MetioricTest wrote...
But all of these "new" ideas always take inspiration from somewhere, most of them being other forms of art.
I will agree with that but add it's pretty redudant as that has been the case for literally about two thousand years now.
Everything is inspired by something. Even this message I am posting now is inspired from messages I've seen posted.
MetioricTest wrote...
To answer your question - it's actually very, very rare for there to be any completely new ideas any more.
This is complete bull****. Original concepts and creative ideas are everywhere. It's just no spotlight gets shone on them as they are not big money makers and people don't go out looking for them.
It's like saying "There are no new film ideas anymore." After only watching Hollywood blockbusters.
Wyatt Shepard wrote...
Justin2k wrote...
Wyatt Shepard wrote...
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That's a great post you wrote there. And I agree with you on many points. However just a couple of things.
Frodo may have had a choice. Star Wars may have had a good guys win, darth vader is nice really, predictable ending. However both endings perfectly fitted the triology and sent people off home on a good note.
Have you played Red Dead Redemption? Your hero dies at the very end of the game and the last 2% you play as his son. It was a controversial ending. However it fitted the game.
My argument with this ending is it does not fit. You can make an argument for it fitting Mass Effect 3 as a standalone game and that is a flimsy argument in itself. Apart from the child at the beginning, the recurring dreams and the conflict on Rannoch which is SOLVED, there is little foreshadowing. However as for the series as a whole, this ending came out of left field, we all know it did because there wouldn't be such an uproar.
I believe the ending to Mass Effect should have involved defeating Harbinger, saving the galaxy and going on from there. Shepard could live die or whatever. The world could be wartorn or blown apart. But this ending? They tried to be too arty. Or they ran out of time, played Deus ex machina and said "ah that'll do".
Noone can really argue that this is a great ending. They may personally have liked it. But if it was great or even good, it wouldn't have caused so much fuss. Also look at Mac Walters (hudson's best friend) writing credentials and it's clear he was not really the right man for the job.
I tend to agree with your criticism of the ending to a degree.
I don't think it did not "fit" Mass Effect. I thought it fit very well. But the starbrat did not fit. The actual ending worked mostly, but the reaper brain appearing in the form of the kid from Shep's dreams did not work out too well for me. If the kid was revealed to be Harbinger trying to frak with Shep one final time or something, yah I could buy that.
CoolioThane wrote...
MetioricTest wrote...
But all of these "new" ideas always take inspiration from somewhere, most of them being other forms of art.
I will agree with that but add it's pretty redudant as that has been the case for literally about two thousand years now.
Everything is inspired by something. Even this message I am posting now is inspired from messages I've seen posted.
I think that was what the other guy was trying to say, that ME3 was inspired by Deus Ex, it did not steal.
shurikenmanta wrote...
CoolioThane wrote...
MetioricTest wrote...
But all of these "new" ideas always take inspiration from somewhere, most of them being other forms of art.
I will agree with that but add it's pretty redudant as that has been the case for literally about two thousand years now.
Everything is inspired by something. Even this message I am posting now is inspired from messages I've seen posted.
I think that was what the other guy was trying to say, that ME3 was inspired by Deus Ex, it did not steal.
Got it in one
Adanu wrote...
If you think it was poor writing, that's fine.
Just don't force me to think so too, because I don't think so.
Oxspit wrote...
Adanu wrote...
If you think it was poor writing, that's fine.
Just don't force me to think so too, because I don't think so.
You know, you could just not read this thread. That way no-one could even be construed as trying to persuade you, let alone force you, which is a ridiculous thing to say either way.
Oxspit wrote...
Adanu wrote...
If you think it was poor writing, that's fine.
Just don't force me to think so too, because I don't think so.
You know, you could just not read this thread. That way no-one could even be construed as trying to persuade you, let alone force you, which is a ridiculous thing to say either way.
maaaze wrote...
The best writers are those who bring up questions...without giving permant answers...they explore the topic...add points to it...and let the reader conclude...everything else is preaching.
maaaze wrote...So you are agruing the endings were not mainstream enough...yeah being mainstream is surly a indicator of the quality of writing.
maaaze wrote... No ... I am not more than average ...I am just shocked how people justify not liking the ending in such condencending ways... the amount of baseless arguing is staggering...
maaaze wrote... The truth is i do not have to invent stuff...it is all in the narrative....if you are willing to connect the dots...it all fits very well...
Joben-Dallas wrote...
I think I'll make my own my up.
Justin2k wrote...
Wyatt Shepard wrote...
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That's a great post you wrote there. And I agree with you on many points. However just a couple of things.
