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[noobcannon]

Justin2k wrote...

Can we stop pretending it was anything more than poor writing?

if you are asking for my permission, the answer is no. now go to your room.

[Wyatt Shepard]

Justin2k wrote...

Wyatt Shepard wrote...

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That's a great post you wrote there.  And I agree with you on many points.  However just a couple of things.

Frodo may have had a choice.  Star Wars may have had a good guys win, darth vader is nice really, predictable ending.  However both endings perfectly fitted the triology and sent people off home on a good note.

Have you played Red Dead Redemption?  Your hero dies at the very end of the game and the last 2% you play as his son.  It was a controversial ending.  However it fitted the game.

My argument with this ending is it does not fit.  You can make an argument for it fitting Mass Effect 3 as a standalone game and that is a flimsy argument in itself.  Apart from the child at the beginning, the recurring dreams and the conflict on Rannoch which is SOLVED, there is little foreshadowing.  However as for the series as a whole, this ending came out of left field, we all know it did because there wouldn't be such an uproar.

I believe the ending to Mass Effect should have involved defeating Harbinger, saving the galaxy and going on from there.  Shepard could live die or whatever.   The world could be wartorn or blown apart.  But this ending?  They tried to be too arty.  Or they ran out of time, played Deus ex machina and said "ah that'll do". 

Noone can really argue that this is a great ending.  They may personally have liked it.  But if it was great or even good, it wouldn't have caused so much fuss.  Also look at Mac Walters (hudson's best friend) writing credentials and it's clear he was not really the right man for the job.

I tend to agree with your criticism of the ending to a degree.

I don't think it did not "fit" Mass Effect. I thought it fit very well. But the starbrat did not fit. The actual ending worked mostly, but the reaper brain appearing in the form of the kid from Shep's dreams did not work out too well for me. If the kid was revealed to be Harbinger trying to frak with Shep one final time or something, yah I could buy that.

[daaaav]

maaaze wrote...


I think you are deluding yourself. 

I think you are deluding yourself because you don´t like the ending and thats all there is to it.

I am a literature major. 

and?

 I understood the ending just fine. 

Well you OP suggestes otherwise...

Shepard finds out that the protheans planned a super weapon.  He/She didn't have a clue what it did but decided to spend valuable time and resources on building it anyway.   

"It is not much of a plan ...but it is the only thing we got."

Shepard then goes to the Citadel to find the Catalyst, to find out the heart of the citadel is some boy Shepard saw get killed earlier on.  

It is only a representation of the catalyst...he is not actually the boy....He manifests itself through the memorys of Shepard.

Shepard asks boy how to defeat the reapers.  He gives Shepard several choices, none of which are going to satisfy the majority of the millions of fans of the series.  Most of which are trivial.

The only thing the Catalyst does is to explain the motivations of the reapers and what the crucible does.
He does not give him the choice...he gives him the context.

It's just not a great ending to a triology.  It also abandons many themes that have been set in the previous installments such as the races struggling to get on, the human race believing they are superior etc.  They finally all unite and lose?   

The organics vs. synthetics theme was present throught the series...it began with the very first death in the series.
futhermore the motivations of the antagonist have nothing to do with the themes of the series.
The actions of the protoganist do...it was always about sacrifice and the understanding of what life is, among other things.

They finally all unite and lose?  

They are ending a cycle which was in place for millions of years...if thats not a victory than what is?

You can like what you like, but the ending still to this day has many plotholes and seems poorly thought out.  It is badly written from a literary standpoint.  You liking it does not make it otherwise 

What most claim as plotholes are created through baseless assumptions ... It is not hard to find explonations for everything that is not spelled out... the narritve in end holds strong.

The ending lets you reflect on important questions : what is life? do the ends justify the means ? how can good intentions go bad ?...should there be a higher power (control)...what makes life unique (synthesis)...ect.

exploring these questions is what makes the ending meaningful and in my mind equals good.

EDIT: like i said...if you don´t like the direction it took...fine...but just saying it is badly written...I have to disagree strongly...

Sorry mate..... no......just no.....

I guess if you strap together all the elements of the ending that somewhat resemble a coherent narrative and pass 10000000000 Volts through them, you may somehow animate an ending to the trillogy.

