParthianShotX]

Bravenu3 wrote...

Beerfish wrote...would assume [...] sounds like to me.

And those are acceptable grounds for harsh punishments in a game?

As a third- party observer, it's quite appropriate to use the qualifiers.  It's not as if bioware has "assumed" or is acting upon "it seems.". Lighten up.

[Bravenu3]

upinya slayin wrote... no matter how smart you are there is always someone out there smarter. no matter what they do or fix someone will find a way to expliot it if they want to. [...] no matter what BW does there will always be an way to expliot things for the elite cheaters

Yes, but as I said: The cheating going on here seems to be based on rather simple problems in the game's design. Not on difficult hacks. Ergo, most of the cheaters might be deterred simply by fixing the bugs.

[ParthianShotX]

Shane Ashkore wrote...

steampunk1850 wrote...

Silasqtx wrote...

steampunk1850 wrote...

The ban is extra hard on PC players since we cannot buy an online pass and game is still over $50 most of the time. I just find it cruel to ban players without allowing them to defend themselves or even tell them why they were banned. I wish BW would just reset items and credits the first time "exploiting/cheating" is detected so at least players, like me, could play still and appeal the removal of items/credits instead of being banned completely from MP.

qft.

I never even played MP my first time through SP and still got all choices.  

 I was thinking my ban may be because I forgot to switch my Coalesced files (have one for SP and one for MP so this wouldn't happen).  Only thing I had modded on SP file , I think, was my war assets for when I was below 100% ready and didn't feel like doing a MP game.

You complain about being banned then list what you modded, which is against the rules, and you still complain, really?

Also you do know you dont need 100% for the "best" endings right you get almost 7000 in war assets and if I recall you only need like 3100 now to get those endings.

Also for both of you, you can ask them to look into it and they will just give them time to look into it but DONT complain about being banned AND ask for more lenient actions against cheaters that doesnt help your case if you are innocent, it makes you sound more like one.

[adamjmorgan]

scheherazade wrote...

TBH, there should be no bans for anything that happens in a private lobby.
Private games are private. They are between 4 consenting individuals, all agreeing to play the game the way they see fit.
If they want to change the game for themselves, fine. It's no different than playing FPS games with mods.
If you want to play with 4 friends with unlimited rockets, and a million health, that's no one else's business.
So long as the host puts their game back to normal for a public game, everything is A-OK.
Companies should continue to respect people's multiplayer modding - as has been the case since multiplayer gaming began.

Ludicrous.  And what of the millions of credits you earn while shooting guns that do 1,000,000 damage per shot?

[upinya slayin]

steampunk1850 wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

steampunk1850 wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

while modding SP isn't actually against their rules i believe. since the war asset is tied into MP it still a modded MP file. it might not have given you an advanatge but your tricking the game to beleive you've been winning in MP when you haven't

What I changed was how much each asset was worth not my readiness.

fair enough. if tahst the case and BW rules don't say you can't mod your SP file, then i'm sure they will lift your ban. If you did play with your modded file by accident then its still your own fault and shouldn't have modded it in teh 1st place.

There is nothing wrong with modding single player games.  Most developers encourage modding and some even provide the tools to do it such as the Skyrim Creation Kit,.  I should not be banned for an honest mistake when I modding for the single player war asset value and not trying to interfer with MP.

its still your mistake. and BW hans't commented yet on where modding SP is ok with them. we know that the skyrim devs like people doing it and thats ok of the dev says its ok. But war assets are also tied into MP too don't forget. eveyr promotion you do adds to your war asets. i started off a agme with enough war assets to win just by promoting in MP. BW tied the SP and MP games into each other along with the smartphone app. its all tied together. I doubt they intended for you to mod it

[upinya slayin]

Bravenu3 wrote...

upinya slayin wrote... no matter how smart you are there is always someone out there smarter. no matter what they do or fix someone will find a way to expliot it if they want to. [...] no matter what BW does there will always be an way to expliot things for the elite cheaters

Yes, but as I said: The cheating going on here seems to be based on rather simple problems in the game's design. Not on difficult hacks. Ergo, most of the cheaters might be deterred simply by fixing the bugs.

the missle glitch should be fixed ASAP. i agree but its not like BW is sitting around doing nothing about it. I'm sure its more compliacted then we think. Modding PC files has been around since i played doom on my old packard bell computer in the early 90s to go into god mode and such. I also doubt its an easy fix. I'm not a programmer or a hacker but i can build computers and repair them and with access to google i'm sure if i wanted to i could mod a PC game (i play on xbox though) i've rooted android phones and jailbroke iphones (yes its legal now) just with google and a basic knowledge of elctronics. Imagine what someone who knows way more then i do can do?

