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[Beep Il]

BadExamp1e wrote...

Honestly, just because Kaidan is bisexual now doesn't mean Ash should be. They are not the same. And I'm glad they mainly got treated like different people.

Yup, I agree. People complained that they're too similar and the one point where they are not, people complain that they differ from each other. Figures...

BadExamp1e wrote...

I would have preferred it if Bioware kept him straight, but whatever. IMO, the romance was poorly done. It all comes out of the closet at the dinner date, it's like, "You and me? Woah I've never thought about that before. You and me? Really Kaidan bro? I never even - sure." despite the player carefully pursuing him the whole game lol.

HERESY!

[Mimitochan]

OneWomanArmy wrote...

BadExamp1e wrote...

Thing is, there is no attraction or interest there from Ashley if you play as a female, so why would you enter a relationship without those things? As a male she makes her attraction and interest known from the start.... "that would be a waste of a fine ass sir" "when we're not on duty I'd have to show you some of my dance moves...sir" "awfully romantic up here commander, if you're into that sort of thing." "I see a strong passionate man with a great ass." "if you want me in a tin foil mini skirt and thigh high boots I'm gonna need dinner first ugh... Sir."

Honestly, just because Kaidan is bisexual now doesn't mean Ash should be. They are not the same. And I'm glad they mainly got treated like different people.

I would have preferred it if Bioware kept him straight, but whatever. IMO, the romance was poorly done. It all comes out of the closet at the dinner date, it's like, "You and me? Woah I've never thought about that before. You and me? Really Kaidan bro? I never even - sure." despite the player carefully pursuing him the whole game lol.

You are a wise man sir! ;-)

Well, Ash sure didn't compliment on my femShep butt, still, I was totally expecting her to hit on me, but that was probably gamer assumption. When I first saw her on Eden Prime, for some obscure reason, I thought, hey, that could be Michelle Rodriguez, and oh, she's probably the lesbian character. I always thought the poetry part was weird, coming out of the blue, and thought it could be a good premisce to some s/s romance.

On the very contrary, I was very surprised by Liara declaration, and very very very much unsettled by triggering Kaidan's romance. Ahah, which reminds me, I had some bug on PC where I couldn't interact with the both of them on the Normandy, so, I almost did a full playthrough without being aware of my romance options!!!  

Modifié par Mimitochan, 20 juillet 2012 - 09:20 .

[WidePaul]

Maybe when it comes to men Kaidan is only Shepard-sexual not bi. Shepard is such a charismatic character regardless of the gender you pick for him/her, I wouldn't be suprised if there were a few characters who would go over to the "other side" to be with Shep.

[Beep Il]

WidePaul wrote...

Maybe when it comes to men Kaidan is only Shepard-sexual not bi. Shepard is such a charismatic character regardless of the gender you pick for him/her, I wouldn't be suprised if there were a few characters who would go over to the "other side" to be with Shep.

Shepard-sexual is just a myth. Or it applies only on BroShep and not FemShep since I don't find FemShep attractive at all. And yes, the characters in the game think just like I do.

[CptData]

WidePaul wrote...

Maybe when it comes to men Kaidan is only Shepard-sexual not bi. Shepard is such a charismatic character regardless of the gender you pick for him/her, I wouldn't be suprised if there were a few characters who would go over to the "other side" to be with Shep.

Well, I'm straight. There are a thousand awesome men out there and I still wouldn't change my sexuality just to get in touch with them

Think "Shepard-sexual" is not really working. Otherwise, everyone would go after Shepard, regardless of gender. It's not the case.

[WidePaul]

Ah well, it was just a thought.

[Mimitochan]

But... everyone IS going after Shepard! NPC are Shep-struck, that seems obvious.

Whether they actually implemented and wrote specific gender material is unrelated. Just think Blue Asaris, my god, the very concept of Asari is such a joke, pretty please! Oh yeah, no, I know I look like a blue woman with tentacles on my head, but really no, I'm not technically a woman, also my voice sounds like woman's voice, but really, no, I'm not, I can make babies through DNA mumbo jumbo! Really, as a woman, that's so annoying, it would almost be insulting if I wasn't so used to it, I just put up with it because women are usually just a discarded target in the video game industry. Anybody read John Varley's Gaia? Now THAT's proper asexual alien!
I know you men are just so used to living in a world where big boobs are so big they're just asking to go out of them catsuits and latex dresses, that high heels are common social female attributes when you're a news reporter or a justicar, but no, I've got some news for you, it's absolutely rubbish. Just put a pair of high heel tight boots on for one day and you'll understand that it's not proper combat equipment. So please, let's not talk about what's realistic or not as far as anything sexual is handled in the franchise.
 
