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[GallowsPole]

Manimal wrote...

GallowsPole wrote...

Whats also laughable, is that people can think they can do whatever they want because of the misconception of it still being 'their' game. In case you forgot, you purchased a 'license' to 'allow' you to play said game. Modding a single file of it, directly violates the EULA with the company. Last time I looked, EA owns the game. Even if a Bioware DEV said, sure, go ahead and mod it. It still violates the license you purchased from EA. Your so called 'private' matches are still utilizing propietary software to play those modded private matches. Which, again, violates the EULA.

Nonsense.  If everyone purchased their games digitally, you MIGHT be able to say that.  Even then, the EULA may say one thing, but there is no option to revise it, or ask any questions about it, etc.  There is only one option, to accept it without reading it...so you can get down to what you purchased the game for, playing it.  It is a contract of adhesion, about as ironclad as any insurance policy, and they never pay for things they don't owe there...

I agree with your conclusions about the EULA totally and never said its good policy. Just a fact is all and the consumer has absolutely no control over the content of the software.

[steampunk1850]

OblivionDawn wrote...

Whether or not you were wrongfully banned, I can't comment on. But on the part about bans being counter-productive is completely wrong.

You pay for the right to play the game under the terms set by the company. If you violate those terms then you lose your right to play the game to varying degrees. That's the way it is and should be.

Also, if people weren't threatened with perma-bans they would have no problem doing things like the missile glitch, and ruining the game for others. Keep doing what you're doing, Bioware.

I just think it is wrong to ban people without allowing for defense and proof of exploit/cheating when innocent people can/are effected by it.  Instead of finally being able to play MP after 1/2 with no working computer, I now must convince a judge and jury of my innocence without knowing what I did that appeared to be illegal.  And if I do get unbanned I have no idea of what to avoid doing in the future to keep within the TOS and be allowed to continue playing.

[formicae]

steampunk1850 wrote...

Look people make mistakes by forgetting things but by doing so their intent is still benign and should be treated ad such.

Actually this is why criminal charges exist for negligence and manslaughter. People go to jail for these all the time.

[tfoltz]

Don't mod, don't glitch. It is that simple.

Modifié par tfoltz, 18 juillet 2012 - 06:24 .

[steampunk1850]

upinya slayin wrote...

steampunk1850 wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

steampunk1850 wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

steampunk1850 wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

while modding SP isn't actually against their rules i believe. since the war asset is tied into MP it still a modded MP file. it might not have given you an advanatge but your tricking the game to beleive you've been winning in MP when you haven't

What I changed was how much each asset was worth not my readiness.

fair enough. if tahst the case and BW rules don't say you can't mod your SP file, then i'm sure they will lift your ban. If you did play with your modded file by accident then its still your own fault and shouldn't have modded it in teh 1st place.

There is nothing wrong with modding single player games.  Most developers encourage modding and some even provide the tools to do it such as the Skyrim Creation Kit,.  I should not be banned for an honest mistake when I modding for the single player war asset value and not trying to interfer with MP.

its still your mistake. and BW hans't commented yet on where modding SP is ok with them. we know that the skyrim devs like people doing it and thats ok of the dev says its ok. But war assets are also tied into MP too don't forget. eveyr promotion you do adds to your war asets. i started off a agme with enough war assets to win just by promoting in MP. BW tied the SP and MP games into each other along with the smartphone app. its all tied together. I doubt they intended for you to mod it

Nothing you do in single player affects multiplayer in anyway.  The war assets from Mp at that time were not available since I had no internet, I had to go to a friends house and use their's to just install the game.  I didn't start playing MP until long after I had modded the war asset's value and even then I switched between a modded and unmodded file so I would have no chance of affecting MP. 

Look people make mistakes by forgetting things but by doing so their intent is still benign and should be treated ad such.  As for the modding as a whole I really do not understand why BW would care about it concerning single player.  It does not invaildate their creation as good or even greatm rather it just means people would enjoy a different option/effect.

maybe becuase they spent years making this agme for soemoen to go i don't like hwta you did, i'm gonna change it for me. Some people dn't see the big picture cause they only see hw things efffect them. anyway if BW feels you did nothing wrong and it was an honest mistake then they will lift the ban. Just be patient and wait for a response fromt them

on a sidenote i bet BW employees know the inrush of emails are cming as soon as a ban happens and laugh about all the excuses some cheaters make up

Most of the time modding is not about *hating* what the developer's created but wishing to build upon it.  Sure there are cases of such but that is no reason to frown apon all modding.

[Silasqtx]

Please avoid ziggurats, thanks.

[steampunk1850]

formicae wrote...

steampunk1850 wrote...

Look people make mistakes by forgetting things but by doing so their intent is still benign and should be treated ad such.

Actually this is why criminal charges exist for negligence and manslaughter. People go to jail for these all the time.