Doesn't change the fact that what you have is the Frankensteins Monster of storytelling.... Your doing no favors to Bioware by not telling them that they goofed and instead start to stray down the path of contrarianism and apologetics..

[Justin2k]

CoolioThane wrote...

Justin2k "Everyone's free to have their opinion"

x "I have faith in Bioware"

Justin2k "You are DELUDED"

That's what I gathered from this thread really. I look at threads like these, and I look back to the IT thread and think "You know what...I'm glad I'm an ITer, I'm glad I have faith in people and in Bioware." IT is, in my opinion, the best way the series can go. You can hate on me for thinking so, but it doesn't matter.

I believe if IT is to come true, the OP will look incredibly stupid...like incredibly so, and it will be hilarious. If IT is not true, then at least I'm still happy with my headcanon

You are welcome to your opinion.   You have faith that Bioware are suddenly going to say "yes, we intended what that guy on the internet wrote".  My question is, why didn't they make that clear in game, and wasn't the extended cut the time to make that clear? 

Like you say it is headcanon.  I don't mind if you want to make an ending up in your head, thats fine.  But believing thats what Bioware intended just because you have "faith" in a games designer?  I'm sorry but I think we both know if they intended anything bigger and better than what they had, they would have put it in the game to shut people up.   If it were anything more than some guys imagination, then it would have been made clear in EC.  It's just bad writing, sorry if you can't accept that your favorite games company is capable of failure.

[D24O]

Wyatt Shepard wrote...

I tend to agree with your criticism of the ending to a degree.

I don't think it did not "fit" Mass Effect. I thought it fit very well. But the starbrat did not fit. The actual ending worked mostly, but the reaper brain appearing in the form of the kid from Shep's dreams did not work out too well for me. If the kid was revealed to be Harbinger trying to frak with Shep one final time or something, yah I could buy that.

If the Catalyst was not an avatar for the Reapers, I think it would've worked much better, the choice would've been free for the taint of having to acquiese to the enemy's ideals or methids. That is probably my biggest problem with the endings in terms of "fitting" with the rest of the story. Shepard usually doesn't just roll over and give up.

[Leonardo the Magnificent]

Mass Effect has always had mediocre writing. Just look at ME2. It has the most pointless and detached plot in the series, but it's a well liked game. And then there's ME, which just shoots expository information at you without actually showing you much of anything, all the while going about with a rather contrived plot, but it's almost a cult classic.

Honestly, ME3 had the best bits of writing in the trilogy; it just gets overshadowed by the incredibly weak third act. So, yes, the ending was bad writing, but the rest of the series hasn't exactly been phenomenal either.

Modifié par Leonardo the Magnificent, 19 juillet 2012 - 01:49 .

[shurikenmanta]

Justin2k wrote...

shurikenmanta wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

shurikenmanta wrote...

I still don't see how it was stolen. Shepard never joined the Illuminati or turned off the interwebs...

Hell, the 'new dark age' ending in Deus Ex was inspired by the end of Escape from LA.

Thats because you are a fanboy.  Go watch the Deus Ex Machina ending on youtube.  Same choices.  Same colours even.

I would argue that I have probably played Deus Ex (not 'Deus Ex Machina') to a greater extent than yourself. The choices are not identical at all - no more so then New Dark Age was identical to Escape from LA.

I'm not even dignifying the 'you are a fanboi so your opinion is irrelevant' shot with a response, it dismisses itself better than I ever could have.

If you're going to make wild accusations of a criminal nature (plaigiarism), back it up with your own evidence and arguments.

I need no evidence, your posts in this thread attacking someone who has a different opinion than you is all I need.  Not just here either, you troll any thread that is critical of the writing of Mass Effect and your only argument seems to be that people are whiners and complainers, rather than add any constructive reasoning as to why the ending is so great.  Again, go and rewatch the endings of Deus Ex, they are exactly the same.  Control, Destroy, Join.  Perhaps you need it put into those words so that you can understand?  I do not care less about escape from LA, nor do you have any reason to believe you have played Deus Ex to a deeper extent than I have.  But I'm done talking with you, troll on.

In other words, you can't back it up and are throwing a massive rage because of it.

I'll admit I take the ****** out of melodrama, but I'd like to think I treat legitimate, sane criticism with some degree of respect.

