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[JohnnStarr]

power corrupts....absolute power corrupts absolute...

[KariTR]

Prisoner24601 wrote...

But I suspect it has to do with either wanting power or wanting a fairy tale happy ending. With Alistair, it's the only way in game to marry him, never mind that rather than having a proposal you just sort of announce to everyone in general that you're going to be married, taking him for granted.

I'm guessing it's mostly this.  I think it's hilarious actually that players push him to be king, when he clearly doesn't want to (unless you harden him I guess) and then get upset when he dumps the grey warden.

Honestly, Anora as queen makes more sense, to me anyway, than Alistair as king. Alistair is a nice guy, but I just can't picture him making the hard decisions that a king would have to make. So keeping them both as Grey Wardens and abdicating the throne seems like a more natural place for the
plot to go. Or even marrying him to Anora because they each have qualities the other lacks and would balance each other out nicely.

Actually, there is little difference between hardening and not hardening Alistair.

As for Anora, if she can rule so well, you have to explain how there is anarchy on the streets of Denirim (ref: Sergeant). If she can't even manage what is outside her front door, how is she going to cope with problems further afield?

[westiex9]

Because i love games that let me take power over the land, Its good to be the ruler. Bioware has my eternal gratitude for letting me take that route during the human noble playthrough



The result at the landsmeet is likely the only time you will ever see a grown man running around his room at 2;00 in the morning screaming "YEESSSSS IM GOING TO BE QUEEN!!!!!"

[bobsmyuncle]

Bibdy wrote...

"If I ruled the world, everything would be better!" - Everybody, ever.

I freely admit that when I become Global Empress I will be an implacable tyrant. Anyone who has ever posted a Twilight fan video on youtube will be launched into the sun without trial.

Will this make the world better? No. But I'll feel better, and that's enough.

[Tirigon]

The reason for me to search for Kingship is that I hate the Fereldan nobles in general, and Anora in special. I rescued Ferelden from the archdemon, why should I throw it to the wolves now? To be truely saved, Ferelden needs a strong yet kind and honorful leader, and Anora is nothing of that.

Besides, as King I could free the circle of Magi, hand back the elves their land, give them full citizen rights, legalize Blood Magic and, in the long run, maybe even get rid of the damned chantry.

[Herr Uhl]

bobsmyuncle wrote...

Bibdy wrote...

"If I ruled the world, everything would be better!" - Everybody, ever.

I freely admit that when I become Global Empress I will be an implacable tyrant. Anyone who has ever posted a Twilight fan video on youtube will be launched into the sun without trial.
Will this make the world better? No. But I'll feel better, and that's enough.

I'd vote for you if you had that policy.

[KariTR]

RageGT wrote...

KariTR wrote...

In every playthrough I have done, Alistair, whether romanced, hardened, unhardened, non-romanced, has always wanted to take the crown before seeing it go to Anora. That hasnt needed a "persuade" option; in my games, the only time persuade is needed is if a) I want him to marry my PC, or I want him to marry Anora.
Basically, yes he is reluctant to take the crown - as he almost says: who wouldnt be? - but he knows his duty lies in that direction once the Blight is taken care of. He also does a good job ruling
No doubt there are different ways the game plays out depending on a player's approach, but supporting Alistair's bid to be King can be the ultimate act of friendship, not the opposite as your experience suggests.

As for my hero, sometimes they live, sometimes they die, sometimes they rule, sometimes they don't. I don't really see the point in playing only one way and I am sure many of those "insisting" to be made monarch are the same way. I do agree with outlaworacle who said it is the ultimate "win" button in an RPG game though.

Beautifuly said!

So far my first PC, Human hero, in 3 runs have:
Saved the both of us - He's King alone (thanks to the bi.. err...witch)
Saved him and made him a married King and at last he followed Oghren's advice (any woman, no pants involved)
Saved myself and married Anora - She IS hawt, indeed!

Now with my city elf, I'm gutting every human I get the chance... but still so early in game... he's full of Rage!

