why are people so hateful towards the shield? It blocks any incoming damage if used properly rather than jumping for cover. Would anyone willingly stand up to a banshee orb with another character type? The shield also excels at offence against anything foolish enough to close in.
The paladin is excellent for support and is awesome for duelling singled out opponents be they mooks or boss like enemies.
N7 Paladin - A Weak Character?
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#127
Posté 20 juillet 2012 - 02:40
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SirFragsALot333 wrote...
why are people so hateful towards the shield? It blocks any incoming damage if used properly rather than jumping for cover. Would anyone willingly stand up to a banshee orb with another character type? The shield also excels at offence against anything foolish enough to close in.
The paladin is excellent for support and is awesome for duelling singled out opponents be they mooks or boss like enemies.
It's not hate, and on Silver and Bronze, yeah, the shield is decent.
However, in order to be competitive on Gold and Platinum, you really do have to ignore the shield and spec him to be a caster.
#128
Posté 20 juillet 2012 - 02:57
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I have mine currently specced for Fire, but I've been backhanding pryos and primes with it (and Brutes, I feel like a matador) Cryo might be better as a general debuff.Curunen wrote...
Question - rank 6 shield mastery: Fire shield or cryo shield?
I have cryo shield at the moment, but thinking maybe fire shield will synergise better with snap freeze in close quarters?
Anyway, Snap Freeze works great as a debuff if you spec for range/extra damage/damage + armor weakening. Also, the light melee is an AOE and goes through cover (sometimes there are non-grabble enemies on the other side of cover, I killed a Banshee on Platinum with a melee
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#129
Posté 20 juillet 2012 - 02:58
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I dont think its very weak, it's pretty boss against Cerberus and Geth.
#130
Posté 20 juillet 2012 - 08:12
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Thoragoros wrote...
SirFragsALot333 wrote...
why are people so hateful towards the shield? It blocks any incoming damage if used properly rather than jumping for cover. Would anyone willingly stand up to a banshee orb with another character type? The shield also excels at offence against anything foolish enough to close in.
The paladin is excellent for support and is awesome for duelling singled out opponents be they mooks or boss like enemies.
It's not hate, and on Silver and Bronze, yeah, the shield is decent.
However, in order to be competitive on Gold and Platinum, you really do have to ignore the shield and spec him to be a caster.
Not really no. I do rather well on gold and platinum as a defensive player specced 6/3/6/5/6 Its not how you use it, its who is using it
#131
Posté 20 juillet 2012 - 09:56
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Anyone know if you can detonate energy drain for a tech burst with the fire shield?
#132
Posté 20 juillet 2012 - 09:58
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Thoragoros wrote...
SirFragsALot333 wrote...
why are people so hateful towards the shield? It blocks any incoming damage if used properly rather than jumping for cover. Would anyone willingly stand up to a banshee orb with another character type? The shield also excels at offence against anything foolish enough to close in.
The paladin is excellent for support and is awesome for duelling singled out opponents be they mooks or boss like enemies.
It's not hate, and on Silver and Bronze, yeah, the shield is decent.
However, in order to be competitive on Gold and Platinum, you really do have to ignore the shield and spec him to be a caster.
Actually I use the shield well on gold, if you have some decent players he is fantasic support
#133
Posté 20 juillet 2012 - 10:06
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Thoragoros wrote...
SirFragsALot333 wrote...
why are people so hateful towards the shield? It blocks any incoming damage if used properly rather than jumping for cover. Would anyone willingly stand up to a banshee orb with another character type? The shield also excels at offence against anything foolish enough to close in.
The paladin is excellent for support and is awesome for duelling singled out opponents be they mooks or boss like enemies.
It's not hate, and on Silver and Bronze, yeah, the shield is decent.
However, in order to be competitive on Gold and Platinum, you really do have to ignore the shield and spec him to be a caster.
I've only ever tried him on Gold, and his shield holds up pretty well to gun fire at that level. Melee attacks are obviously another story. He's especially good if you have team-mates watching your back.
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#134
Posté 20 juillet 2012 - 11:04
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No offense, but you are playing him totally wrong.
You have powers that allow you to very effectively deal with any enemy the game throws at you, along with better than average survivability and mobility.
Forget the shield exists, and play as a Combat Engineer spamming powers. You should be stripping shields with Energy Drain, debuffing armor with Snap Freeze, and dealing damage with incinerate.
Here is my loading out,
Energy Drain: 6. Teched for radius, full shields, and 40% damage reduction. This allows it not only to strip shields, but also to keep you alive.
Incinerate: 6. Teched for full damage and armor bonus.
Snap Freeze: 5. Teched for range and movement debuff.
Paladin: 4 or 5. Teched for weight and power damage.