I will try again - the endings of Deus Ex (Merge with Helios, New Dark Age, Join The Illuminati) are not identical endings to the Mass Effect ending choices. There are some thematic similarities, but no more so than Deus Ex itself has to other forms of media.

Modifié par shurikenmanta, 19 juillet 2012 - 01:54 .

[jkflipflopDAO]

blueumi wrote...

not sure what to think it's just never happend to bioware before never they write better then most other games
even dragon age 2 was well written and made sense even if it disapointed me to no end
I don't get how they could fail in that area
there has to be a reason other then bad writing

Electronic Arts.

[Justin2k]

shurikenmanta wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

shurikenmanta wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

shurikenmanta wrote...

I still don't see how it was stolen. Shepard never joined the Illuminati or turned off the interwebs...

Hell, the 'new dark age' ending in Deus Ex was inspired by the end of Escape from LA.

Thats because you are a fanboy.  Go watch the Deus Ex Machina ending on youtube.  Same choices.  Same colours even.

I would argue that I have probably played Deus Ex (not 'Deus Ex Machina') to a greater extent than yourself. The choices are not identical at all - no more so then New Dark Age was identical to Escape from LA.

I'm not even dignifying the 'you are a fanboi so your opinion is irrelevant' shot with a response, it dismisses itself better than I ever could have.

If you're going to make wild accusations of a criminal nature (plaigiarism), back it up with your own evidence and arguments.

I need no evidence, your posts in this thread attacking someone who has a different opinion than you is all I need.  Not just here either, you troll any thread that is critical of the writing of Mass Effect and your only argument seems to be that people are whiners and complainers, rather than add any constructive reasoning as to why the ending is so great.  Again, go and rewatch the endings of Deus Ex, they are exactly the same.  Control, Destroy, Join.  Perhaps you need it put into those words so that you can understand?  I do not care less about escape from LA, nor do you have any reason to believe you have played Deus Ex to a deeper extent than I have.  But I'm done talking with you, troll on.

In other words, you can't back it up and are throwing a massive rage because of it.

I'll admit I take the ****** out of melodrama, but I'd like to think I treat legitimate, sane criticism with some degree of respect.

I will try again - the endings of Deus Ex (Merge with Helios, New Dark Age, Join The Illuminati) are not identical endings. There are some thematic similarities, but no more so than Deus Ex itself has to other forms of media.

You're just trolling now.  There is nothing to back up.  I never said the endings were identical, I said the endings were stolen.  Do you really honestly believe Deus Ex was not the inspiration for the endings?  I'm pretty sure Walters even said so in an interview.  The colours in ME choices are even the same.  Yes, there are small differences but it's essentially the same ending with the same choices, the only difference being things topical to the individual games.  Shepard cannot join the illuminati because there is no Illuminati in mass effect, however it is no different otherwise.

[CoolioThane]

Justin2k wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Justin2k "Everyone's free to have their opinion"

x "I have faith in Bioware"

Justin2k "You are DELUDED"

That's what I gathered from this thread really. I look at threads like these, and I look back to the IT thread and think "You know what...I'm glad I'm an ITer, I'm glad I have faith in people and in Bioware." IT is, in my opinion, the best way the series can go. You can hate on me for thinking so, but it doesn't matter.

I believe if IT is to come true, the OP will look incredibly stupid...like incredibly so, and it will be hilarious. If IT is not true, then at least I'm still happy with my headcanon

You are welcome to your opinion.   You have faith that Bioware are suddenly going to say "yes, we intended what that guy on the internet wrote".  My question is, why didn't they make that clear in game, and wasn't the extended cut the time to make that clear? 

Like you say it is headcanon.  I don't mind if you want to make an ending up in your head, thats fine.  But believing thats what Bioware intended just because you have "faith" in a games designer?  I'm sorry but I think we both know if they intended anything bigger and better than what they had, they would have put it in the game to shut people up.   If it were anything more than some guys imagination, then it would have been made clear in EC.  It's just bad writing, sorry if you can't accept that your favorite games company is capable of failure.

Ha, again you assert your opinion on everyone else. Look, I don't care that you see it is bad writing, and I'm not going to insult you for thinking that. You're perfectly entitled to believe it. 

