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[Sundance31us]

OneWomanArmy wrote...

No actually @Bad was right... They always record all lines from both genders, its standard procedure.

A weak argument.

The option for Kaidan IS available in the game and will not be removed; if you don't want Kaidan flirting with your Shepard don't trigger the dialogue...it's not that hard and will save you a few credits.

[BadExamp1e]

In ME1 it was standard procedure. This has all been explained before: "To be clear, it was never part of the plan." - Bioware. I wouldn't take Mark Meer's word over a developers. Meer is a VA sitting in a booth with a mic. He's not a developer. Meer recorded the romantic lines with Kaidan in ME1, remember? Because Meer and Hale read from the same script (for a number of reasons supposedly). From that alone, I can understand why he would think that Kaidan was originally supposed to be an s/s romance. Why else would he be recording those lines otherwise? They were not intended to be bisexual. Look at the writing, It was done first. "I see a strong passionate man with a great ass."

[Vigilant111]

What I don't understand is that why people are so bothered by Kaidan being straight or alien or bi or whatever, so they retconed it so what, is it really that bad? they made the option possible because people petitioned and BW listened

Kaidan in your game is straight, this does not mean he cannot be bi for other people, hell, some people killed him off in Virmire, so stop claiming ownership over other people's interpretations of Kaidan's attributes, everyone's got the right to headcanon, and they can make sense of Kaidan's sexuality the best way they could

Not your thing then don't touch it, that option is only reserved for certain people, he doesn't need to be bi in your game, and it is meaningless for you to worry about what he does in bed in other people's playthroughs

Bottom line, get the frak over it

[nos_astra]

OneWomanArmy wrote...
Maybe in the universe of "Adam and Steve" and "Madam and Eve" Ashley and Kaidan have been bi from me1 but not in my universe which is "Adam and Eve".

Enough Said on this matter!

I really wish you would follow your own rule. You have certainly said your peace. Again and again. We get it, in your universe Kaidan is straight.

Now if you'd please get that there are people who are more than fine with a retcon or who didn't perceive him as straight in the first place? That would be totally awesome and everyone could move on after that.

Modifié par klarabella, 19 juillet 2012 - 12:58 .

[Sundance31us]

OneWomanArmy wrote...

Sundance31us wrote...

The option for Kaidan IS available in the game and will not be removed; if you don't want Kaidan flirting with your Shepard don't trigger the dialogue...it's not that hard and will save you a few credits.

Hahahahahaha Since when is the option for Kaidan in Me1 available? Maybe in another universe?

It is available in ME3.

The option can be made available in ME1 and ME2  using a mod if the owner wishes to do so.

[BadExamp1e]

Yeah. We all get it now. Ashley is straight and Kaidan is bisexual. However, they were not intended to be bisexual romances in ME1, despite them changing Kaidan in ME3.

[Ryzaki]

Eh considering the devs spewed garbage like Liara not being female and male Shep somehow being "predefined" heterosexual I'm not really that sure on anything they said on the matter of s/s romances.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 19 juillet 2012 - 01:23 .

[Sundance31us]

BadExamp1e wrote...

Yeah. We all get it now. Ashley is straight and Kaidan is bisexual. However, they were not intended to be bisexual romances in ME1, despite them changing Kaidan in ME3.

And if you want Kaidan to be straight in ME3 don't trigger the dialogue during your game.

[CptData]

^ you're awesome.
Nah, seriously, why are the cool girls NOT living in my neighborhood? Firing-range-girl. Definitely need to leave Germany -> USA. Greencards anyone?

By the way: Kaidan & Ash could have been available to both sexes right from the beginning, but ... seriously: why should every single character swing both ways? People say, it doesn't fit to Kaidan 'cause ABC. And being bi is OOC for Ashley. Blablabla.

[Lucky Thirteen]

Shepard can have alien love interests, even ones that never indicated any interest in a different species before and will even say, I've never been attracted to another species before. But for some reason it's completely unlikely that all the love interests can swing both ways for the sake of player choice and just not have been attracted to the same sex before.

Love doesn't equate into someone being bisexual/gay. Right.

[Dragon_Claw]

CptData wrote...

^ you're awesome.
Nah, seriously, why are the cool girls NOT living in my neighborhood? Firing-range-girl. Definitely need to leave Germany -> USA. Greencards anyone?

You do know she´s a Dane, right?  

[Dragon_Claw]

This topic has been going on for so long in the last 5 years, that it can be compared to "Who shot first, Han or Greedo?".