Yes that is vaild but in the context of forgetting to swtich back to an unmodded file before playing multiplayer with no bonus beng given to the player, their team mates or harming anyone there needs to be someone who stops for a second and asks "Did this person do this on purpose or Did it even effect the multiplayer game for the player or anyone else".

[steampunk1850]

Silasqtx wrote...

Please avoid ziggurats, thanks.

Sorry.

[steampunk1850]

tfoltz wrote...

Don't mod, don't glitch. It is that simple.

A mod of what a certain war asset is worth should not make anyone glitch in multiplayer.

[Sundance31us]

Here's the thread clarifying single player modding:

[Clarification Inside] Once more, Bioware's take on modding

[steampunk1850]

Sundance31us wrote...

Here's the thread clarifying single player modding:

[Clarification Inside] Once more, Bioware's take on modding

Thanks.

[jordie3000]

This post suggests that modifying files that impact multiplayer progress is banworthy, and other modifications that don't confer MP benefits are ok. Admittedly, it's a 4-month-old post.

Banning modded files that mess with MP makes sense. Banning modded files that change your Shep's face or whatever doesn't. Hopefully there is a way for GMs to tell the difference!

[Bravenu3]

upinya slayin wrote...

the missle glitch should be fixed ASAP. i agree but its not like BW is sitting around doing nothing about it. I'm sure its more compliacted then we think. Modding PC files has been around since i played doom on my old packard bell computer in the early 90s to go into god mode and such. I also doubt its an easy fix.

I can't judge the difficulty very well either, but it seems to me that a seperate coalescedMP.ini, encrypted and hash-checked when connecting to MP would have done the trick.

[Father_Jerusalem]

Here's a thought... maybe next time (assuming you get a next time) instead of modding and cheating and getting caught and banned, then whining about why you got banned, you simply skip all those middle steps by deciding NOT to cheat.

Really, it's that simple. Don't cheat, don't get banned. Ta-da!

[Chaoswind]

I am sorry, but EULAs hold as much legal power in my country as a tisue.

All I would need is a considerable amount of people to place a case and make the EULA void,

Those that say that we don't own the game are right, but those that think that EA or Bioware can revoke and take our game away without any sort of (devolución) are wrong.

[steampunk1850]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Here's a thought... maybe next time (assuming you get a next time) instead of modding and cheating and getting caught and banned, then whining about why you got banned, you simply skip all those middle steps by deciding NOT to cheat.

Really, it's that simple. Don't cheat, don't get banned. Ta-da!

Wow.... no one actually bothers to read what I write.  Yep I modded a file that only effects single player, which according to all links posted here is okay.  So yea I should get banned and not be allowed to demand at the very least a chance to defend myself and see the evidence as to how modding that file is cheating in multiplayer since war assets, that do not even appear in multiplayer, would surely give me some big advantage in said multiplayer.

[AresCrusader]

Bravenu3 wrote...

SimulatedSnowman wrote... However, cheaters are pretty industrious folks. Even with extremely dilligent design and patching, there's always going to be people who figure out ways around it.

But that's exactly not the case in ME3. Cheating can be done by editing a file in ones harddrive and exploting glitches that seem to be triggerable easily. Getting back to the gank robbery example, that's like locking neither front door nor vault at night.

But that still doesn't make robbing a bank legit, full stop. And I would never dream of doing it. You on the other hand...

[Silasqtx]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Here's a thought... maybe next time (assuming you get a next time) instead of modding and cheating and getting caught and banned, then whining about why you got banned, you simply skip all those middle steps by deciding NOT to cheat.

Really, it's that simple. Don't cheat, don't get banned. Ta-da!

Thank  you Batman, I really needed that pearl of widsom.

[Father_Jerusalem]

steampunk1850 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Here's a thought... maybe next time (assuming you get a next time) instead of modding and cheating and getting caught and banned, then whining about why you got banned, you simply skip all those middle steps by deciding NOT to cheat.

Really, it's that simple. Don't cheat, don't get banned. Ta-da!

Wow.... no one actually bothers to read what I write.  Yep I modded a file that only effects single player, which according to all links posted here is okay.  So yea I should get banned and not be allowed to demand at the very least a chance to defend myself and see the evidence as to how modding that file is cheating in multiplayer since war assets, that do not even appear in multiplayer, would surely give me some big advantage in said multiplayer.

You clearly don't bother reading the appeals process - which is your chance to "defend" yourself - so why should anyone bother reading what you write?

All you're trying to do is make yourself a martyr here. If you REALLY hadn't cheated, you'd appeal. Instead, here you are, even after BioWare made it clear they don't discuss bans in public, you're still trying to get them to discuss your ban... in public.

[Father_Jerusalem]

Silasqtx wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Here's a thought... maybe next time (assuming you get a next time) instead of modding and cheating and getting caught and banned, then whining about why you got banned, you simply skip all those middle steps by deciding NOT to cheat.

