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[Sam -stone- serious]

trueKieran wrote...

killingsheep24 wrote...

2. Baldurs Gate
3. Balduers Gate 2

Enough already, I can't hear it anymore. Baldur's Gate had a 100% linear story and no, that was not how all games were back then. Blade Runner came out one year before and had 12 different endings. And how innovative Baldur's Gate was...  you started out with a wooden stick, no matter what class you played for example. I can imagine that it seemed less "bland" to you however, after all the starting area of Baldur's Gate 2 looked more like a mix between a modern canalisation and Frankenstein's laboratory than anything you'd expect to find in a fantasy world.

I've have played them and while these certainly were nice games, they have never been as good as people try to put it nowadays. The only thing that made them look so great were the lack of real RPG alternatives at that time.

You have GOT to be joking.

[killingsheep24]

lol, okay yeah 15mins of fame?



Ummm no, I was giving some feedback on a forum and people that are desperately enamored with this title grew horns and bellowed "thou shalt not defile this sector of the nets with such hideous blasphemy!"



Playing Kotar atm, pretty enjoyable - and alt tabbing to watch people say hilarious tripe.



Average game is average, meh.



P.S I also kick puppies.

[Xandurpein]

killingsheep24 wrote...

lol, okay yeah 15mins of fame?

Ummm no, I was giving some feedback on a forum and people that are desperately enamored with this title grew horns and bellowed "thou shalt not defile this sector of the nets with such hideous blasphemy!"

Playing Kotar atm, pretty enjoyable - and alt tabbing to watch people say hilarious tripe.

Average game is average, meh.

P.S I also kick puppies.

I really love DA:O and think it's a great game. That said I have no problem with anything you said, if you had just added the magic words "in my opinion". You are posting your opinion, but stating it as fact. Granted, some of those who disagree with you are doing the same.

I guess maybe you are doing it on purpose and you are just trolling becuase it's fun to make other people upset. The juvenile joke about kicking puppies certainly seems to indicate that. I guess that's your privilige, but I just never saw the fun in that, so I suppose it's hard for me to relate to you.

For those who are not trolling, you might consider that what is average to you, may be absolutly great to someone else, and even if you disagree it doesn't mean that either of you are wrong, it just means that you value different things.

If you wrote "I think the visuals in the game look boring to me, becuase I prefer more vibrant colors" in a more respectful tone to those who feel differently, you might get a more interesting discussion than this, but that may of course never have been your purpose.

To each their own.

[Gracchio]

killingsheep24 wrote...

Yeah the hats most certainly were not bland, they were very noticeably retarded.

"I CAN COUNT TO POTATO"-hats were actually pretty amusing imo

[sfc1971]

killingsheep24 wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

Very well.

Does the OP have any suggestions for improvement?

Hmmm, no order again.

1. Shorter dungeon crawls (Dwarf zone is unenjoyable)
2. Less silly hats
3. Better main antagonist with a decent reason to go "ZOMG I'M GOING TO DESTROY THE WORLD MAHAHAHA!"
4. No more Darkspawn....they are just Orcs killing and ravaging the land pointlessly
5. Less piles of junk loot and more loot that feels like an epic reward for a large quest line
6. No elves, no Dwarfs, no more generic fantasy tosh - how about some original races?
7. More leather / Medium / cloth armour designs
8. Allow the Dog to be a forth party member
9. I've got to go the gym
10. I'll be back later to argue on the nets.

*final note yes I did buy a game called Dragon Age, yes I knew there would be silly Dragons in it but I was still hoping there would be a decent villian not a mindless uber Dragon.