"yes, we intended what that guy on the internet wrote" - Hmm, this implies they didn't intend it from the start, which no-one except Bioware knows...so you're casting aspersions there. If you look deep into the series you recognise clues and foreshadowing leading to indoctrination. Heck, indoctrination is one of, if not the biggest theme in the trilogy.

If it was 100% clear then there would be no speculation, and people would just wait for the DLC. With the ambiguity of the endings as is, look at the speculating, just look at it! This is exactly what they want. It keeps people interested in the game, it keeps discs in trays, it's brilliant.

The Extended Cut was not the right time to release the content. It was too soon after the game's release. It wouldn't have the shock value it would when coming out at a later date...after the angry mob had subsided (which, let's be honest, it has, as many people are content with EC) - I'm seeing very clear links between the timeline of ME3 story and the current Multiplayer so perhaps we will see a release (if one is coming) along these lines 

No, I have faith in Bioware because of past games and everything, but also because I picked up on all of the clues left behind, (confirmed a lot of these clues were put in on purpose, which is interesting) and think it amazing. I'm not claiming IT is true because I have faith in Bioware, the two are mutually exclusive where I'm sitting, and if IT is proven, then it just further increases my faith in a great company.

"We both know" I think you're trying to say you know what I think more than myself? This is not true. Bioware did release the EC, which did shut people up...but I believe the IT will be released and wow a lot of people. I don't mind if I'm thought of as crazy, because even if it is not released...I've had the best time of my life with a game speculating the **** out of it! 

Sure I'll be disappointed if IT is not true, but I'll still live, it's only a game, which I've had the best time playing. I would be able to live with the current endings, as the universe is so fantastic, I won't let 10 minutes ruin everything for me. 

"sorry you can't accept Bioware is capable of failure"

This is pretty silly of you to say. You're trying, again, to say my opinion makes me deluded and that of course you are 100% correct. I can't accept they've failed with ME3, as it is a bloody good game. Yes, if the IT is not true, in my eyes that is a "relative failure" and will accept that...but I'm not going to claim the entire game be a failure if it's not true...as it isn't. 

[shurikenmanta]

Justin2k wrote...

shurikenmanta wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

shurikenmanta wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

shurikenmanta wrote...

I still don't see how it was stolen. Shepard never joined the Illuminati or turned off the interwebs...

Hell, the 'new dark age' ending in Deus Ex was inspired by the end of Escape from LA.

Thats because you are a fanboy.  Go watch the Deus Ex Machina ending on youtube.  Same choices.  Same colours even.

I would argue that I have probably played Deus Ex (not 'Deus Ex Machina') to a greater extent than yourself. The choices are not identical at all - no more so then New Dark Age was identical to Escape from LA.

I'm not even dignifying the 'you are a fanboi so your opinion is irrelevant' shot with a response, it dismisses itself better than I ever could have.

If you're going to make wild accusations of a criminal nature (plaigiarism), back it up with your own evidence and arguments.

I need no evidence, your posts in this thread attacking someone who has a different opinion than you is all I need.  Not just here either, you troll any thread that is critical of the writing of Mass Effect and your only argument seems to be that people are whiners and complainers, rather than add any constructive reasoning as to why the ending is so great.  Again, go and rewatch the endings of Deus Ex, they are exactly the same.  Control, Destroy, Join.  Perhaps you need it put into those words so that you can understand?  I do not care less about escape from LA, nor do you have any reason to believe you have played Deus Ex to a deeper extent than I have.  But I'm done talking with you, troll on.

In other words, you can't back it up and are throwing a massive rage because of it.

I'll admit I take the ****** out of melodrama, but I'd like to think I treat legitimate, sane criticism with some degree of respect.

I will try again - the endings of Deus Ex (Merge with Helios, New Dark Age, Join The Illuminati) are not identical endings. There are some thematic similarities, but no more so than Deus Ex itself has to other forms of media.

You're just trolling now.  There is nothing to back up.  I never said the endings were identical, I said the endings were stolen.  Do you really honestly believe Deus Ex was not the inspiration for the endings?  I'm pretty sure Walters even said so in an interview.  The colours in ME choices are even the same.  Yes, there are small differences but it's essentially the same ending with the same choices, the only difference being things topical to the individual games.  Shepard cannot join the illuminati because there is no Illuminati in mass effect, however it is no different otherwise.

I'm not trolling, I'm trying to make sense of your logic because quite frankly I'm finding it hard to understand.