Also, staying faithful to Kaidan felt like walking on mined ground, that was almost ridiculous!
I KNOW my femShep is one amazing woman, but still, it really felt like a dating sim at times, that's really lame.
So yeah, to me, NPC are Shep-struck, this is a video game.
Now as far as them NPC are written, that's different.

Modifié par Mimitochan, 20 juillet 2012 - 10:23 .

[Beep Il]

Mimitochan wrote...

Whether they actually implemented and wrote specific gender material is unrelated. Just think Blue Asaris, my god, the very concept of Asari is such a joke, pretty please! Oh yeah, no, I know I look like a blue woman with tentacles on my head, but really no, I'm not technically a woman, also my voice sounds like woman's voice, but really, no, I'm not, I can make babies through DNA mumbo jumbo! Really, as a woman, that's so annoying, it would almost be insulting if I wasn't so used to it, I just put up with it because women are usually just a discarded target in the video game industry. Anybody read John Varley's Gaia? Now THAT's proper asexual alien!
I know you men are just so used to living in a world where big boobs are so big they're just asking to go out of them catsuits and latex dresses, that high heels are common social female attributes when you're a news reporter or a justicar, but no, I've got some news for you, t's absolutely rubbish. Just put a pair of high heel tight boots for one day and you'll understand that it's not proper combat equipment. So please, let's not talk about what's realistic or not as far as anything sexual is handled in the franchise.
 

Asari fans are going to slaughter you. You should escape!

[Mimitochan]

Beep Il wrote...

Mimitochan wrote...

Whether they actually implemented and wrote specific gender material is unrelated. Just think Blue Asaris, my god, the very concept of Asari is such a joke, pretty please! Oh yeah, no, I know I look like a blue woman with tentacles on my head, but really no, I'm not technically a woman, also my voice sounds like woman's voice, but really, no, I'm not, I can make babies through DNA mumbo jumbo! Really, as a woman, that's so annoying, it would almost be insulting if I wasn't so used to it, I just put up with it because women are usually just a discarded target in the video game industry. Anybody read John Varley's Gaia? Now THAT's proper asexual alien!
I know you men are just so used to living in a world where big boobs are so big they're just asking to go out of them catsuits and latex dresses, that high heels are common social female attributes when you're a news reporter or a justicar, but no, I've got some news for you, t's absolutely rubbish. Just put a pair of high heel tight boots for one day and you'll understand that it's not proper combat equipment. So please, let's not talk about what's realistic or not as far as anything sexual is handled in the franchise.
 

Asari fans are going to slaughter you. You should escape!

You mean there are Asari fans?
I had no idea.

[CptData]

OneWomanArmy wrote...

CptData wrote...

WidePaul wrote...

Maybe when it comes to men Kaidan is only Shepard-sexual not bi. Shepard is such a charismatic character regardless of the gender you pick for him/her, I wouldn't be suprised if there were a few characters who would go over to the "other side" to be with Shep.

Well, I'm straight. There are a thousand awesome men out there and I still wouldn't change my sexuality just to get in touch with them

Think "Shepard-sexual" is not really working. Otherwise, everyone would go after Shepard, regardless of gender. It's not the case.

You sure about that @Data? Not even Kaidan could change your mind? Dont you watch Will and Grace? ;-)

No, just 75% sure ^^
The theory "Shepard-sexual" got damaged since out of the established characters, only Kaidan did the move from straight to bi. Other characters had clear preferences: Samantha is lesbian, Cortez is gay, Ashley, Tali, Garrus, Miranda, Jack, Thane and Jacob are straight. Vega is not interested in Shepard, same for Joker. Liara swings both ways (comes with her race), Kelly loves everyone.

By the way, nope, I don't watch much TV at all. I rather chat & do computer related stuff. Oh, and sometimes I go out too

[Quething]

TheKevinShow wrote...

Quething wrote...

Where's that "oh look, it's this thread again" gif?

I'm sorry, I don't read this forum all the time. I wasn't aware that the topic had already been done.