Got to agree here. The game doesn't seem finished. 
1. Charidan's cross is just filler, run through it killing some mobs until you get to the end. Dead man's trenches is a much better area with a nice big fight (when will they patch the AI to actually charge you?)
2. The hats and indeed the clothing in general are to much of a mixed bunch. Why forced helmets, you can ALWAYS turn these things off because people want to see the face they spent ages on working. Bioware is not new to this, why did they remove an existing feature?
3. The enemy is indeed uninspired. The darkspawn are never explored. Where do they come from, why do they exist, why the broodmothers. Probably for an expansion or sequel. The same thing goes for the human enemy, come on... we need some more then just "oh you seek our former enemies as an ally" to betray everything he stands for. Did they kill his daughter or something? Oh no, they didn't. Shale is just a reprint of the killer droid from kotor. This ain't Baldur's Gate and it sure as hell ain't Planescape Torment (I know, different company).
4. Silly complaint, they may be unmotivated but they are the enemy. The problem ain't the darkspawn, the problem is that none of the enemies are intresting.
5. Oh geez god yes. Nothing says epic more then finding 1 item for a potion recipe in a dungeon. Or a dragon hord with just piles of trash armor. Bioware, please. Lay of the containers. A good book editor strikes 9 out of 10 words and a good bioware editor would strike 9 out of 10 containers. And why was bashing locked containers removed? Especially since codex and gifts are in locked containers. As for charging across the dead men trench only to then have to go back to pick up all the loot from all the corpses. Come on. Give us a pet that does it for us, or make fewer drops that drop better stuff. This is BORING and unfortunally a bioware signature. Makes me fear what will happen to Star Wars The Old Republic.
6. Stupid complaint, it is hard to be original. Note that this guy mentions WoW in another post as an example that has the same races. On this point I disagree completely, at least all the non-human races were given a bit of background.
7. Agree, and make the game less bugged in being able to get full sets. And color, allow us to pick our own. It ain't hard, welcome to 2009 Bioware.
8. The dog can be a 4th party member, did this guy even play the game? Does he mean 5th? Would have been better as a pet. He is useful, but doesn't interact much at all, so you loose a lot of banter. And why the undying love from the start?

Bioware produced another RPG and there ain't many of them around. So we take what we can get but it does seem to become consistently less. They lack the enormous quality of Black Isle/Obsidian but they are still around. You would however think that they by now would know what people want. DAO is indeed bland. The game never really came together for me. 

My own complaints are that the battles are WAY to much about archers. I only ever get in trouble on the sets where you can't hit the archers straight away and you then either spend a long stunned walk with everyone else beating on you to get to them, or have to have somekind of mass stun/disabler equipped. Else they will just zero in at times on one of your party and kill them no matter their defences. Only a super build arcane warrior can really stand against them, and that class combo doesn't generate a lot of agro on them for some reason.

I can deal with it, it is just... after you figured it out, then you notice all to quikly the AI just ain't up to it. And what is with the running all over the place? And why does your own archer suck in comparison? And why is stamina so low... There are a few intresting battles but far to many, get the bloody stun spamming archers down, put the mage in a crushing prison, mop up the rest.

DAO is the best RPG of the year, but it wins because it is a one horse race. There really should be more to this genre by now.

[Gracchio]

Viglin wrote...

killingsheep24 wrote...

Why would I play Oblivion? are you arguing if one game I deem is bland than I should play an even worse game?

Oh, your post seemed to indicate your thout DAO was bland...compared to what?
it would kinda be like me saying your post is just another monotone, boring, bland attempt at putting down a game ld say most who bought it truly enjoy, compared too.......

Instead of just pasting a nameless attack, why not actually list some games or features you think would be more exciting...too you at least.

Incoherent logic, useless comparisons, baseless insults at someone's opinion because your own opinion differs so the other person must be wrong, demanding examples to justify the things you say without supplying any yourself...

You must be a christian! 

[HardCore Affliction]

I owned baldurs gate... never played it cuz it was dull...

[HardCore Affliction]

And in my opinion, i shouldnt have to state " in my opinion " that should be a given...every time you start a conversation do you say in my opinion???

[Gracchio]

Wolfva2 wrote...

I spent a few years growing up on a small Portuguese island called Terceira, in the Acores island chain. With the exception of electric lights it could have been a scene taken out of the 1700s. Cobblestone roads. Houses that were actually and authentically whitewashed. Red tile roofs. Very picturesque, except it wasn't. It was the way they had lived for centuries. In the same houses in some cases, for centuries. Thus, I think I can honestly say that...historically speaking...CITIES WERE EFFING BLAND!!!! What, did you expect vibrant colors? Turqoise and Pinks? Maybe spiralling unicorn horn shaped buildings with minarets? Sheesh, it's a midievil setting. Maybe next game will be high fantasy and you'll get a vibrant landscape to look at.

Anyways, you said you enjoyed the game, so who cares? The MOST important criteria for a game is that it is enjoyable. You enjoyed yourself and felt it was money well spent. I gotta agree with you on that. Everything else is just frosting on the cake.

I was in the vatican a few years ago. That's a pretty old building i'd say.

Still my reaction was WTF!!1!

Then again, with the billions they collect from their mindless sheep claiming to feed the poor, they can afford it

[killingsheep24]

So I will leave this post just before I sleep.



Look if you honestly believe spooky Darkspawn, pointlessly ravaging the land and being led by a angry and some what mindless Dragon is worthy of the Bioware brand name, then more power to you all.