Shield Mastery: 4. Tech for shields and health.
Using those specs, if you use Enenrgy often, you are basically a mobile tank that can deal with any situation. The thing is, you must pretend the shield doesn't exist. There is no situation, and I mean no situation under which you or the team is better off with you standing still with your shield out when you could instead be dodging and throwing powers.
If you play like that, the Paladin is awesome and deadly.
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Yeah, since i respecced him im finding him more a enjoyable character to play. Snap freeze on range has become a winner for me and really helped on platnium.
As for using the shield, im using it more as a bash them method with either snap freeze or engegy drain. What i have found useful is that a full specced up snap freeze with movement and the same on shield really slows down bosses to a crawl and is good for giving the team time to get away.
I still use the shield as a mobile wall, but only with teams that understand the paladins use. had a cracking match on gold where i protected the team for uploading data and a particular nasty boss when we backed ourselves in a corner by mistake. Thou these teams are rare atm as most just dont care or understand. Had a group kept getting killed by a atlas whilst reviving the other members, so i got infront and gave them breathing space to all revive, for them only to walk around me infront of my shield and die again. once i can understand, 3 times thou with me moving each time to protect them??
You have powers that allow you to very effectively deal with any enemy the game throws at you, along with better than average survivability and mobility.
Forget the shield exists, and play as a Combat Engineer spamming powers. You should be stripping shields with Energy Drain, debuffing armor with Snap Freeze, and dealing damage with incinerate.
Here is my loading out,
Energy Drain: 6. Teched for radius, full shields, and 40% damage reduction. This allows it not only to strip shields, but also to keep you alive.
Incinerate: 6. Teched for full damage and armor bonus.
Snap Freeze: 5. Teched for range and movement debuff.
Paladin: 4 or 5. Teched for weight and power damage.
Shield Mastery: 4. Tech for shields and health.
Using those specs, if you use Enenrgy often, you are basically a mobile tank that can deal with any situation. The thing is, you must pretend the shield doesn't exist. There is no situation, and I mean no situation under which you or the team is better off with you standing still with your shield out when you could instead be dodging and throwing powers.
If you play like that, the Paladin is awesome and deadly.
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Yeah, since i respecced him im finding him more a enjoyable character to play. Snap freeze on range has become a winner for me and really helped on platnium.
As for using the shield, im using it more as a bash them method with either snap freeze or engegy drain. What i have found useful is that a full specced up snap freeze with movement and the same on shield really slows down bosses to a crawl and is good for giving the team time to get away.
I still use the shield as a mobile wall, but only with teams that understand the paladins use. had a cracking match on gold where i protected the team for uploading data and a particular nasty boss when we backed ourselves in a corner by mistake. Thou these teams are rare atm as most just dont care or understand. Had a group kept getting killed by a atlas whilst reviving the other members, so i got infront and gave them breathing space to all revive, for them only to walk around me infront of my shield and die again. once i can understand, 3 times thou with me moving each time to protect them??
#135
Posté 20 juillet 2012 - 11:06
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The class is playable without using the shield much, but that being said...
re: the shield
I think the shield planting could be improved by reducing damage taken by the Paladin while a shield is planted... or simply improving the coverage it gives. Sure, it makes sense the shield can only block fire from near dead ahead when it comes to your allies... but if it's going to make you immobile, at least while you're immobile you should be able to take some flanking fire without immediately being cut down... reduced damage, not immunity, I think would prevent it from being abused.
I have on some occasions found it extremely useful in cancelling out ravagers and turrets. I have at other times found myself taking a lot of damage from flanking fire... where the flanking seems to only be about five degree off of directly in front of my shield (it may simply be a lag issue, and the flanking fire is actually farther around my sides than 5 degrees off dead ahead).
re: the shield
I think the shield planting could be improved by reducing damage taken by the Paladin while a shield is planted... or simply improving the coverage it gives. Sure, it makes sense the shield can only block fire from near dead ahead when it comes to your allies... but if it's going to make you immobile, at least while you're immobile you should be able to take some flanking fire without immediately being cut down... reduced damage, not immunity, I think would prevent it from being abused.
I have on some occasions found it extremely useful in cancelling out ravagers and turrets. I have at other times found myself taking a lot of damage from flanking fire... where the flanking seems to only be about five degree off of directly in front of my shield (it may simply be a lag issue, and the flanking fire is actually farther around my sides than 5 degrees off dead ahead).
#136
Posté 20 juillet 2012 - 11:15
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most effective use of the shield I've found is to stop a Brute charge without taking any damage.
#137
Posté 20 juillet 2012 - 11:30
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[quote]RemovableSanity wrote...