Really, it's that simple. Don't cheat, don't get banned. Ta-da!

Thank  you Batman, I really needed that pearl of widsom.

You're quite welcome. I'm a helper.

[tfoltz]

steampunk1850 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Here's a thought... maybe next time (assuming you get a next time) instead of modding and cheating and getting caught and banned, then whining about why you got banned, you simply skip all those middle steps by deciding NOT to cheat.

Really, it's that simple. Don't cheat, don't get banned. Ta-da!

Wow.... no one actually bothers to read what I write.  Yep I modded a file that only effects single player, which according to all links posted here is okay.  So yea I should get banned and not be allowed to demand at the very least a chance to defend myself and see the evidence as to how modding that file is cheating in multiplayer since war assets, that do not even appear in multiplayer, would surely give me some big advantage in said multiplayer.

Send your appeal to Bioware. You are talking about it in a forum of people who don't know you. People typically admit to less than what they really did, so it's easy for us to assume that you modded multiplayer files in addition to single player. Maxed out ultra-rares, gear, and an excessive amount of level III consumables leads to that assumption. It doesn't mean you are guilty, but putting yourself out in the public forum opens yourself up to scrutiny.

[steampunk1850]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

steampunk1850 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Here's a thought... maybe next time (assuming you get a next time) instead of modding and cheating and getting caught and banned, then whining about why you got banned, you simply skip all those middle steps by deciding NOT to cheat.

Really, it's that simple. Don't cheat, don't get banned. Ta-da!

Wow.... no one actually bothers to read what I write.  Yep I modded a file that only effects single player, which according to all links posted here is okay.  So yea I should get banned and not be allowed to demand at the very least a chance to defend myself and see the evidence as to how modding that file is cheating in multiplayer since war assets, that do not even appear in multiplayer, would surely give me some big advantage in said multiplayer.

You clearly don't bother reading the appeals process - which is your chance to "defend" yourself - so why should anyone bother reading what you write?

All you're trying to do is make yourself a martyr here. If you REALLY hadn't cheated, you'd appeal. Instead, here you are, even after BioWare made it clear they don't discuss bans in public, you're still trying to get them to discuss your ban... in public.

 
I did appeal.  No one who has appealed has heard a single peep from BW that would mean anything.  Not even an automated email saying hey we got your appeal.  Its all *silence* or "sorry we still think you are guilty'.  it is hard to make a defense when you do not know wjat you did. 

I would really love to know that my email reached them at the very least and the most I can hope for is to be able to understand the offense I have committed and be able to properly defend myself.

[Xerorei]

Hilarity, I've been a victim of "wrong ban" before, happened to me in PSU, I bought a double sword, was playing for weeks, suddenly banned for having a duped item, nevermind I did not know how to dupe items, and was a legitimate paying customer. So I emailed them, they investigated, and determined that I was not at fault, they caught the duper, and STILL refused to unban me, the victim.

Oh, BUT I could happily buy a new game for $40 and continue to play, I called my lawyer, they settled out of court. It literally took a lawsuit for me to get my money back, and as a sort of restitution/complimentary apology for their screw up they gave me a free account, I never used it.

It's most likely they use a script to detect and ban, scripts are made by humans, I got flagged for being hacked on Aion in December of the year of it's release, never the mind I had never been hacked, straightened it out, they assured me that they'd flag me immune the next ban wave. Four days later I got hit with another 3 day temporary ban for having a hacked account, and STILL wasn't hacked.

Just give them time to sort it out,if they fail to do it properly then take them to task.

[Feauce]

Chaoswind wrote...

I am sorry, but EULAs hold as much legal power in my country as a tisue.

All I would need is a considerable amount of people to place a case and make the EULA void,

Those that say that we don't own the game are right, but those that think that EA or Bioware can revoke and take our game away without any sort of (devolución) are wrong.

I hate to break this to you (okay, I lied right there), but yes they can. It doesn't matter how many people you have talking about it, or which country the court exists within.

First of all, you're still able to play the single-player. They're under no obligation to provide multiplayer to you (or any of the rest of us, for that matter) either indefinitely or without terms. Those terms are the EULA, which is a contract that you agree to by signing on to EA's servers and taking part in the multiplayer. If you break said contract, there are penalties that can include your access to multiplayer getting revoked.

Second, it's entirely your choice if you break the rules that govern multiplayer, which anyone with half a working brain should know without having to read them. They're quite simple; in fact, the biggest one is only two words long: "DON'T CHEAT"

Third, this game is operated entirely at EA's and BioWare's discretion. They could ban any one of us (or all of us) for any or even no reason and there's not a damned thing we could do about it. By that I mean there's nothing externally we could do; no court would intervene on our behalf. BioWare isn't likely to go ban-happy and start kicking random people, because (among other reasons) that isn't good for business.

[Greqo]

If you played 25 games w/ people whom you knew were cheating then that's just as bad as cheating yourself.