Haha, my Dalish elf started out with that intention (and got her wish sooner than I could have anticipated!) but it was only my second playthrough and I didnt anticpate getting all weepy over the battle at Ostagar. I guess first playthrough I was still too busy learning the intricacies of the game, not to mention the characters, for it to have an emotional impact on me. Second time though, I was blubbing outside Flem's hut worse than Alistair, so all my bad intentions went out the window. I'm gonna rerun her as intended one of these days

westiex9 wrote...
The result at the landsmeet is likely the only time you will ever see a grown man running around his room at 2;00 in the morning screaming "YEESSSSS IM GOING TO BE QUEEN!!!!!"

PRICELESS!! Thanks for sharing that

Modifié par KariTR, 17 décembre 2009 - 10:00 .

[westiex9]

KariTR wrote...

westiex9 wrote...
The result at the landsmeet is likely the only time you will ever see a grown man running around his room at 2;00 in the morning screaming "YEESSSSS IM GOING TO BE QUEEN!!!!!"

PRICELESS!! Thanks for sharing that

I freely admit that that was my favourite ever video game playthrough, as much as i love the other playthroughs my first character is always going to be the one im most fond of . the only thing that will top this is if i get to be king of nevarra or Archon of tevinter in DA2, keep up the power choices Bioware.

Modifié par westiex9, 17 décembre 2009 - 10:10 .

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Don't understand it either myself. I can't really see the allure in ruling, especially since, in many cases, the real power lies not with a Monarch but those behind the scenes. A monarch does not have absolute power to change, and between the Chantry and Nobility, you really have to tap dance through a minefield of intrigue.



Non-Queen/king endings satisfied me more, personally.

[pc6311]

Daithin wrote...

So I’m playing threw the game again, and since coming to the forum I’ve noticed one particular inclination for people to want to be crowned Queen/king or put someone who DOES NOT WANT to be king on the throne.
 

Self preservation. I didn't think it was smart to let the woman whose father I just killed remain on the throne....

Modifié par pc6311, 17 décembre 2009 - 10:37 .

[FlintlockJazz]

JohnnStarr wrote...

power corrupts....absolute power corrupts absolute...

Power corrupts, absolute power is a whole lot of fun!

[westiex9]

FlintlockJazz wrote...

JohnnStarr wrote...

power corrupts....absolute power corrupts absolute...

Power corrupts, absolute power is a whole lot of fun!

Plus have you seen the clothes kings and queens get to wear, how could we not be corrupted by such awesome tailoring

[menasure]

hey i'm unemployed as warden after killing the archdemon and i need some job security afterward so king seems fitting enough .

Modifié par menasure, 17 décembre 2009 - 11:03 .

[FlintlockJazz]

westiex9 wrote...

FlintlockJazz wrote...

JohnnStarr wrote...

power corrupts....absolute power corrupts absolute...

Power corrupts, absolute power is a whole lot of fun!

Plus have you seen the clothes kings and queens get to wear, how could we not be corrupted by such awesome tailoring

I know, that fabric!  It's divine!  How could anyone resist usurping the established government and hurling thousands to their death in order to get to wear those lush gowns?!

[Daithin]

I guess my take on Anora is different then others. Sure shes a *expletive* sometimes, but as a ruler she struck me as a practical person. Sure she got me and Alistair thrown in the brig when I revealed her, but even the Arl states that she would be a good ruler.



It took me a few minutes to calm down after she threw me to the wolves and I had to figure my way out of the prison (I really didn't feel like being all sneaky like). The strange thing is I've never had her back stab me in the Landsmeet. I've also talked to Alistair, and he still insisted he did not want to be king. Even when I had to talk to them just before I made my decision to put someone on throne he was completely remiss about it.



Even when I talked to him he said he thought Anora would make a good queen.