Frodo may have had a choice. Star Wars may have had a good guys win, darth vader is nice really, predictable ending. However both endings perfectly fitted the triology and sent people off home on a good note.
Have you played Red Dead Redemption? Your hero dies at the very end of the game and the last 2% you play as his son. It was a controversial ending. However it fitted the game.
My argument with this ending is it does not fit. You can make an argument for it fitting Mass Effect 3 as a standalone game and that is a flimsy argument in itself. Apart from the child at the beginning, the recurring dreams and the conflict on Rannoch which is SOLVED, there is little foreshadowing. However as for the series as a whole, this ending came out of left field, we all know it did because there wouldn't be such an uproar.
I believe the ending to Mass Effect should have involved defeating Harbinger, saving the galaxy and going on from there. Shepard could live die or whatever. The world could be wartorn or blown apart. But this ending? They tried to be too arty. Or they ran out of time, played Deus ex machina and said "ah that'll do".
Noone can really argue that this is a great ending. They may personally have liked it. But if it was great or even good, it wouldn't have caused so much fuss. Also look at Mac Walters (hudson's best friend) writing credentials and it's clear he was not really the right man for the job.
Adanu wrote...
Oxspit wrote...
Adanu wrote...
If you think it was poor writing, that's fine.
Just don't force me to think so too, because I don't think so.
You know, you could just not read this thread. That way no-one could even be construed as trying to persuade you, let alone force you, which is a ridiculous thing to say either way.
Like you 'bad writing' types keep out of threads that support the endings and don't make troll bait threads asking why only to jump down our throats?
Adanu wrote...
Oxspit wrote...
Adanu wrote...
If you think it was poor writing, that's fine.
Just don't force me to think so too, because I don't think so.
You know, you could just not read this thread. That way no-one could even be construed as trying to persuade you, let alone force you, which is a ridiculous thing to say either way.
Like you 'bad writing' types keep out of threads that support the endings and don't make troll bait threads asking why only to jump down our throats?
Finally someone who understands that art isn't a democracy. That's also why the whole artistic integrity is nothing more than an excuse for poor writing. It's about time.Justin2k wrote...
Lets be honest. Mass Effect was nothing more than a hero saves the galaxy thing. Like Star Wars, Halo and all those that came before it. It wasn't art, it wasn't a literary classic, just a feel good space story.
The ending should be a saved galaxy. You can have effects of war, you can have people die, you can do whatever you wish. But Harbinger should be beaten and the galaxy as it is should be saved.
You can argue that altering that is artistic, but i say it is stupid. There is a reason Luke beat the Emperor, Frodo destroyed the ring etc. It works. It sends your audience home happy. For a triology, thats what is needed. For something with less investment, a stand alone game, you can do other things, but in this, people expected and wanted their crew to defy the odds. So giving them what they got just shortchanged the audience.
They were not writing Mass Effect for themselves. If it was art, and they were writing a story, they could do whatever they want, they coulda had a big dragon fly in and eat Tali. But they were wrapping up a triology with a target audience of millions of invested people and taking their money. You cannot argue that they understood their audience because clearly the backlash tells you otherwise, and that makes it bad.
elitehunter34 wrote...
maaze, it's fine that you like the endings, but don't patronize us by saying the people who don't like it simply don't understand the endings. I understand them fine, but I still dislike them because the Catalyst is an awful and unnecessary character, the choices are contrived, and it's essentially impossible for any sort of new series that takes place after the events of Mass Effect 3 to happen now because of the disparity of the endings. Those are my primary reasons.
Zanza86 wrote...
OP is butthurt he didn't get the ending he wanted so he makes another amongst the countless already existing ending threads.
RavenEyry wrote...
Another thread made by someone who thinks there opinion is more valuable than everyone elses. Hooray!
Justin2k wrote...
Thread after thread after thread about the ending, the extended cut and everything else. What if the indoctination theory was true, what if they really mean this, what if this is the real ending.
It's all rubbish. You have hope and faith in Bioware I get it. But the obvious plain truth is that Starchild was a joke, Bioware realised it was a joke but rather than rewrite it, they didn't want to offend their writing staff so they "expanded" on it.
It's just poor writing, nothing more or nothing less. A five year old child could have finished the story better. Defeat the reapers, save the galaxy. There, done.
There is no clever hidden underlining meaning, there is no theory. It was just a stupid contrived ending and the writers should have their work reviewed in future before releasing it to the public. Just imagine if Luke Skywalker had walked in to face the Emperor and Darth Vader only to be faced with a little child telling him that the empire exists because people rebel or something. Lucas would never had found work again.
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