Using those specs, if you use Enenrgy often, you are basically a mobile tank that can deal with any situation. The thing is, you must pretend the shield doesn't exist. There is no situation, and I mean no situation under which you or the team is better off with you standing still with your shield out when you could instead be dodging and throwing powers.
If you play like that, the Paladin is awesome and deadly.
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I have to disagree. The Paladin can be an asset when it comes to objective waves. A groups of friends including I have beaten platinum mainly because one of us was a Paladin. While we were doing the escort and pizza objectives, the Paladin would block off access routes that the enemy took to attempt a halt to our plans. The enemies focused their attention on him while the rest of us safely arrived to the endpoints.
The Paladin can be offensive, don't get me wrong. But if done right, he can be a valuable wall.
Using those specs, if you use Enenrgy often, you are basically a mobile tank that can deal with any situation. The thing is, you must pretend the shield doesn't exist. There is no situation, and I mean no situation under which you or the team is better off with you standing still with your shield out when you could instead be dodging and throwing powers.
If you play like that, the Paladin is awesome and deadly.
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I have to disagree. The Paladin can be an asset when it comes to objective waves. A groups of friends including I have beaten platinum mainly because one of us was a Paladin. While we were doing the escort and pizza objectives, the Paladin would block off access routes that the enemy took to attempt a halt to our plans. The enemies focused their attention on him while the rest of us safely arrived to the endpoints.
The Paladin can be offensive, don't get me wrong. But if done right, he can be a valuable wall.
#138
Posté 20 juillet 2012 - 11:49
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How is the Paladin in terms of shields? I feel like it should be near-Krogan level with a barrier to really be a great tank.
#139
Posté 20 juillet 2012 - 12:00
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The real PBALL wrote...
How is the Paladin in terms of shields? I feel like it should be near-Krogan level with a barrier to really be a great tank.
Good, but not great. Between Energy Drain and the Omni-Shield he's extremely durable, though.
#140
Posté 20 juillet 2012 - 12:07
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iplay222 wrote...
Thoragoros wrote...
SirFragsALot333 wrote...
why are people so hateful towards the shield? It blocks any incoming damage if used properly rather than jumping for cover. Would anyone willingly stand up to a banshee orb with another character type? The shield also excels at offence against anything foolish enough to close in.
The paladin is excellent for support and is awesome for duelling singled out opponents be they mooks or boss like enemies.
It's not hate, and on Silver and Bronze, yeah, the shield is decent.
However, in order to be competitive on Gold and Platinum, you really do have to ignore the shield and spec him to be a caster.
Actually I use the shield well on gold, if you have some decent players he is fantasic support
The operative word is support. Not many players want to play the "support" role.
#141
Posté 20 juillet 2012 - 02:31
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The real PBALL wrote...
How is the Paladin in terms of shields? I feel like it should be near-Krogan level with a barrier to really be a great tank.
ive fully wacked out my sheilds and its at 1050 atm. The shield ive got can take 5250 in damage thou. So if you can get behind it quickly you do have more breathing space.
#142
Posté 20 juillet 2012 - 02:44
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depends on how you want to play. i love my paladin. i love being mobile cover and distracting bosses so my team an kill them. i don't care about score.
snap freeze is great, i have it spec'd for range and combos so i can flash freeze a mob and let my team destroy them. yeah, you can't move with the shield, but that's not the point. you set yourself up as a wall in front of the team and soak up the damage (i played with a justicar who would bubble around me when i had my shield up...good combo). cryo shield is FANTASTIC. slows, debuffs armor and freezes unprotected just by them walking into me.
you can exit the shield by shield bash, throwing a power or a combat roll. yes, you can get swarmed if your positioning is bad (finding the right spots takes practice, as i'm learning somewhat painfully), but that goes for any class.
a paladin is all about sacrifice. you sacrifice your kills for assists in priming for tech combos. you sacrifice your body for your team. you are the line and none shall pass.
snap freeze is great, i have it spec'd for range and combos so i can flash freeze a mob and let my team destroy them. yeah, you can't move with the shield, but that's not the point. you set yourself up as a wall in front of the team and soak up the damage (i played with a justicar who would bubble around me when i had my shield up...good combo). cryo shield is FANTASTIC. slows, debuffs armor and freezes unprotected just by them walking into me.
you can exit the shield by shield bash, throwing a power or a combat roll. yes, you can get swarmed if your positioning is bad (finding the right spots takes practice, as i'm learning somewhat painfully), but that goes for any class.
a paladin is all about sacrifice. you sacrifice your kills for assists in priming for tech combos. you sacrifice your body for your team. you are the line and none shall pass.
#143
Posté 20 juillet 2012 - 02:47
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A Wild Snorlax wrote...
Anyone know if you can detonate energy drain for a tech burst with the fire shield?
you can.