If you believe Dwarfs, Elves and Humans squabling and finally coming together for a group hug is an interesting and original option to be a main focus of a new IP then more power to you.



It's connect the dots fantasy, is it such a struggle for artists, writers and teams of monkeys to create a new fantasy World that doesn't rely on the most tired and boring races and lore known in existance.



Piles of blood and nu Metal adverts do not change a cliched World.



Continue the Nerd rage as I slumber, I am awesome.

[Gracchio]

HardCore Affliction wrote...

And in my opinion, i shouldnt have to state " in my opinion " that should be a given...every time you start a conversation do you say in my opinion???

There is a rather large difference actually.

Look at this.

1) Your mother is dog ugly.

2) In my opinion, your mother is dog ugly.

In the first case it would be like stating a FACT, like the sun is bright, while in the second this is merely my opinion and yours might differ.

[Wolfva2]

Gracchio wrote...

Wolfva2 wrote...

I spent a few years growing up on a small Portuguese island called Terceira, in the Acores island chain. With the exception of electric lights it could have been a scene taken out of the 1700s. Cobblestone roads. Houses that were actually and authentically whitewashed. Red tile roofs. Very picturesque, except it wasn't. It was the way they had lived for centuries. In the same houses in some cases, for centuries. Thus, I think I can honestly say that...historically speaking...CITIES WERE EFFING BLAND!!!! What, did you expect vibrant colors? Turqoise and Pinks? Maybe spiralling unicorn horn shaped buildings with minarets? Sheesh, it's a midievil setting. Maybe next game will be high fantasy and you'll get a vibrant landscape to look at.

Anyways, you said you enjoyed the game, so who cares? The MOST important criteria for a game is that it is enjoyable. You enjoyed yourself and felt it was money well spent. I gotta agree with you on that. Everything else is just frosting on the cake.

I was in the vatican a few years ago. That's a pretty old building i'd say.

Still my reaction was WTF!!1!

Then again, with the billions they collect from their mindless sheep claiming to feed the poor, they can afford it

BAH!  You got me there.  Of course, even on Terceira there were some gorgous old churches.  But the standard buildings?  The houses, stables, markets, etc?  Relatively bland.   Functional buildings often are.  

Killing sheep, you are completely missing the point of a game.  It doesn't matter if dwarves, elves, etc have been used.  It doesn't matter if the premise has been used.  Heck, there's only what, 38 possible narratives?  No mater what the story is, it's been told before.  You can call the elves 'churauagins' and the dwarves 'dippidodos' if you want; it's all the same.  What matters is that you enjoyed the game.  

[Gracchio]

Wolfva2 wrote...

Gracchio wrote...

Wolfva2 wrote...

I spent a few years growing up on a small Portuguese island called Terceira, in the Acores island chain. With the exception of electric lights it could have been a scene taken out of the 1700s. Cobblestone roads. Houses that were actually and authentically whitewashed. Red tile roofs. Very picturesque, except it wasn't. It was the way they had lived for centuries. In the same houses in some cases, for centuries. Thus, I think I can honestly say that...historically speaking...CITIES WERE EFFING BLAND!!!! What, did you expect vibrant colors? Turqoise and Pinks? Maybe spiralling unicorn horn shaped buildings with minarets? Sheesh, it's a midievil setting. Maybe next game will be high fantasy and you'll get a vibrant landscape to look at.

Anyways, you said you enjoyed the game, so who cares? The MOST important criteria for a game is that it is enjoyable. You enjoyed yourself and felt it was money well spent. I gotta agree with you on that. Everything else is just frosting on the cake.

I was in the vatican a few years ago. That's a pretty old building i'd say.

Still my reaction was WTF!!1!

Then again, with the billions they collect from their mindless sheep claiming to feed the poor, they can afford it

BAH!  You got me there.  Of course, even on Terceira there were some gorgous old churches.  But the standard buildings?  The houses, stables, markets, etc?  Relatively bland.   Functional buildings often are.  

Killing sheep, you are completely missing the point of a game.  It doesn't matter if dwarves, elves, etc have been used.  It doesn't matter if the premise has been used.  Heck, there's only what, 38 possible narratives?  No mater what the story is, it's been told before.  You can call the elves 'churauagins' and the dwarves 'dippidodos' if you want; it's all the same.  What matters is that you enjoyed the game.  

Well the standard buildings SHOULD be standard, because poor people in grand buildings wouldn't make sense. Slums looking like slums makes sense to me, although the middle ages makes almost everything look like the slums. The sewer wasn't invented yet right?