[tfoltz]

Morals from Aesop's fables (pick the one that applies to you):

A bribe in the hand shows mischief in the heart.
A false tale often betrays itself.
A humble life with peace and quiet is better than a splendid one with danger and risk.
A man is known by the company he keeps.
A villain may disguise himself, but he will not deceive the wise.
A willful man will have his way to his own hurt.
Abstain and enjoy.
Avoid a remedy that is worse than the disease.
Be on guard against men who can strike from a distance.
Benefits bestowed upon the evil-disposed increase their means of injuring you.
Birds of a feather flock together.
Contentment with our lot is an element of happiness.
Count the cost before you commit yourselves.
Do not attempt to hide things which cannot be hid.
Do nothing without a regard to the consequences.
Every tale is not to be believed.
Everyone is more or less master of his own fate.
Evil companions bring more hurt than profit.
False confidence often leads into danger.
Harm seek, harm find.
He is wise who is warned by the misfortunes of others.
If men had all they wished, they would be often ruined.
It is not always wise to take people at their word.
Lessons are not given, they are taken.
Look before you leap.

[GallowsPole]

Whats also laughable, is that people can think they can do whatever they want because of the misconception of it still being 'their' game. In case you forgot, you purchased a 'license' to 'allow' you to play said game. Modding a single file of it, directly violates the EULA with the company. Last time I looked, EA owns the game. Even if a Bioware DEV said, sure, go ahead and mod it. It still violates the license you purchased from EA. Your so called 'private' matches are still utilizing propietary software to play those modded private matches. Which, again, violates the EULA.

Modifié par GallowsPole, 18 juillet 2012 - 06:04 .

[Manimal]

GallowsPole wrote...

Whats also laughable, is that people can think they can do whatever they want because of the misconception of it still being 'their' game. In case you forgot, you purchased a 'license' to 'allow' you to play said game. Modding a single file of it, directly violates the EULA with the company. Last time I looked, EA owns the game. Even if a Bioware DEV said, sure, go ahead and mod it. It still violates the license you purchased from EA. Your so called 'private' matches are still utilizing propietary software to play those modded private matches. Which, again, violates the EULA.

Nonsense.  If everyone purchased their games digitally, you MIGHT be able to say that.  Even then, the EULA may say one thing, but there is no option to revise it, or ask any questions about it, etc.  There is only one option, to accept it without reading it...so you can get down to what you purchased the game for, playing it.  It is a contract of adhesion, about as ironclad as any insurance policy, and they never pay for things they don't owe there...

[upinya slayin]

GallowsPole wrote...

Whats also laughable, is that people can think they can do whatever they want because of the misconception of it still being 'their' game. In case you forgot, you purchased a 'license' to 'allow' you to play said game. Modding a single file of it, directly violates the EULA with the company. Last time I looked, EA owns the game. Even if a Bioware DEV said, sure, go ahead and mod it. It still violates the license you purchased from EA. Your so called 'private' matches are still utilizing propietary software to play those modded private matches. Which, again, violates the EULA.

exactly. you can buy an xbox but if you open it up and mod it they woin't warrenty it becuase you voilated the terms of it. The terms are set to protect the company and the community. if you do somehting selfish there will be reprocussions

[msantos]

tfoltz wrote...

Morals from Aesop's fables (pick the one that applies to you):

A bribe in the hand shows mischief in the heart.
A false tale often betrays itself.
A humble life with peace and quiet is better than a splendid one with danger and risk.
A man is known by the company he keeps.
A villain may disguise himself, but he will not deceive the wise.
A willful man will have his way to his own hurt.
Abstain and enjoy.
Avoid a remedy that is worse than the disease.
Be on guard against men who can strike from a distance.
Benefits bestowed upon the evil-disposed increase their means of injuring you.
Birds of a feather flock together.
Contentment with our lot is an element of happiness.
Count the cost before you commit yourselves.
Do not attempt to hide things which cannot be hid.
Do nothing without a regard to the consequences.
Every tale is not to be believed.
Everyone is more or less master of his own fate.
Evil companions bring more hurt than profit.
False confidence often leads into danger.
Harm seek, harm find.
He is wise who is warned by the misfortunes of others.
If men had all they wished, they would be often ruined.
It is not always wise to take people at their word.
Lessons are not given, they are taken.
Look before you leap.

Excellent stuff that never grows old.

Sadly, such wisdom and moral value is often well beyond the reaches of many who prefer shortcuts over the proper way to do things.  That is why for some, the best lessons in life are also the ones that cost the most.

 

[steampunk1850]

upinya slayin wrote...

steampunk1850 wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

steampunk1850 wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

while modding SP isn't actually against their rules i believe. since the war asset is tied into MP it still a modded MP file. it might not have given you an advanatge but your tricking the game to beleive you've been winning in MP when you haven't

What I changed was how much each asset was worth not my readiness.

fair enough. if tahst the case and BW rules don't say you can't mod your SP file, then i'm sure they will lift your ban. If you did play with your modded file by accident then its still your own fault and shouldn't have modded it in teh 1st place.

