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[Xemnas07]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

In news that I'm sure will shock everyone...

ME2 had you eliminate a major Reaper ally, save millions of lives, stall the Reaper Invasion and prevent the construction of a flag ship.

I'd say that's pretty freaking relevant to the plot.

no, not really.

the collectors meant nothing to ME1, or ME3. how is introducing an enemy, only to eliminate them at games end relevant to what comes before or after?

do people who didnt play ME2 have any idea who or what harbinger even is in ME3???

i mean where are the consequences? letting the council die in ME1, means theres still a council in ME3. killing legion means theres a reprogrammed legion in ME3. save the rachni, who cares? blah blah blah. its stupid i quit.

also, enemy protections are stupid.

sctually, i foound out that in ME3, you can only save NE of the races, geth or quarian, if Legion is dead, but can save BOTH if he lives into ME3, which is a majot diff in myopinion. Idk about rachni queen cuz i havent played through ME3 yet with an import where i saved her.

[Xemnas07]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Xemnas07 wrote...

sctually, i foound out that in ME3, you can only save NE of the races, geth or quarian, if Legion is dead, but can save BOTH if he lives into ME3, which is a majot diff in myopinion.

Except 2/3 of players choose destroy, making that effectively pointless.

hha ayea, like i said, i agree the endings sucked, but thats a dead horse and not being discussed here lol

[comrade gando]

one of the things that ticks me off most about this whole scenario is how many lies the devs told people pre-release. practically all of their statements were completely false by the time the game ended, and they claim artistic integrity and won't change their work because of fan demand.

That's like telling someone you'll give them a beer, then you don't. and when they ask where's his beer you tell them you're not giving them one because he can't make you. does that make sense?... no it doesn't. that's why I'm not giving these gypsies any more money.

[Kunari801]

Xemnas07 wrote...

hha ayea, like i said, i agree the endings sucked, but thats a dead horse and not being discussed here lol

But the endings are the main reason for ME3's issues. 

[Xemnas07]

Kunari801 wrote...

Xemnas07 wrote...

hha ayea, like i said, i agree the endings sucked, but thats a dead horse and not being discussed here lol

But the endings are the main reason for ME3's issues. 

yes but im discussing the fact that ALL the flaws people claim ME3 has, are present in ME2 on a much larger scale, and they ignore that fact and praise ME2, not discussing what the ending does, because its been done to death already and wont change in the future

[Blacklash93]

- ME1 had the best main plot and good characters besides Tali. Don't get me wrong I liked her in ME2 despite her turning somewhat into a star-struck daddy's girl, but in ME1 she was little more than a lore dispenser with no charge of coin.

Combat was boring and unresponsive and occassionally frustrating and the Citadel was just needlessly large spaces that could drive you insane if you used the elevators regularly.

- ME2, ridiculously prevalent parental issues aside, had the best characters. The plot was filler that brought in absolutely retarded and needless elements like Shepard's death and the Lazarus Project. The whole premise is systematically gathering a band of misfits, defeating an inconsequential puppet army and, in Arrival, delaying the Reaper invasion. Also the Protheans being the Collectors was an awful move. In the end it really felt like it didn't need to happen. Gameplay and level design were vastly improved, though.

The lack of build-up to the Reaper war in ME2 really hurt the trilogy.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 18 juillet 2012 - 11:41 .

[RukiaKuchki]

It's a little ironic that people are singing praise for ME2 when it was crucified on the BSN when it was released for being too different to ME1, certainly in terms of game play. Mass Effect had to evolve - what's the point in re-hashing the same game? Bioware would have received immense criticism for this.

I think we grossly underestimate the importance of what we learned from ME2. We learned more about the tragic end of the Protheans and how they were genetically re-purposed by the Reapers. We learned about the Reaper reproduction cycle, and that the true horror of what awaits humanity if Shephard fails to stop them is a fate worse than death. We learn how some of the Geth have been manipulated by the Reapers and that the majority are a peaceful civilisation seeking their own place in the galaxy. We start to suspect that the Quarians are not the innocent victims they claim to be. We learned that humanity has a dark side in the form of Cerberus, who are willing to manipulate and sacrifice their own to achieve its goals. We also learned more about the cultures populating the Milky Way. Each individual side story introduces another weapon in the fight against the Reapers, but it also reminds the player of what is at stake should Shephard fail. It is not just humanity that will be lost - the Asari (personified by Liara), Salarians (personified by Mordin), Turians (Garrus), Quarians (Tali), Drell (Thane), Krogan (Grunt)... advanced cultures that we get to know personally - will be lost forever. We risk losing friends, not numbers. A lot of these things are well hidden within an action game, but the deep story is still there if you think about it. ME2 is, in my opinion, a very successful stepping stone to the final act that essentially spells out in no uncertain terms the scale and near hopelessness of the fight head and what Shephard stands to lose, and thus should not be disregarded as a simple action game.

