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[PMC65]

AndreasShepard - As someone who loves Ash it would have been nice had they allowed Alexa Shepard tell her how she felt but it didn't happen. Would Ashley have felt the same? Would she have turned her away? I'll never know because it was never in-game.

Shepard, male or female, is an amazing character. Alexa Shepard is a woman that puts others ahead of herself and has sacrificed everything. She loved Ashley and saw past her tough exterior. She admired her kindness and fell in love with her as she comforted the widower. I really wish that she could have voiced her feelings.

It would have been nice had Bioware at least addressed those femSheps that loved Ash. But it is not a missed opportunity that destroys the game. Bioware could not address everything for everyone. We all have things that we wished were in the game or not in the game. More Ashley content overall would have been great.

But I won't really debate her sexuality since she is not only fictional but the debates always end up mean spirited ... on both sides. I'm just glad that there are other Ash fans who love her as much I do. More love for Ash is a good thing.

[CptData]

PMC65 wrote...
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It would have been nice had Bioware at least addressed those femSheps that loved Ash. But it is not a missed opportunity that destroys the game. Bioware could not address everything for everyone. We all have things that we wished were in the game or not in the game. More Ashley content overall would have been great.

But I won't really debate her sexuality since she is not only fictional but the debates always end up mean spirited ... on both sides. I'm just glad that there are other Ash fans who love her as much I do. More love for Ash is a good thing.

Well, I really would have loved to see a couple of dialogues where fem!Shep tries to flirt with Ash until Ashley tells fem!Shep she's not interested in a romantic relationship with another woman. That dialogue could have set a base for a deep friendship 'though.

Let's say Ashley is the very face of missed opportunities in ME3. She's not the only one suffering from lack of content, but the most prominent one.

[draken-heart]

BadExamp1e wrote...

I know. It's like, "But Ashley could be bisexual!" or "She's straight until proven otherwise." which basically means: You're straight. But MAYBE you might change your mind.

*Strikes Willy Wonka pose*

Tell me where in the game Ash comes on to a woman?

look at the edit in my post right above yours. that line about Ash and your interpretation about it, it got debinked by what came after it, about her father saying that he would pack her bags himself. the line and that entire conversation served only to show how close she was to her family. no "i am straight" in there unless you nitpick that line and leave out the rest of it.

[MACharlie1]

OneWomanArmy wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

BadExamp1e wrote...

Still straight LOL

I find it highly amusing how difficult it is for people on here to accept that a character is straight and won't so much as bat an eyelash at FemShep.Some people are just straight - shocker I know.

Jack is not 100% straight. 

She's had sex with women and mentioned "boyfriend or girlfriend". In terms of Shepard - yes. She simply doesn't find FemShep a romance option. Period. Ashley on the otherhand has never ever mentioned showing any sort of attraction towards women. In our society, we assume "straight until proven otherwise". In which case, there hasn't been an otherwise unlike Jack. 

But why should it be "bi until proven otherwise" then?

Did I say it should? I mean, personally, I think every single person is bisexual on some level. But we really don't have the evidence to support that. I don't think there is any dispute that alot of our sexual behavior is based upon social norms and what is accepted and what isn't. For instance, you probably thought you had a smoking hot professor (or doctor, boss, figure of authority, whatever,) that you just wanted to rip their clothes off and just go to town on. Biologically, you would do so. But society says thats not appropiate and you restrain yourself. This is coupled with other personality traits but you get my point.  Bisexuality/Homosexuality is still some taboo and children grow up with the expectations that if your a girl, you marry a boy. And if your a boy you marry a girl. We don't know how children would grow up without these factors. Bisexuality may not show up as often since people are just insecure and since they're attracted to the opposite sex, they can easily repress same-sex feelings.

What if children grew up without being expected to get with the opposite sex? What would happen then? Regardless, I'd say fictional characters are 99% of the time are expected to be straight since thats what we know. 