It's not a comment on you so much as the people who replied. Didn't mean to make you feel targeted at all, sorry. 

[dgcatanisiri]

The thing is, sexuality is not a clearly defined 'you are this from birth to death.' In our twenty-first century society, the standard assumption, the societal default, if you will, is to consider anyone straight until proven otherwise - I bring up again the fact that I hang out with gay people, at gay bars, and people still ask if I'm straight or gay. BUT in the world of Mass Effect that assumption obviously isn't in place, given the asari forcing that out the airlock for anyone who spends as much time in space as Shepard does. I mean it's already taking a beating, I don't think it would survive another near-two centuries and encountering a race like the asari. As a result, just because a person such as Ashley or Kaidan doesn't express interest in Shepard in the first game, it doesn't rule out them having feelings, just that they aren't acting on them, either because they don't realize them for what they are or because they aren't sure if the feelings would be reciprocated.

And again I point out the fact that they'll only react to things Shepard expresses, and Shepard, by virtue of the options available at the time, could not express interest in Kaidan/Ashley if they were of the same sex in ME1. Hell, male Shepard couldn't even express ANY interest in other men until 3 and women were automatically flirting with him without even an option for him to say 'you're a nice girl, but I'm not interested.' You want to call him finally being able to tell another man that he's interested in him 'retconing' the character?

The thing about bisexuals is that it's just as much of a spectrum as sexuality itself. It seems clear that Kaidan falls closer to the straight side of it, given Rahna, him being an option for female Shepard from ME1, and his comment about EDI's body, but that doesn't preclude him from being interested in other men. Just because he hadn't acted on it previously (and again, I point out that Shepard is restrained from being able to express any interest in Kaidan in ME1, so he has no way of knowing if male Shepard is interested, while there are two women on the ship interested in Shepard, one of them being very obvious about it and the other one being rather catty towards the other woman, and anyone on the outside stays away from that situation to defend themselves) does not mean that he can't be interested.

Modifié par dgcatanisiri, 20 juillet 2012 - 01:22 .

[jahaa]

Beep Il wrote...
Asari fans are going to slaughter you. You should escape!

I like the Asari and i didn't feel offended. I understand some people may think different than me and i have no problems at all with this. Some people like the Asari while others prefer the Quarians or the Krogan, but in the end we all like Mass Effect.

Another different thing are the people who periocally leave their thread-basement just to show some character hate.
I guess it is very difficult to practice self control, but all worth things keeping are.

[TheKevinShow]

BadExamp1e wrote...

Honestly, just because Kaidan is bisexual now doesn't mean Ash should be. They are not the same. And I'm glad they mainly got treated like different people.
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Well, my question was why one and not the other? That's all.

[draken-heart]

CptData wrote...

draken-heart wrote...

Maybe ash is bi-sexual, but only when drunk, and as such cannot be romanced by Fem!Shepard due to her not normally drinking.

Alcohol can make some lose their inhibitions and sleep with anything with 2 legs.

Dunno. I don't turn out bi when drunk, I'm 100% straight. Guess Ash is one of those girls who simply don't want to go into serious business with another woman?

It's funny to think about it headcanonwise and I play a lot with that idea, but for "serious" headcanon, my Ashley is straight, interested in Shepard only. She's, however, a good friend of Tali and a close one for Samantha.

i did not mean she is actually bi when drunk, just that when she does drink enough, she does not care who she hops into the sack with. She is still straight when talking about a serious relationship.

[PMC65]

TheKevinShow - The ME team probably felt that female Shepard had enough gal choices. As someone who really wanted my femShep to be able to tell her how she felt ... it was a bummer. But it was Bioware's decision so only my male Shepard has her. Such is life.

jahaa - Well said!

EDIT ...

draken-heart - I don't see Ash like that or femShep. There is a real lack of character for someone who will take advantage of someone else like that. Just no and ew!

Modifié par PMC65, 20 juillet 2012 - 05:12 .

[goodventure]

BadExamp1e wrote...
Honestly, just because Kaidan is bisexual now doesn't mean Ash should be. They are not the same. And I'm glad they mainly got treated like different people.

I honestly think this is the main reason Kaidan was chosen to be bi, but Ash wasn't.  BioWare probably decided that their sexuality should be one of the major characteristics that finally separate them and make them two distinctly different people, as opposed to just Ashley being the female version of Kaidan and vice versa.  I personally don't like it and would've preferred Ash to be bi, but whatever.