There is nothing wrong with modding single player games.  Most developers encourage modding and some even provide the tools to do it such as the Skyrim Creation Kit,.  I should not be banned for an honest mistake when I modding for the single player war asset value and not trying to interfer with MP.

its still your mistake. and BW hans't commented yet on where modding SP is ok with them. we know that the skyrim devs like people doing it and thats ok of the dev says its ok. But war assets are also tied into MP too don't forget. eveyr promotion you do adds to your war asets. i started off a agme with enough war assets to win just by promoting in MP. BW tied the SP and MP games into each other along with the smartphone app. its all tied together. I doubt they intended for you to mod it

Nothing you do in single player affects multiplayer in anyway.  The war assets from Mp at that time were not available since I had no internet, I had to go to a friends house and use their's to just install the game.  I didn't start playing MP until long after I had modded the war asset's value and even then I switched between a modded and unmodded file so I would have no chance of affecting MP. 

Look people make mistakes by forgetting things but by doing so their intent is still benign and should be treated ad such.  As for the modding as a whole I really do not understand why BW would care about it concerning single player.  It does not invaildate their creation as good or even greatm rather it just means people would enjoy a different option/effect.

[OblivionDawn]

Whether or not you were wrongfully banned, I can't comment on. But on the part about bans being counter-productive is completely wrong.

You pay for the right to play the game under the terms set by the company. If you violate those terms then you lose your right to play the game to varying degrees. That's the way it is and should be.

Also, if people weren't threatened with perma-bans they would have no problem doing things like the missile glitch, and ruining the game for others. Keep doing what you're doing, Bioware.

[steampunk1850]

upinya slayin wrote...

GallowsPole wrote...

Whats also laughable, is that people can think they can do whatever they want because of the misconception of it still being 'their' game. In case you forgot, you purchased a 'license' to 'allow' you to play said game. Modding a single file of it, directly violates the EULA with the company. Last time I looked, EA owns the game. Even if a Bioware DEV said, sure, go ahead and mod it. It still violates the license you purchased from EA. Your so called 'private' matches are still utilizing propietary software to play those modded private matches. Which, again, violates the EULA.

exactly. you can buy an xbox but if you open it up and mod it they woin't warrenty it becuase you voilated the terms of it. The terms are set to protect the company and the community. if you do somehting selfish there will be reprocussions

I understand it being wrong for multiplayer but I hurt no one (no even EA) but modding files relating to a single player game.  I am not asking them to endorse or even condone the changes I made to a file just that if it does not effect the enjoyment of the game for anyone else when I play in multiplayer then do not ban someone for making that said change.  Modding a single player file is much different than modding a xbox and it really does not effect the company in anyway when a file is modded that does not pertain to multiplayer or the companies ability to make money off of the none modded version.

[upinya slayin]

steampunk1850 wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

steampunk1850 wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

steampunk1850 wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

while modding SP isn't actually against their rules i believe. since the war asset is tied into MP it still a modded MP file. it might not have given you an advanatge but your tricking the game to beleive you've been winning in MP when you haven't

What I changed was how much each asset was worth not my readiness.

fair enough. if tahst the case and BW rules don't say you can't mod your SP file, then i'm sure they will lift your ban. If you did play with your modded file by accident then its still your own fault and shouldn't have modded it in teh 1st place.

There is nothing wrong with modding single player games.  Most developers encourage modding and some even provide the tools to do it such as the Skyrim Creation Kit,.  I should not be banned for an honest mistake when I modding for the single player war asset value and not trying to interfer with MP.

its still your mistake. and BW hans't commented yet on where modding SP is ok with them. we know that the skyrim devs like people doing it and thats ok of the dev says its ok. But war assets are also tied into MP too don't forget. eveyr promotion you do adds to your war asets. i started off a agme with enough war assets to win just by promoting in MP. BW tied the SP and MP games into each other along with the smartphone app. its all tied together. I doubt they intended for you to mod it

Nothing you do in single player affects multiplayer in anyway.  The war assets from Mp at that time were not available since I had no internet, I had to go to a friends house and use their's to just install the game.  I didn't start playing MP until long after I had modded the war asset's value and even then I switched between a modded and unmodded file so I would have no chance of affecting MP. 

Look people make mistakes by forgetting things but by doing so their intent is still benign and should be treated ad such.  As for the modding as a whole I really do not understand why BW would care about it concerning single player.  It does not invaildate their creation as good or even greatm rather it just means people would enjoy a different option/effect.

maybe becuase they spent years making this agme for soemoen to go i don't like hwta you did, i'm gonna change it for me. Some people dn't see the big picture cause they only see hw things efffect them. anyway if BW feels you did nothing wrong and it was an honest mistake then they will lift the ban. Just be patient and wait for a response fromt them

on a sidenote i bet BW employees know the inrush of emails are cming as soon as a ban happens and laugh about all the excuses some cheaters make up