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[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

InverseReality wrote...

What bugs me is when players just go for the crown because it is, as someone said, the ultimate fantasy game "win." And win, I suppose = happily ever after?

Happily ever after aah yes... that old sentiment

I'm looking forward to taking my dark and blood magic wielding arcane warrior elf female mage into the circle tower and killing anyone and everyone.

Then... she shall have... peace

Specially when she has agreed with Anora that the royal bar steward needs to go join his father-like figure.

I can almost hear her saying "But Alastair, you say how much you miss him. Now, we are giving you the chance... to join him!" with a wicked smile as she stares at him (really is a shame you can't have your character do a 180 on him at that point and execute him the way you do Loghain or at least stabbity knife of doom him).

Writers Note: Before any of the Alastair fan-girls jump on me, I hasten to point I am not personally an Alastair hater, merely pointing out how some characters might not want to marry him (or have use for him)

[Recidiva]

Loki330 wrote...

I thought in regard to Warden  + Warden he just said it was *really* low.

I just assumed I'd convince him to adopt.  He's the king, I've got effective weapons and very little respect for human customs.  Not a problem.

[Recidiva]

As for "the ideal ending" thing, it's a bit disingenuous to talk about "not being able to reach a goal" in a game where so many goals are stymied.



At a certain point you have to realize it's a game, and not fall back on the excuse of blaming the player for wanting a more ideal outcome for the work put in.



When you've already had to walk straight into traps, deal with having to choose between 50% evil and 50% evil, and the choice of putting a weak or a corrupt ruler in power in Orzammar and then again in Denerim, it's not a complaint about "I want to be king/queen" so much as "I'm truly sick of having to murder to get anything done anywhere, and then accept that I can't wipe out the entire council and start over."



It's not about "Oh, I want to be a pretty princess" so much as it's about everyone there has their head up their royal anatomy and I'd prefer to not do so much work so everything falls apart the second I...say...die.

[Original182]

Loki330 wrote...
I thought in regard to Warden  + Warden he just said it was *really* low.

Here is the link to David Gaider's post regarding Warden fertility.

A Grey Warden can have a child... just not with another Grey Warden. So
in the case of Alistair being married to a female PC the only possible
result is no heir (unless Alistair has a child with someone other than
his wife, I suppose). Grey Wardens have a limited chance of conception
with a non-Grey Warden, but it does happen... and the child is not
tainted in any fashion.

http://social.biowar...504&lf=8#455902

An interesting comment by him is that 2 wardens cannot have offspring naturally. But unnaturally through things like blood magic? Maybe it's possible.

[Cybercat999]

I made my PC a queen just once, to see Alistairs reaction on my public announcement. After all, he never offered the option so I wouldnt dream of pushing the issue otherwise. He would actually have to beg me to marry him since I honestly like the "mistress" option much better (probably coming from being married too many times irl).

But ok, I wanted to see the reaction. I was plain disappointed. He seemed more embarrassed than happy. So I dropped out the queen part after that and stuck with what suits me better.

[keesio74]

How mad is Eamon to you if you support Anora? He's pretty intent on having Alistair as king (probably that fact that he knows he will be the #1 adviser motivates him too)

[Original182]

keesio74 wrote...

How mad is Eamon to you if you support Anora? He's pretty intent on having Alistair as king (probably that fact that he knows he will be the #1 adviser motivates him too)

In my first game, I supported Anora because Anora wanted the throne, and Alistair didn't.

Eamon was not mad, but when you talk to him at Redcliffe, he would sigh with regret that the throne would no longer have the Theirin bloodline.

Modifié par Original182, 19 décembre 2009 - 05:51 .

[Daithin]

Personally like I said I've 'Agreed to Disagree' with anyone else here.

I don't mind opinions, I just don't care for the "well I love this world more then you do, because I did this and you didn't." Esc mentality.

Anyway I'm a firm believer, in letting people be who they are. Changing someone for your own sake is tantamount to saying they aren't good enough for you. People have been doing it to others for years. The only true change however comes because the person wants it, not because someone else forces it on them.

Personally I'd never FORCE Alistair to be hardened if that's the only way he wants to be king. Some will justify sure, for the greater good or what is best for the person. Personally I don't think that holds water.

When it comes to me, I treated these people like I would treat any of my real friends whenever the game allowed it. I guess that means I'm a soft touch. Alistair to me was happy, I just had reaffirm to him that he does have friends, and that Duncan wasn't the only person that actually cared about what he wanted.

So when it came time to putting someone on the thrown i could see no reason to throw the man to the wolves there. Regardless of his blood or his so called duty.

Again my opinion. I think we are all just kind having some fun here. Even though we are all going around in circles.