[PMC65]

goodventure wrote...

BadExamp1e wrote...
Honestly, just because Kaidan is bisexual now doesn't mean Ash should be. They are not the same. And I'm glad they mainly got treated like different people.

I honestly think this is the main reason Kaidan was chosen to be bi, but Ash wasn't.  BioWare probably decided that their sexuality should be one of the major characteristics that finally separate them and make them two distinctly different people, as opposed to just Ashley being the female version of Kaidan and vice versa.  I personally don't like it and would've preferred Ash to be bi, but whatever.

And speaking as a gay gal who would have LOVED her to be an option, femShep needed more male choices. I personally may not have picked them but why not Vega and Joker? Others need choices to their stories. That is what I see wrong in these threads. You have your Shepard, your story and it does not bleed into others stories. If I am playing femShep with Kaidan what in the frack does it matter that he is with a male Shepard in an alt universe? That Shepard and Kaidan do not exist in your world.

Same with Ash ... The Ashley with my male Shepard would have no bearing on Ashley with my female Shepard. It's all about different stories and replayability. I would much rather have an Ash turn down a Shepard that does things that are counter to her personality over gender. The same with all the characters ... example: Kill Shiala in front of Liara locks her out from being romanceable. 

Or how about let my Shepard's be in love with them and be rejected? At least then the player could at least try. That's why I liked what they did with Samara & Sam. Shepard could at least try.
And realism? Who in god's heaven would sleep with UGLY Shepard?  

[Dragon_Claw]

PMC65 wrote...
And realism? Who in god's heaven would sleep with UGLY Shepard?  

Miranda  

[PMC65]

Dragon_Claw wrote...

PMC65 wrote...
And realism? Who in god's heaven would sleep with UGLY Shepard?  

Miranda  

 ... and then in ME3 he gets Ash into his bed. Oh, yeah ... baby! Realism for the WIN!

Too bad there wasn't some kind of oh, hell no! scale on the looks as well. Only person that ugly Shepard could bed was Garrus!

Modifié par PMC65, 20 juillet 2012 - 05:43 .

[BadExamp1e]

I think the main reason why Kaidan was turned bisexual at the end of the trilogy was because GayShepard's needed more options. Without him all gay Shep's have left is Cortez who isn't even a squadmate...so... I can however think of quite a few reasons why Bioware decided against doing the same with Ash. IMO, she's made it clear that she's attracted to dudes, well a lot more than Kaidan has anyway (lol). Seriously though, I don't think it best for her character considering everything. That's always been my opinion on the subject.

That drunk suggestion is plain stupid excuse. I wouldn't hop into bed with dudes if I was ****faced! Like come on... That's coming on desperate there.

[Beep Il]

jahaa wrote...

Beep Il wrote...
Asari fans are going to slaughter you. You should escape!

I like the Asari and i didn't feel offended. I understand some people may think different than me and i have no problems at all with this. Some people like the Asari while others prefer the Quarians or the Krogan, but in the end we all like Mass Effect.

Another different thing are the people who periocally leave their thread-basement just to show some character hate.
I guess it is very difficult to practice self control, but all worth things keeping are.

Hey, I was just kidding.

[draken-heart]

BadExamp1e wrote...

I think the main reason why Kaidan was turned bisexual at the end of the trilogy was because GayShepard's needed more options. Without him all gay Shep's have left is Cortez who isn't even a squadmate...so... I can however think of quite a few reasons why Bioware decided against doing the same with Ash. IMO, she's made it clear that she's attracted to dudes, well a lot more than Kaidan has anyway (lol). Seriously though, I don't think it best for her character considering everything. That's always been my opinion on the subject.

That drunk suggestion is plain stupid excuse. I wouldn't hop into bed with dudes if I was ****faced! Like come on... That's coming on desperate there.

When highly aroused, women are ~27% more likely to be interested in the same sex than men are, and drinking lowers inhibitons, making one more easily, and more highly,  aroused, so makes one more willing. i read that soemwhere.
Plus even if Ashley does not sleep with women, it does not mean she finds them ugly, She may like femShep that way, but decide not to bother.

Modifié par draken-heart, 20 juillet 2012 - 06:08 .