Either it was stolen or it wasn't, dude. Influence != stealing. There's plenty of games out there that have similar thematic endings to other games, the only reason you're hung up on this one is because you're angry about it and anyone who says otherwise is clearly a Bioware plant or a troll.

Again, having played both games quite extensively, I don't believe there is theft there. Influence and thematic similarity, but not theft.

Modifié par shurikenmanta, 19 juillet 2012 - 02:02 .

[katness]

Seriously, if you guys don't think it's Dues Ex, just watch. It's pretty pathetic.

I can almost imagine Casey and Walters getting stoned one night while at work, and totally reminiscing about Dues Ex. Then in a stoned moment of glory, Casey and Walters say, "OMG! We should totally put the Dues Ex ending into Mass Effect 3, man!!"

[shurikenmanta]

katness wrote...



Seriously, if you guys don't think it's Dues Ex, just watch. It's pretty pathetic.

I can almost imagine Casey and Walters getting stoned one night while at work, and totally reminiscing about Dues Ex. Then in a stoned moment of glory, Casey and Walters say, "OMG! We should totally put the Dues Ex ending into Mass Effect 3, man!!"

But by that logic, Deus Ex is Escape From LA because New Dark Age is similar to that ending.

Warren Spector has a lot to answer for.

Modifié par shurikenmanta, 19 juillet 2012 - 02:08 .

[katness]

shurikenmanta wrote...

katness wrote...



Seriously, if you guys don't think it's Dues Ex, just watch. It's pretty pathetic.

I can almost imagine Casey and Walters getting stoned one night while at work, and totally reminiscing about Dues Ex. Then in a stoned moment of glory, Casey and Walters say, "OMG! We should totally put the Dues Ex ending into Mass Effect 3, man!!"

But by that logic, Deus Ex is Escape From LA because New Dark Age is similar to that ending.

Warren Spector has a lot to answer for.

I haven't seen those games yet.  But, the argument is still relevant and Casey and Walters stole an ending from an ending that stole an ending. Where does the stealing end!!??!!??

Modifié par katness, 19 juillet 2012 - 02:12 .

[shurikenmanta]

katness wrote...

shurikenmanta wrote...

katness wrote...



Seriously, if you guys don't think it's Dues Ex, just watch. It's pretty pathetic.

I can almost imagine Casey and Walters getting stoned one night while at work, and totally reminiscing about Dues Ex. Then in a stoned moment of glory, Casey and Walters say, "OMG! We should totally put the Dues Ex ending into Mass Effect 3, man!!"

But by that logic, Deus Ex is Escape From LA because New Dark Age is similar to that ending.

Warren Spector has a lot to answer for.

I haven't seen those games yet.  But, the argument is still relevant and Casey and Walters stole an ending from an ending that stole an ending. Where does the stealing end!!??!!??

See, I'm not so sure it *is* stealing. There are thematic similarities, sure, but it's not like they just switched names in there. There is deviation.

To answer your question - it's actually very, very rare for there to be any completely new ideas any more. Most fictional elements nowadays are influenced by something else. It's not necessarily a bad thing if it's done well.

[katness]

Mass Effect 3 wasn't done well....

Irregardless, it's pretty much the same template from Dues Ex. I think that's pretty lazy writing and shows a lack of creativity.

[MetioricTest]

Justin2k wrote...

Thread after thread after thread about the ending, the extended cut and everything else.  What if the indoctination theory was true, what if they really mean this, what if this is the real ending.

You're upset that fans are trying to have fun and discussions?


I don't understand why you want the fanbase to sit in a grumpy silence taking it in turns to say the ending is bad. I'd rather hear the Synthesis defending explain why it's good.

[v TricKy v]

shurikenmanta wrote...

katness wrote...

shurikenmanta wrote...

katness wrote...



Seriously, if you guys don't think it's Dues Ex, just watch. It's pretty pathetic.

I can almost imagine Casey and Walters getting stoned one night while at work, and totally reminiscing about Dues Ex. Then in a stoned moment of glory, Casey and Walters say, "OMG! We should totally put the Dues Ex ending into Mass Effect 3, man!!"

But by that logic, Deus Ex is Escape From LA because New Dark Age is similar to that ending.

Warren Spector has a lot to answer for.