As for the generic race thing, it would be nice to see some actual NEW races with no basis on anything existing.

But it's rather hard without going into rediculous concepts, because almost everything has been done before in one way or another. Maybe stealing concepts from unknown games and making those great would work

But I suppose we could brainstorm on some new races then?

Crabpeople would be fun, look like crab, taste like people. Ill go think of some stuff, ill be back later

[Lughsan35]

killingsheep24 wrote...




Just finished Dragon Age.
Bland combat, bland cliched ridden
enemies, bland environments but enough moments of sporadic genius to
keep one playing.

Bioware can spin a yarn thanks to
interesting party characters (no matter the plot cliches and boy did
this main plot suck the big one) but as usual seems to have horrible
aesthetics when it comes to World design, Graphics are awesome but
the design is pooptastic.

The main human city and towns looked
like a bucket of poo brown slop, the Dwarvern city was a poor mans
Iron Forge, the Elven forrest was ghastly and so on and on.

Digging the photo realism schematics is
all well and dandy but do we have be in a fantasy World that is so
wretchedly bland? I felt like I was swimming in a sea of budget brand
cereal.

Oh and artifically expanding the play
time with excessive trash mobs.... gee thanks, I really want to kill
the same Orcs over and over..... oh not Orcs....Darkspawn (lol's
imo).

Then again I got my moneys worth, I
finished it, it provided occasional good times, just not up to the
usual Bioware standard.

So do a better job for Dragon Age 2! yeah I'll buy it....

Jealous WOWITE BACK BACK TO THE FADE WHERE YOU BELONG!!

Bland is normal.  Flambuyouant colors are not. 

[Sethronu]

Crabpeople wouldn't be fun, for the simple reason that most players playing RPGs want to be able to relate with the character they play, and quite frankly I doubt anyone here would be excited about roleplaying some sort of a weird creature. And then there is the issue of consistency - do you really think a medieval world that enslaves elves and barely tolerates the dwarven lack of interest in the Maker would go well with a race of shrieking ratmen or giant sentient bats?



It's very easy to say, "Hey I'd do it so much better than this!", but most of such comments seem to have very little thought behind them, and would probably lead to a game even you yourself wouldn't like to play.

[Gracchio]

Sethronu wrote...

Crabpeople wouldn't be fun, for the simple reason that most players playing RPGs want to be able to relate with the character they play, and quite frankly I doubt anyone here would be excited about roleplaying some sort of a weird creature. And then there is the issue of consistency - do you really think a medieval world that enslaves elves and barely tolerates the dwarven lack of interest in the Maker would go well with a race of shrieking ratmen or giant sentient bats?

It's very easy to say, "Hey I'd do it so much better than this!", but most of such comments seem to have very little thought behind them, and would probably lead to a game even you yourself wouldn't like to play.

Crabpeople party members would be awesome I think. A companion AND emergency rations.

But most ideas just wouldn't fit in with the rest of the world indeed. Although there are werewolves and zombies, so vampire like creatures wouldn't be weird, but it would be a little very predictable. Personally i'd like to see more of these "friendly spirits" from the fade. Or intelligent demons who are not trying to eat you for a change. Hell, maybe even children of desire demons and humans? There are tons of possibilities, the problem is getting them to fit in without making it feel forced.

[Viglin]

Gracchio wrote...

Viglin wrote...

killingsheep24 wrote...

Why would I play Oblivion? are you arguing if one game I deem is bland than I should play an even worse game?

Oh, your post seemed to indicate your thout DAO was bland...compared to what?
it would kinda be like me saying your post is just another monotone, boring, bland attempt at putting down a game ld say most who bought it truly enjoy, compared too.......

Instead of just pasting a nameless attack, why not actually list some games or features you think would be more exciting...too you at least.

Incoherent logic, useless comparisons, baseless insults at someone's opinion because your own opinion differs so the other person must be wrong, demanding examples to justify the things you say without supplying any yourself...

You must be a christian! 

Actually, lm an Aethist, ld have guesed the Op is a Christian since he;s mostly dismissed anyone whose disagreed with his points...and you came to the discussion way to late to follow the reasoning.
Ask the Op about dumping my family in the river then get back to me.

As to the Op...who l see returned to his thread and watched it most of the night...you made some good points later in the thread...if you'd started the thread with those points, ld have guessed this thread would have went smoother and most likely have died by now.

[SleeplessInSigil]

Loving Dragon Age. Some of the most realistic (and grand, albeit in ruins, but that's the whole idea) environments in any game ever, backed by great graphics.