[shepskisaac]

Ohh hi. I stumbled across this thread ^^ As you can predict, I won't be circling around the BS ^^ So let's get straight to it.

Fist of all, they are ALL already Shepard-sexual. Ash & Liara (and other women) have absolutely ZERO problems dating someone who beats women for no reason. Also, they date Shepard no matter how ugly he is (and before you say "looks don't matter" yeah, for some people they don't. But it's unrealistic as hell that they don't mattter to ALL people that are LIs).

And of course, there's the the issue of Tali & Garrus. Unless you were totally complaining about their romances in ME2, you have ZERO right to complaing about Kaidan ^^

Clear? ^^

Modifié par IsaacShep, 20 juillet 2012 - 11:23 .

[PMC65]

Or Ash could have said "Yes". We will never know what direction the writers would have went in.

From discussions that I've had with other female gamers, Ash would have increased in her fan base with females. But then had Bioware opened her to femShep would that have made players (who would never pick that option) leave her? Those players that don't want Ash with femShep would they dump her knowing that Ashley in alternate universes were with a female Shepard? Hmmm.

Kaidan and Liara fans seem to co-exist without bloodshed and they are romanced by both male & female Shepards.

But it doesn't really matter now that Shepard's story is done.

[Sundance31us]

IsaacShep wrote...
Ash & Liara (and other women) have absolutely ZERO problems dating someone who beats women for no reason.

Are you talking about the reporter?

[MACharlie1]

PMC65 wrote...

Or Ash could have said "Yes". We will never know what direction the writers would have went in.

From discussions that I've had with other female gamers, Ash would have increased in her fan base with females. But then had Bioware opened her to femShep would that have made players (who would never pick that option) leave her? Those players that don't want Ash with femShep would they dump her knowing that Ashley in alternate universes were with a female Shepard? Hmmm.

Kaidan and Liara fans seem to co-exist without bloodshed and they are romanced by both male & female Shepards.

But it doesn't really matter now that Shepard's story is done.

Double standard. Lesbians are okay because it's hot and sexy. Gay men aren't because they're all queens and talk with a lisp. 

[shepskisaac]

OneWomanArmy wrote...

Who are you to tell me or us to NOT to complain about Kaidan?

Someone who's not a hypocrite. No, ain't talking about you OneWomanArmy. I'm talking about a certain poster who totally didn't have a problem with Tali & Garrus romances in ME2 yet had it with Kaidan in ME3.

[BP93]

IsaacShep wrote...

Ohh hi. I stumbled across this thread ^^ As you can predict, I won't be circling around the BS ^^ So let's get straight to it.

Fist of all, they are ALL already Shepard-sexual. Ash & Liara (and other women) have absolutely ZERO problems dating someone who beats women for no reason. Also, they date Shepard no matter how ugly he is (and before you say "looks don't matter" yeah, for some people they don't. But it's unrealistic as hell that they don't mattter to ALL people that are LIs).

And of course, there's the the issue of Tali & Garrus. Unless you were totally complaining about their romances in ME2, you have ZERO right to complaing about Kaidan ^^

Clear? ^^

You know what's worse? Shepard kills women too! The horror!

[PMC65]

MACharlie1 - Kaidan is a female? That explains why that thread gets along too! : )

[Ryzaki]

Sundance31us wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...
Ash & Liara (and other women) have absolutely ZERO problems dating someone who beats women for no reason.

Are you talking about the reporter?

Probably.

And honestly that's not even remotely the most questionable thing a renedouche can do.

Saying an island filled with female crewmembers who have been turned into sex slaves is one hell of a vacation is one of those things.

[Han Shot First]

I mean, personally, I think every single person is bisexual on some level.

That isn't the case.

As hard as it might be fathom, some people really are just attracted to the opposite sex. Just as most people who identify as gay or lesbian, aren't harboring secret fantasies about heterosexual relationships.