[Cybercat999]

Daithin wrote...
Personally I'd never FORCE Alistair to be hardened if that's the only way he wants to be king. Some will justify sure, for the greater good or what is best for the person. Personally I don't think that holds water.

Personally I "hardened" Alistair because I was hell pissed off about my 15 golds he persuaded me to give that sister of his. I never cared for him to be a king, I believe Anora is much better material for ruling some country than he is.

[ejoslin]

If you don't harden Alistair, he is a tool the rest of his life. Seriously, try not hardening him, making Anora queen, and sacrificing yourself, and see if you really did him any favors keeping him soft. Or talk to him after he dumps you in the landsmeet and tell him what a good king he'll be. Keep him soft, he's unhappy and a tool and helpless without a strong person pulling the strings. He needs to grow up and face reality -- that's the only way he can be effective in his own right and not just a puppet. Telling someone what they want to hear is often not doing them a favor.

[The Capital Gaultier]

Daithin wrote...

Personally like I said I've 'Agreed to Disagree' with anyone else here.
I don't mind opinions, I just don't care for the "well I love this world more then you do, because I did this and you didn't." Esc mentality.
Anyway I'm a firm believer, in letting people be who they are. Changing someone for your own sake is tantamount to saying they aren't good enough for you. People have been doing it to others for years. The only true change however comes because the person wants it, not because someone else forces it on them.
Personally I'd never FORCE Alistair to be hardened if that's the only way he wants to be king. Some will justify sure, for the greater good or what is best for the person. Personally I don't think that holds water.
When it comes to me, I treated these people like I would treat any of my real friends whenever the game allowed it. I guess that means I'm a soft touch. Alistair to me was happy, I just had reaffirm to him that he does have friends, and that Duncan wasn't the only person that actually cared about what he wanted.
So when it came time to putting someone on the thrown i could see no reason to throw the man to the wolves there. Regardless of his blood or his so called duty.
Again my opinion. I think we are all just kind having some fun here. Even though we are all going around in circles.

Hardening Alistair has almost nothing to do with whether or not he wants to become king.  The only way it comes into play is if you allow Loghain to live (or so I've heard), where Alistair will still accept becoming king.  Besides that, the only effect that hardening him has is that he takes a better interest in governance and acts a bit more thoughtfully.  Regardless of which you choose, he wants to become king and performs the function aptly.

Modifié par The Capital Gaultier, 20 décembre 2009 - 12:21 .

[Sialater]

The Capital Gaultier wrote...

Daithin wrote...

Personally like I said I've 'Agreed to Disagree' with anyone else here.
I don't mind opinions, I just don't care for the "well I love this world more then you do, because I did this and you didn't." Esc mentality.
Anyway I'm a firm believer, in letting people be who they are. Changing someone for your own sake is tantamount to saying they aren't good enough for you. People have been doing it to others for years. The only true change however comes because the person wants it, not because someone else forces it on them.
Personally I'd never FORCE Alistair to be hardened if that's the only way he wants to be king. Some will justify sure, for the greater good or what is best for the person. Personally I don't think that holds water.
When it comes to me, I treated these people like I would treat any of my real friends whenever the game allowed it. I guess that means I'm a soft touch. Alistair to me was happy, I just had reaffirm to him that he does have friends, and that Duncan wasn't the only person that actually cared about what he wanted.
So when it came time to putting someone on the thrown i could see no reason to throw the man to the wolves there. Regardless of his blood or his so called duty.
Again my opinion. I think we are all just kind having some fun here. Even though we are all going around in circles.

Hardening Alistair has almost nothing to do with whether or not he wants to become king.  The only way it comes into play is if you allow Loghain to live (or so I've heard), where Alistair will still accept becoming king.  Besides that, the only effect that hardening him has is that he takes a better interest in governance and acts a bit more thoughtfully.  Regardless of which you choose, he wants to become king and performs the function aptly.

He also keeps a non-human or mage PC as his mistress if he's King.

[Palesblade]

eschilde wrote...

I'd sooner lick lyrium off Andraste's ass.

Considering all that's said about lyrium and Andraste, this probably really isn't such a bad thing.

Best line I've seen so far

[thegreateski]

Why wouldn't you want to be king?

[Laurelinde]

Personally I didn't really want Alistair to be king if he didn't really want to be, and I* was fairly ambivalent about being Queen/ruler myself. Unfortunately, I felt he needed to be king because there simply weren't any other acceptable options I was presented with; and I chickened out and chose life as queen instead of death as a Grey Warden because I felt that Alistair would be stronger with me than without me. I'm still torn about that though.





*Please note that when I say 'I' here I'm speaking in-character. I don't literally think I'm Queen of Ferelden. I like my indoor plumbing and modern amenities, thanks.