Yeah, you better be able to make a side-by-side comparison with other games if you think DA looks any less on the highest settings. I mean, damn, the real-time graphics in DA look like the pre-rendered cutscene videos of most games from only a couple years ago.

[Gracchio]

Viglin wrote...

Gracchio wrote...

Viglin wrote...

killingsheep24 wrote...

Why would I play Oblivion? are you arguing if one game I deem is bland than I should play an even worse game?

Oh, your post seemed to indicate your thout DAO was bland...compared to what?
it would kinda be like me saying your post is just another monotone, boring, bland attempt at putting down a game ld say most who bought it truly enjoy, compared too.......

Instead of just pasting a nameless attack, why not actually list some games or features you think would be more exciting...too you at least.

Incoherent logic, useless comparisons, baseless insults at someone's opinion because your own opinion differs so the other person must be wrong, demanding examples to justify the things you say without supplying any yourself...

You must be a christian! 

Actually, lm an Aethist, ld have guesed the Op is a Christian since he;s mostly dismissed anyone whose disagreed with his points...and you came to the discussion way to late to follow the reasoning.
Ask the Op about dumping my family in the river then get back to me.

As to the Op...who l see returned to his thread and watched it most of the night...you made some good points later in the thread...if you'd started the thread with those points, ld have guessed this thread would have went smoother and most likely have died by now.

The fact I can't distinguish you from one says enough I think

And BAM another assumption without a base, assuming I didn't read the previous posts.

Still doesn't change your flawed logic OR the fact your posts don't really say anything except pointing fingers and stating useless facts.

[Viglin]

Gracchio wrote...

Viglin wrote...

Gracchio wrote...

Viglin wrote...

killingsheep24 wrote...

Why would I play Oblivion? are you arguing if one game I deem is bland than I should play an even worse game?

Oh, your post seemed to indicate your thout DAO was bland...compared to what?
it would kinda be like me saying your post is just another monotone, boring, bland attempt at putting down a game ld say most who bought it truly enjoy, compared too.......

Instead of just pasting a nameless attack, why not actually list some games or features you think would be more exciting...too you at least.

Incoherent logic, useless comparisons, baseless insults at someone's opinion because your own opinion differs so the other person must be wrong, demanding examples to justify the things you say without supplying any yourself...

You must be a christian! 

Actually, lm an Aethist, ld have guesed the Op is a Christian since he;s mostly dismissed anyone whose disagreed with his points...and you came to the discussion way to late to follow the reasoning.
Ask the Op about dumping my family in the river then get back to me.

As to the Op...who l see returned to his thread and watched it most of the night...you made some good points later in the thread...if you'd started the thread with those points, ld have guessed this thread would have went smoother and most likely have died by now.

The fact I can't distinguish you from one says enough I think

And BAM another assumption without a base, assuming I didn't read the previous posts.

Still doesn't change your flawed logic OR the fact your posts don't really say anything except pointing fingers and stating useless facts.

Your first post mentioned a few things;
-Trash Mobs[what game of any decent length does not recyle mobs...especially one where your involved in a War]
-Bland
locales or copies of others.....how many games of any decent length can
stand fresh?[And with DLC incomming, that should change]


Oh,
and all the games you mention lve played[except Mass Effect till it
comes to ps3 anyway], enjoyed...and included trash mobs and most of the
other "bland" concepts you mention.

Honestly, any game of any decent length will have its "bland points"
But if all the other points outweigh it[as your score of 7/10 seems to indicate]..then whats the problem?
If you'd given it a 3/10 as the other poster, then ld say your title and post would match it.

Maybe you just wanted more...like anyone else actually.
Human nature...same as putting down anything and everything.[/Qoute]

^^^Please tell me where you see no usefull points or facts.

And my assumption is made on the post you choose to quote...seem reasonable?

And lm not the one who made personal attacks against someones family...so youll have to forgive me if lm not being very "Christian".
That, and lm not one.

[Sibelius1]

Necropasha wrote...

It is just so blatantly obvious that they worked really hard on warrior armor and just neglected to do anything significant about the mage or especially rogue armor designs. It kind of sucks to never really be able to look like a deadly assassin or a wild swashbuckler and never progress in gear appearance throughout the game.

Well, thats what mods are for, didn't you know? Putting in quality textures and accurate tooltip information 

Modifié par Sibelius1, 18 décembre 2009 - 03:14 .

[LdyShayna]

The religion based bashing and general insulting going on here is agaisnt the forum policy. If you wish to have a discussion instead of an insult match, try again.