[dgcatanisiri]

dgcatanisiri wrote...
And again I point out the fact that they'll only react to things Shepard expresses, and Shepard, by virtue of the options available at the time, could not express interest in Kaidan/Ashley if they were of the same sex in ME1. Hell, male Shepard couldn't even express ANY interest in other men until 3 and women were automatically flirting with him without even an option for him to say 'you're a nice girl, but I'm not interested.' You want to call him finally being able to tell another man that he's interested in him 'retconing' the character?

The thing about bisexuals is that it's just as much of a spectrum as sexuality itself. It seems clear that Kaidan falls closer to the straight side of it, given Rahna, him being an option for female Shepard from ME1, and his comment about EDI's body, but that doesn't preclude him from being interested in other men. Just because he hadn't acted on it previously (and again, I point out that Shepard is restrained from being able to express any interest in Kaidan in ME1, so he has no way of knowing if male Shepard is interested, while there are two women on the ship interested in Shepard, one of them being very obvious about it and the other one being rather catty towards the other woman, and anyone on the outside stays away from that situation to defend themselves) does not mean that he can't be interested.

Repeating myself for emphasis - just because Kaidan didn't openly express an interest in male Shepard in ME1 does not mean that he couldn't have been interested, and Ashley could equally have been interested in female Shepard.

[syllogi]

OneWomanArmy wrote...

The madam did run away... I hate when people leave a hate comment and then leave... Oh well, if you read this @Isaac I had a problem with Kaidan's sudden change of sexuality in me3 too!... Cant wait to hear what you will call me, too bad I cant stick around to read it...

Could you explain why you are refering to IsaacShep as "madam"?

Because that's the kind of ignorant "name calling" a petty, ridiculous homophobe might do.  Or maybe you have a legitimate reason for doing that?  I'm very, very curious.

[Han Shot First]

dgcatanisiri wrote...

and Ashley could equally have been interested in female Shepard.

Ashley could have also been interested in inserting the space hamster where he didn't belong.

There is an equal amount of evidence supporting the above statement as there is Ashley being bisexual: none.

While I wouldn't go so far as to claim Ashley being heterosexual is canon, there is a lot more evidence supporting the claim that she is heterosexual than there is her being bisexual.

[MACharlie1]

Han Shot First wrote...

I mean, personally, I think every single person is bisexual on some level.

That isn't the case.

As hard as it might be fathom, some people really are just attracted to the opposite sex. Just as most people who identify as gay or lesbian, aren't harboring secret fantasies about heterosexual relationships.

As I said, it's a personal belief based on a Kinsey Scale. And without removing several thousands of children and raise them in environments where certain sexual beliefs and taboos aren't an issue or pushed, it's impossible to determine what peoples "true sexuality" is.  

[dgcatanisiri]

Han Shot First wrote...

dgcatanisiri wrote...

and Ashley could equally have been interested in female Shepard.

Ashley could have also been interested in inserting the space hamster where he didn't belong.

There is an equal amount of evidence supporting the above statement as there is Ashley being bisexual: none.

While I wouldn't go so far as to claim Ashley being heterosexual is canon, there is a lot more evidence supporting the claim that she is heterosexual than there is her being bisexual.

Actually, since Ashley seems completely unaware of the space hamster's existence, there's far less evidence that she could be interested in it.

[PMC65]

@syllogi,

Quick off-topic ... I love your avatar! I really fell for Lena Headey in Imagine Me & You. Splendid film that was kind to all the characters.

[syllogi]

PMC65 wrote...

@syllogi,

Quick off-topic ... I love your avatar! I really fell for Lena Headey in Imagine Me & You. Splendid film that was kind to all the characters.

Thanks!  She first really came to my attention in Sarah Connor Chronicles, which was really getting good when it was cancelled.  She was pretty much the best part.

And to keep this on topic, I would pay handsomely for a f/f Lena Headey romance DLC for ME3.