I haven't seen those games yet.  But, the argument is still relevant and Casey and Walters stole an ending from an ending that stole an ending. Where does the stealing end!!??!!??

See, I'm not so sure it *is* stealing. There are thematic similarities, sure, but it's not like they just switched names in there. There is deviation.

To answer your question - it's actually very, very rare for there to be any completely new ideas any more. Most fictional elements nowadays are influenced by something else. It's not necessarily a bad thing if it's done well.

So tell me why have do we have the three choices in ME3 at all? Im pretty sure that all three games were about destroying the Reapers. In every game you stood against anyone who didnt want to destroy them.
The choices at the end have no place in Mass Effect in my opinion. Because the story was never about that.

[MetioricTest]

To answer your question - it's actually very, very rare for there to be any completely new ideas any more.

This is complete bull****. Original concepts and creative ideas are everywhere. It's just no spotlight gets shone on them as they are not big money makers and people don't go out looking for them.

It's like saying "There are no new film ideas anymore." After only watching Hollywood blockbusters.

[CoolioThane]

katness wrote...

Mass Effect 3 wasn't done well....

Irregardless, it's pretty much the same template from Dues Ex. I think that's pretty lazy writing and shows a lack of creativity.

http://tvtropes.org/...idge/MassEffect 

^Proves Bioware ain't no lazy writers

[CoolioThane]

MetioricTest wrote...

To answer your question - it's actually very, very rare for there to be any completely new ideas any more.

This is complete bull****. Original concepts and creative ideas are everywhere. It's just no spotlight gets shone on them as they are not big money makers and people don't go out looking for them.

It's like saying "There are no new film ideas anymore." After only watching Hollywood blockbusters.

But all of these "new" ideas always take inspiration from somewhere, most of them being other forms of art. He's saying ME3 was inspired by Deus Ex, just as other things are inspired by other things. A story I wrote was inspired by Assassin's Creed, which in turn was inspired by other things. It's still original, just not "completely new"

[Jahnfo]

 True, the ending was brilliantly written, but come on, don't you think you're over-exaggerating it just a tid bit?

If the ending was written by a child, I'm pretty sure Shepard would have sang the Reapers to sleep (not death, as there would be a palaver about how this child isn't being brought up right). But before the end, the game would just stop as that child would have gotten bored by then and gone to roll down a hill or spin around until they're dizzy.

All joking aside, the ending, while not brilliant, isn't terrible. The problem with the ending isn't what happens, but what it does. It's finalized Mass Effect as a series. You cannot go forward in the future without cutting 2 endings loose (Synthesis and Refusal).
I'll clarify.
Refusal wouldn't work, for obvious reasons. With Synthesis, Shepard essentially creates Heaven, or opens the gates to heaven (quite biblical in a way). And because of this perfect universe, there is no more conflict. Without conflict, there's nothing driving the game forward. If Bioware was to pull a Halo 4 on us (i.e. suddenly introduce a threat that's bigger than the one you just defeated that was shockingly absent from the previous games in any and all ways); a lot of us would be upset, as it would seem like just a way to grab more money of the franchise.

Sof the only option would be to go backwards. But that kicks up another problem.
By going backwards, it means that it's already happened. The ending is written in stone, and the Mass Effect game loses what many (myself included) treasure about the game. Suddenly, the story is no longer 'ours'; it's no longer about our story, our path.

[MetioricTest]

But all of these "new" ideas always take inspiration from somewhere, most of them being other forms of art.

I will agree with that but add it's pretty redudant as that has been the case for literally about two thousand years now.

Everything is inspired by something. Even this message I am posting now is inspired from messages I've seen posted.

[o Ventus]

katness wrote...

Mass Effect 3 wasn't done well....

Irregardless, it's pretty much the same template from Dues Ex. I think that's pretty lazy writing and shows a lack of creativity.

Not..

A...

Word...

/seething rage

[MetioricTest]

Jahnfo wrote...

 True, the ending was brilliantly written, but come on, don't you think you're over-exaggerating it just a tid bit?

If the ending was written by a child, I'm pretty sure Shepard would have sang the Reapers to sleep (not death, as there would be a palaver about how this child isn't being brought up right). But before the end, the game would just stop as that child would have gotten bored by then and gone to roll down a hill or spin around until they're dizzy.

I'd prefer that ending...