[MisterJB]

You claim that there were less RPG elements in ME2?

I disagree. I remember Shepard being able to call Cerberus terrorists or instead, tell Miranda he wishes they had asked him to join them.
In ME3, whenever Hackett appeared, my Shepard would suddently become an "Yes Man".

[Taboo]

MisterJB wrote...

You claim that there were less RPG elements in ME2?

I disagree. I remember Shepard being able to call Cerberus terrorists or instead, tell Miranda he wishes they had asked him to join them.
In ME3, whenever Hackett appeared, my Shepard would suddently become an "Yes Man".

Oh and the touching.

Damn.

FEELING DOWN SQUADMATE? LET ME TOUCH YOU AND INVADE YOUR PERSONAL SPACE.

[KotorEffect3]

Now now let's not have any ME 2 vs ME 3 fights. They are both better than ME 1

[Kunari801]

Xemnas07 wrote...

Kunari801 wrote...

Xemnas07 wrote...

hha ayea, like i said, i agree the endings sucked, but thats a dead horse and not being discussed here lol

But the endings are the main reason for ME3's issues. 

yes but im discussing the fact that ALL the flaws people claim ME3 has, are present in ME2 on a much larger scale, and they ignore that fact and praise ME2, not discussing what the ending does, because its been done to death already and wont change in the future

Emotion trumps Logic. 

People forgive ME2's flaws becuase the ending gave the players a sense of victory and winning.  ME2's ending, even at it's darkest, was emotionally satisfying and "Hopeful and Uplifting" 

[Xemnas07]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Now now let's not have any ME 2 vs ME 3 fights. They are both better than ME 1

LMAO Devils Advocate

[WarGriffin]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Now now let's not have any ME 2 vs ME 3 fights. They are both better than ME 1

-hands you Phalanx with one shot left-

I hope I don't have to explain what you do with that right

[Xemnas07]

Kunari801 wrote...

Xemnas07 wrote...

Kunari801 wrote...

Xemnas07 wrote...

hha ayea, like i said, i agree the endings sucked, but thats a dead horse and not being discussed here lol

But the endings are the main reason for ME3's issues. 

yes but im discussing the fact that ALL the flaws people claim ME3 has, are present in ME2 on a much larger scale, and they ignore that fact and praise ME2, not discussing what the ending does, because its been done to death already and wont change in the future

Emotion trumps Logic. 

People forgive ME2's flaws becuase the ending gave the players a sense of victory and winning.  ME2's ending, even at it's darkest, was emotionally satisfying and "Hopeful and Uplifting" 

my point exactly, p[eople are letting their emotions about ME3 endings get in the way of the fact that it was actually an AMAZING game, and any flaws they claim ME3 has, ME2 also has on a much larger scale.

[KotorEffect3]

WarGriffin wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Now now let's not have any ME 2 vs ME 3 fights. They are both better than ME 1

-hands you Phalanx with one shot left-

I hope I don't have to explain what you do with that right

Well they are better

[F4H bandicoot]

ME2's flaws that you mention however, are not as prevelant as ME3's.
ME2 is more RPG'y than 3, Has better dialouge, choices from ME1 arn't really important as its the middle chapter of the story. It also has better characters, the idea of having to work with Cerberus is a great one (imo)
It made massive improvements from ME1, graphically it was on another level, we got a better exploration method, they removed things the community didn't like. The plot was more to set the stage for what was to occur in 3 imo, and we did get lots of emotive moments. The whole game felt polished, which 3 doesn't.