The Arl's Argument about keeping the bloodline of Calenhad on the throne just didn't hold weight with me when it came down to what I felt was best for Alistair (Seeing as I considered him a true friend was going to make sure I stuck it out till the end). I'll admit it was selfish as well, I knew we would have to build the Grey Wardens back up after the Blight, and I thought of him as a friend who would make that process easier.



Even though Anora is a cunning witch, my decision didn't disappoint. She acted a fair ruler, and Alistair was more then happy to give up the Birth Right, that he says made his life miserable. I guess we all see differnt things as we play threw, but mine was never that Alistair wan't to be king. For me he begrudged his royal blood because it always colored his life.



If you listen to why he doesn't tell you about it, its because he did not want to have you look at him differently as well.



Once again though, my emotions could be clouding my judgment, but nothing ever lead me to believe that he wanted to be king. Anora, while somewhat power hungry (trust me I noticed it to) seemed reasonable enough. Even after I had her father killed.



None the less I guess I saw being a Grey Warden much more important then being a king/queen.

[westiex9]

Daithin wrote...

I guess my take on Anora is different then others. Sure shes a *expletive* sometimes, but as a ruler she struck me as a practical person. Sure she got me and Alistair thrown in the brig when I revealed her, but even the Arl states that she would be a good ruler.

It took me a few minutes to calm down after she threw me to the wolves and I had to figure my way out of the prison (I really didn't feel like being all sneaky like). The strange thing is I've never had her back stab me in the Landsmeet. I've also talked to Alistair, and he still insisted he did not want to be king. Even when I had to talk to them just before I made my decision to put someone on throne he was completely remiss about it.

Even when I talked to him he said he thought Anora would make a good queen.

The Arl's Argument about keeping the bloodline of Calenhad on the throne just didn't hold weight with me when it came down to what I felt was best for Alistair (Seeing as I considered him a true friend was going to make sure I stuck it out till the end). I'll admit it was selfish as well, I knew we would have to build the Grey Wardens back up after the Blight, and I thought of him as a friend who would make that process easier.

Even though Anora is a cunning witch, my decision didn't disappoint. She acted a fair ruler, and Alistair was more then happy to give up the Birth Right, that he says made his life miserable. I guess we all see differnt things as we play threw, but mine was never that Alistair wan't to be king. For me he begrudged his royal blood because it always colored his life.

If you listen to why he doesn't tell you about it, its because he did not want to have you look at him differently as well.

Once again though, my emotions could be clouding my judgment, but nothing ever lead me to believe that he wanted to be king. Anora, while somewhat power hungry (trust me I noticed it to) seemed reasonable enough. Even after I had her father killed.

None the less I guess I saw being a Grey Warden much more important then being a king/queen.

Its always amazing to see how varied the Experiences and opinions the game creates are, i mean depending on how you play the game can change completley.

In the case of Allistair i wasn't going to let him not liking his role as king be an excuse, as far as my character was concerned he had a duty to the people of ferelden and maker willing he was gonna fulfill it!

Round about the time anora got deposed for treachery and loghain got a bit taken off the top i noticed a big change in allistair's character he went from whiny and unwilling to do his duty as king to really becoming this strong and capable leader.

But in the playthrough were i married him off to anora he remained bumbling and lacking confidance. 

I suppose the fact that i had the chance to marry him and gain the throne was too good to pass up, but also i think he needed the support of the pc and a bit of a pep talk to get his act together. Afterall behind every Good maric is a better loghain.

With regards to the whole grey warden thing, My first pc was reluctant rather than truly dutiful and as far as i was concerned the grey warden business was just a means to survive, destroy howe and restore calm to the nation.

[ozenglish]

bobsmyuncle wrote...

Bibdy wrote...

"If I ruled the world, everything would be better!" - Everybody, ever.

I freely admit that when I become Global Empress I will be an implacable tyrant. Anyone who has ever posted a Twilight fan video on youtube will be launched into the sun without trial.

Will this make the world better? No. But I'll feel better, and that's enough.