When Mass Effect 12 comes out, people will still be arguing about Kaiden & Ashleys sexuality. Seriously, who cares?!?

P.S. Han didn´t shot first, because Greedo originally never fired his gun...

[CptData]

Dragon_Claw wrote...

CptData wrote...

^ you're awesome.
Nah, seriously, why are the cool girls NOT living in my neighborhood? Firing-range-girl. Definitely need to leave Germany -> USA. Greencards anyone?

You do know she´s a Dane, right?  

Nope.
But if I move outside my country, I definitely want to leave the EU for good.
Be as far away as possible if everything crashes. And I could pick up OWA

Still, a girl @ firing range is awesome.

[Sundance31us]

Dragon_Claw wrote...
P.S. Han didn´t shot first, because Greedo originally never fired his gun...

Quoted for truth.

[AndreasShepard]

BadExamp1e wrote...

In ME1 it was standard procedure. This has all been explained before: "To be clear, it was never part of the plan." - Bioware. I wouldn't take Mark Meer's word over a developers. Meer is a VA sitting in a booth with a mic. He's not a developer. Meer recorded the romantic lines with Kaidan in ME1, remember? Because Meer and Hale read from the same script (for a number of reasons supposedly). From that alone, I can understand why he would think that Kaidan was originally supposed to be an s/s romance. Why else would he be recording those lines otherwise? They were not intended to be bisexual. Look at the writing, It was done first. "I see a strong passionate man with a great ass."

You should take Meer's word over the developers because he doesn't have anything to hide while the devs potentially do.  It doesn't look good for Bioware to say gay romances were nixed because they thought it would bring unwanted criticism to the game so of course they're going to say that it was never part of of the plan. 

Think about what you're saying, "Meer and Hale read from the same script supposedly for a number of reasons."  Just what do you think those reasons were?  I doubt Mark Meer just started reading off Hales lines without some kind of explanation from Bioware as to why he was being asked to do it and one of the most likely reasons for that is because he was told that his character would be able to romance s/s options.

I'm sure that if Meer says it was supposed to be in the game it's because he was told it would be, not simply because he assumed it would be.  He wouldn't claim that if he wasn't relatively certain, he's a smart guy, not just some apathetic VO who shows up and gets the job done.

Modifié par AndreasShepard, 19 juillet 2012 - 07:32 .

[Sundance31us]

AndreasShepard wrote...
You should take Meer's word over the developers because he doesn't have anything to hide while the devs potentially do.  It doesn't look good for Bioware to say gay romances were nixed because they thought it would bring unwanted criticism to the game so of course they're going to say that it was never part of of the plan. 

Times change. Now that they (BW) know there's significant (not necessarily all) fan support they can do bold things (like offer same sex options) that they shied away from a few years ago.

[dgcatanisiri]

The simple fact is that Ashley and Kaidan never specify their sexual preferences in ME1. That right there is the biggest thing for me. The assumption in the world we live in is that 'unless you say otherwise, by default, you are straight.' I've been at gay bars with my gay friends and I still get asked if I'm straight because I don't give the traditional signs of being gay. I have friends from high school who don't know that I'm gay because I never said so to them and still think I'm straight since I haven't brought up my personal life to them. So unless Ashley or Kaidan actually say 'I'm gay/straight/bi/interested in men/interested in women/interested in both/whatever,' it's all open to interpretation on our part.

Developer intentions are one thing, but unless it's made explicit, it really doesn't count. Hell, Ashley could still be bi and just not interested in Shepard. Just because Kaidan had a crush on Rahna at BAaT, it doesn't preclude him from having been interested in guys. Just because both were only willing to engage in a relationship with opposite-sex Shepard in ME1, it doesn't mean that they would automatically be against a relationship with same-sex Shepard at any point in the future.

[CptData]

Meh, next time I visit Denmark (also first time) you could teach me some tricks, OWA ^^
I'm already doing airsoft / softair matches and such, but live guns? Nope. Could be interesting 'though. Guess why I thought you're from USA ^^


@dgcatanisiri
Well, "normal" (no offense) is: a person is interested in another person of the other gender at approx the same age. At least that's what society thought for most time in human history. Homosexuality was -and often still is- a taboo in most nations. Things change slowly in favor of a more liberal view on sexuality, but it won't happen over night.
I consider myself as "free spirited" in that field since I support gay marriages. I also support ('though not looking after) open relationships, don't feel offended by 50y old guys marrying a 20y old woman - etc. If it's love, it should be allowed, so to speak - with some obvious exceptions, of course.

[Beep Il]

You two flirting again? O.o

*Backs off*