[frostajulie]

OP I read your post and while I agree with what you said I disagree with your opinion see ME2 was really fun to play. I still love playing it, I am currently playing it right now Its really fun Shepard totally kicks ass and takes names and because so much of the game IS character development I really love the cast. Except for jacobs bad attitude and chiclet teeth There is not 1 thing I do not love about the entire game (except planet scanning thank you gibbed editor) ME3 is not as much fun and they ****ed the endings so bad they almost ruined the franchise. I also hate the movement in ME3 floating and no heft. ME2 is still my favorite and ME3 should have been as polished. I am hopeful that DLC will polish it up.

And I was very moved many times in ME2 but not like I was in ME3 like you I cried hard. But the payoff was the end and that payoff blows in me3.

[Xemnas07]

F4H bandicoot wrote...

ME2's flaws that you mention however, are not as prevelant as ME3's.
ME2 is more RPG'y than 3, Has better dialouge, choices from ME1 arn't really important as its the middle chapter of the story. It also has better characters, the idea of having to work with Cerberus is a great one (imo)
It made massive improvements from ME1, graphically it was on another level, we got a better exploration method, they removed things the community didn't like. The plot was more to set the stage for what was to occur in 3 imo, and we did get lots of emotive moments. The whole game felt polished, which 3 doesn't.

did you read my whole forum? yes i agree ME3 felt rushed, but ONLY from the point of invading TIM's base to the ending, the rest of the game was pretty awesome. THe only RPG aspect ME2 has over ME3 is more dialogue choices, and MAYBE exploration, but imo, it doesnt make sense fo you to be standing at a strip lub for hours dealing with merc assignments while the reapers butt f*** the galaxy. Imo, the autodialogue that there was in ME3 helped BW cuz they wanted to set a certain tone, cant do that if 3 diff dialogue choices say the same thing and interrupt an intense moment 30 times in 2 minutes. They still let you choose what to say when it was important and would make a diff, which is all i wanted.

[F4H bandicoot]

I read you whole post OP, I disagree with it.

[jetfire118]

Because thats how it is these days. Second game comes out and its called ****.. and continue to ride on the first game... Then when the third game comes out. Everyone calls that one **** and hop on the second game... Thus forgetting all the hate they had toward the second game MAGICALLY Yea BIO isn't the only one who uses ****ing magic.

[Xemnas07]

F4H bandicoot wrote...

I read you whole post OP, I disagree with it.

i respect your opinion, stay thirsty my friend.

[Kunari801]

Xemnas07 wrote...

Kunari801 wrote...
Emotion trumps Logic. 

People forgive ME2's flaws becuase the ending gave the players a sense of victory and winning.  ME2's ending, even at it's darkest, was emotionally satisfying and "Hopeful and Uplifting"   

my point exactly, p[eople are letting their emotions about ME3 endings get in the way of the fact that it was actually an AMAZING game, and any flaws they claim ME3 has, ME2 also has on a much larger scale.

ME2 had issues true, but there is many issues with ME3 that ME2 did not have.  

Auto-Dialog
Very few neutral options in dialog 
Click-to-talk to crew on Normandy (Zaheed style conversations) 
Very few side missions - Just Scan-&-Fetch
Plot Holes
Linear map designs 

Now, ME3 was a "good" game and I had a ton of fun on my first Shepard, but I didn't get the replay value like I did with ME1 and ME2. 

[The Spamming Troll]

RukiaKuchki wrote...

It's a little ironic that people are singing praise for ME2 when it was crucified on the BSN when it was released for being too different to ME1, certainly in terms of game play. Mass Effect had to evolve - what's the point in re-hashing the same game? Bioware would have received immense criticism for this.
 

really, bro? you never played CoD or madden before?

ME1 "worked." im not so sure the changes were required. in my opinion nothing ME2 has makes me think its better overall game then ME1.

give me ME1s story, with ME2s sidequests, with ME3s combat(but keep the overheat mechanic for weapons!), add dialogue interupts....and thats about it.

^best game ever

also, i only started to apreaciate ME2 after i played ME3. i mean in terms of playing a game that gives me weapons, force powers, in a choose your own adventure set in a sci fi universe, theres really only 3 options and all of them are made by bioware. so i can say i like ME2 now only because its ranked 2nd.

Modifié par The Spamming Troll, 18 juillet 2012 - 11:56 .

[F4H bandicoot]

Good
As I am currently playing through all 3 gaes right now my opinion is pretty up to date aha