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#51
Bhatair

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Great buffs, I thought the mattock, the flamer and the piranha were pretty good before now it's just gravy.
The vindicator buff is nice, I like that gun early on but the first nerf hit it pretty hard. The phaseton is nice too, sometimes I like to run as a turian soldier with one for fun, good to know it will be a little more effective now.

#52
superligerzero

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Almost everything about the changes is super!!!! Thank you BW.

#53
oXTheReverendXo

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Yay! Buffs FTW!

#54
pyroboy2290

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I'm def. liking the balance changes this week. Would have maybe liked to see a few more AR's and maybe some (non hurricane) SMG buffs, but the balance changes that we got this week are all helpful and a step in the right direction.

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AR buffs! Huzzah!

#56
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SilentRich wrote...

Chriss5688 wrote...

Interesting. Mattock didn't need a buff IMO and the Piranha... lolz

Otherwise, good changes.


People like you are why we can't have nice things.


Mhm. I hate it when someone has something nice. Everything has to be absolutely horrible.

#57
Ares Caesar

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All needed buffs.

Keep up the good work.

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Vorcha Flamer
-Increase base range from 5 meters to 10 meters


Sweet!

#59
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My Mattock thanks you.

#60
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You know, it's actually really nice having the history of balance changes all in one thread. Going back and reviewing the changes is rather interesting.

#61
Ares Caesar

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Chriss5688 wrote...

SilentRich wrote...

Chriss5688 wrote...

Interesting. Mattock didn't need a buff IMO and the Piranha... lolz

Otherwise, good changes.


People like you are why we can't have nice things.


Mhm. I hate it when someone has something nice. Everything has to be absolutely horrible.


No intent to start any argument, but considering the Mattock does less damage per bullet than a Phalanx pistol, I'd say it was in need of a buff... most people cant shoot fast enough to exploit the fire rate on the Mattock, so having such a low damage per bullet (thereby a low DPS) made it subpar in comparison.

As for the Piranha... I havent personally used it enough to know exactly what I think about that buff (since it seems to shoot more than 8 pellets like most shotguns, meaning thats a lot of damage per shot) - so this one could be a bit unnecessary.

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Chriss5688 wrote...

SilentRich wrote...

Chriss5688 wrote...

Interesting. Mattock didn't need a buff IMO and the Piranha... lolz

Otherwise, good changes.


People like you are why we can't have nice things.


Mhm. I hate it when someone has something nice. Everything has to be absolutely horrible.


The Mattock needed a buff to be on par with the UR weapons. Now everybody can fight the good fight with the same damage output :)

#63
upinya slayin

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Vindicator Assault Rifle
-Damage increased from [62.4-78.0] to [68.6-85.8]

Mattock Assault Rifle
-Damage increased from [94.2-117.8] to [103.6-129.5]

Phaeston Assault Rifle
-Damage increased from [38.1-47.6] to [41.9-52.4]

Piranha Shotgun
-Damage increased from [63.6-79.6] to [70.9-88.7]

Vorcha Flamer
-Increase base range from 5 meters to 10 meters

Vindicator probably still isn't very good
mattock was already good enough to be a rare, its probably awesome now. best uncommon in the game
phaeston i'll have to try now. i've seen people destroy with it already. still isn't as good as the mauraders verison ;)
Pirhanna - OMG it was already sick. can't wait to try it now
vorcha flamer - same as above

#64
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What was the point of nerfing the Vindicator in the first place if you put it back how it was, damage wise?

It actually needs a real buff, not its default damage. Everything else is great.

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Ziegrif

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Piranha Shotgun
-Damage increased from [63.6-79.6] to [70.9-88.7]

o.O u serious?
HELL YES! THIS IS GONA BE GREAT!!

#66
MajorBlazkowicz

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upinya slayin wrote...

Vindicator Assault Rifle
-Damage increased from [62.4-78.0] to [68.6-85.8]

Mattock Assault Rifle
-Damage increased from [94.2-117.8] to [103.6-129.5]

Phaeston Assault Rifle
-Damage increased from [38.1-47.6] to [41.9-52.4]

Piranha Shotgun
-Damage increased from [63.6-79.6] to [70.9-88.7]

Vorcha Flamer
-Increase base range from 5 meters to 10 meters

Vindicator probably still isn't very good
mattock was already good enough to be a rare, its probably awesome now. best uncommon in the game
phaeston i'll have to try now. i've seen people destroy with it already. still isn't as good as the mauraders verison ;)
Pirhanna - OMG it was already sick. can't wait to try it now
vorcha flamer - same as above


If you look at the history of balance changes the Vindicator was one of the first guns they nerfed, they buffed it back up to normal now!

#67
Atalanta

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Love the Phaeston, hope the buff is enough to make getting kicked for using it a little less likely on Silver and Gold. :(

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InTheZone

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upinya slayin wrote...

Vindicator Assault Rifle
-Damage increased from [62.4-78.0] to [68.6-85.8]

Mattock Assault Rifle
-Damage increased from [94.2-117.8] to [103.6-129.5]

Phaeston Assault Rifle
-Damage increased from [38.1-47.6] to [41.9-52.4]

Piranha Shotgun
-Damage increased from [63.6-79.6] to [70.9-88.7]

Vorcha Flamer
-Increase base range from 5 meters to 10 meters

Vindicator probably still isn't very good
mattock was already good enough to be a rare, its probably awesome now. best uncommon in the game
phaeston i'll have to try now. i've seen people destroy with it already. still isn't as good as the mauraders verison ;)
Pirhanna - OMG it was already sick. can't wait to try it now
vorcha flamer - same as above


No. Mattock should not be a rare considering it has the same damage output as the Phalanx, a bloody pistol.

#69
HoochieHamiltoe

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Vindicator is great if you know how to use it. One of my favorite guns, and very glad to see it get a buff.

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cronshaw

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That flamer buff is awesome

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I get serious hand fatigue when I use the mattock.

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ndw542

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1. The Piranha X already wrecked in close range on Gold, and it's really light when maxed. All in all, I think you guys have given us a great new weapon; thanks! I think it strikes a balance between disintegrating everything at close range and utter ineffectiveness at mid-range and beyond.

2. Was the animation for the Flamer skill also extended, or will be now be treated to something only Pyros have thus far enjoyed (melting faces with the superheated air five meters in front of the visible flame)?

#73
Haersvaelg

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Great to see some assault rifle love (especially the mattock which I really like, but felt that just punched a little bit below its weight), and I won't complain about the piranha buff either, since I've been enjoying that so far.

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Master Xanthan

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These are great balance changes.

#75
Darkfoxz87

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VINDICATOR BUFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!