So, can I be chief Twighlight Fan Inquisitor.. As long as I get the medieavel robes and funky technology. I will gladly assist. Mind you, you have to inlcude office worker cougars who keep on yelling, "Jacob, take your shirt off" during the movie. So yeah, there you go, less people, and we both get to feel better. lol.

[apantoliani]

On my female noble playthroughs, of the different endings I went for, I liked leaving Anora queen the most, while running off with Alistair in the sunset, followed by making Alistair King + PC's ultimate-sacrifice.



The only difference for me when it came to the King+Queen scenario (third and fourth), was if he was hardened, Alistair actually demanded to be king, whereas when he was unhardened, he just went with whatever I decided. After rolling over everything else in the game, him stepping up unexpectedly was... interesting.



And yes, it was all on the same toon, just going back enough via saved games to change the endings.

[Thiefy]

If I could put Eamon on the the throne, I would. I just don't like Anora. I don't believe she has Fereldan's best interest at heart, or at the very least, some severely twisted and skewed view of it. Since Eamon isn't an option though, the only other choice is Alistair, and what can I say, I'm selfish. I want my PC to be the only significant female romance for him.

[CcDohl2]

My main complaint is that Dwarf Nobles could not go back and take the throne in Orzammar. I played both sides against each other in trying to do that, only to find out that it's not possible

[ReubenLiew]

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

If I could put Eamon on the the throne, I would. I just don't like Anora. I don't believe she has Fereldan's best interest at heart, or at the very least, some severely twisted and skewed view of it. Since Eamon isn't an option though, the only other choice is Alistair, and what can I say, I'm selfish. I want my PC to be the only significant female romance for him.

Don't lie, I know the real reason you want Eamon on the throne!
You know he's not going to live long, so when he dies Teagan can take the throne and then you can make you moves onto becoming queen with him, amirite?
Devious... I like that.

[AntiChri5]

The fact that hardened Allistair demands the throne tells us a lot about what he truly wants.Allistair is so unconfidant that he is scared of being king because he is sure he will fail. If you harden him he becomes more focused on what HE wants rather than the flaws that seem to have almost been programmed into him by Eamon. Even unhardened he is a good king and i had no doubt he would quickly grow into that role.



I could be biased because im such a Robin Hobb fan (which is where i stole my sig from).

[Thiefy]

ReubenLiew wrote...

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

If I could put Eamon on the the throne, I would. I just don't like Anora. I don't believe she has Fereldan's best interest at heart, or at the very least, some severely twisted and skewed view of it. Since Eamon isn't an option though, the only other choice is Alistair, and what can I say, I'm selfish. I want my PC to be the only significant female romance for him.

Don't lie, I know the real reason you want Eamon on the throne!
You know he's not going to live long, so when he dies Teagan can take the throne and then you can make you moves onto becoming queen with him, amirite?
Devious... I like that.

I'm actually not part of the Teagan fan girl club lol.

Now CULLEN....that is another story >

[eschilde]

AntiChri5 wrote...

The fact that hardened Allistair demands the throne tells us a lot about what he truly wants.Allistair is so unconfidant that he is scared of being king because he is sure he will fail. If you harden him he becomes more focused on what HE wants rather than the flaws that seem to have almost been programmed into him by Eamon. Even unhardened he is a good king and i had no doubt he would quickly grow into that role.

I could be biased because im such a Robin Hobb fan (which is where i stole my sig from).

I agree with that. I think in a lot of ways Alistair is more manipulative than Morrigan professes to be. He enjoys being coddled and letting other people taking responsibility, so he tends to act spineless, but when it comes to doing what's 'right', he obviously has a pretty strong moral compass. In my playthroughs I generally make him king (with or without Anora) because I feel like he'll make good decisions under pressure. Granted, I usually toughen him up, too. 

[ReubenLiew]

Awww let us not kid ourselves!



Most girls (that can afford this game and the hardware to play it) were raised with the notion that they're princesses! Its only a natural state of progression that their inner child wants to manifests itself as Queen!