#144
Posté 20 juillet 2012 - 02:53
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What BW should do is for every 100 points of damage your shield takes, you recieve a set amount of points and XP
#145
Posté 20 juillet 2012 - 02:55
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I was playing my paladin successfully on Gold with randoms using the shield. I would run up to groups of enemies, and snap freeze/ED depending on the enemies and plop down in front of them with my shield until ED was up again. I was basically unkillable unless I got caught with ED on cooldown and my shield was broken. I also used a Striker X with Cryo Ammo for massive AoE CC with Snap Freeze spam.
I think playing without the shield is more for "I NEEDZ MOAR POINTZ" type of players. Even with being proactive with debuffing and EDing with the shield, you will end up killing the weaker enemies and you will get lots of assist points.
I think playing without the shield is more for "I NEEDZ MOAR POINTZ" type of players. Even with being proactive with debuffing and EDing with the shield, you will end up killing the weaker enemies and you will get lots of assist points.
#146
Posté 20 juillet 2012 - 03:26
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twiffer wrote...
depends on how you want to play. i love my paladin. i love being mobile cover and distracting bosses so my team an kill them. i don't care about score.
snap freeze is great, i have it spec'd for range and combos so i can flash freeze a mob and let my team destroy them. yeah, you can't move with the shield, but that's not the point. you set yourself up as a wall in front of the team and soak up the damage (i played with a justicar who would bubble around me when i had my shield up...good combo). cryo shield is FANTASTIC. slows, debuffs armor and freezes unprotected just by them walking into me.
you can exit the shield by shield bash, throwing a power or a combat roll. yes, you can get swarmed if your positioning is bad (finding the right spots takes practice, as i'm learning somewhat painfully), but that goes for any class.
a paladin is all about sacrifice. you sacrifice your kills for assists in priming for tech combos. you sacrifice your body for your team. you are the line and none shall pass.
Yeah when you get a good team who will help you out when your a paladin, you can pretty much become the ultimate wall and cover for them. Its give and take on both, you keep them alive longer by sacrificing kills, and they buff you to become more sturdy and resisitant ( not that you arnt wiht your sheild up anyway) and allow them to focus and keep alive longer.
#147
Posté 20 juillet 2012 - 03:37
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LRockDiesel wrote...
I think playing without the shield is more for "I NEEDZ MOAR POINTZ" type of players.
Not for me. I don't care about score but I don't particularly find the shield that useful as it is currently implemented. I am still fully speced into the shield but am soon going to promote or respec.
I LOVE the idea of the paladin class having a shield, but the shield should not make him immobile (guradians are not imobile.) And he should be able to use his powers (with a longer cooldown) and shoot one-handed weapons (guardians can do that.) I'd also like to see the shield regenerate hit points and for the paladin to have damage reduction when the shield is deployed.
#148
Posté 20 juillet 2012 - 04:39
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Elias_007 wrote...
What BW should do is for every 100 points of damage your shield takes, you recieve a set amount of points and XP
what about the unsung heroes who spec their biotic buble for pure defence... or the full shield regen geth engy sentries... or the supply depot demolishers... what about them? the game is lacking in so many ways, i think someone really should make a plea and a thread for BW about giving more credit for those who use support specs. I would totally support that idea.
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Posté 20 juillet 2012 - 06:53
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Just some thoughts to improve the Paladin-
-Base shields/health changed from 750/500 to 900/650
-Add mobility when the shield is deployed similar to the Guardian- slowed walking speed and able to use a pistol. The shield would still be breakable. No power use while the shield is deployed.
-Replace Incinerate with Shockwave*. This would make the Paladin an actual Sentinel and work well in conjunction with Snap Freeze.
*Shockwave is a really useful power that gets a lot of unwarranted hate.
-Base shields/health changed from 750/500 to 900/650
-Add mobility when the shield is deployed similar to the Guardian- slowed walking speed and able to use a pistol. The shield would still be breakable. No power use while the shield is deployed.
-Replace Incinerate with Shockwave*. This would make the Paladin an actual Sentinel and work well in conjunction with Snap Freeze.
*Shockwave is a really useful power that gets a lot of unwarranted hate.
#150
Posté 20 juillet 2012 - 06:58
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The main "issue" I found while playing Paladin is the fact I don't kill so many enemies like I do with other classes but I used him as a tech "purist" (Talon+ Powers spam).
I think the best way to use him is to give a strong close quaters weapon and come close and personal with most enemies (a part the instant kill ones) .
If the target is shielding you have energy drain, if armored Incinerate. Then you unleash your firepower and when you start taking damage you activate your shield.
You can easily shield yourself, fire/cast power, then shield again. You can perform a melee attack to finish wounded target.
I believe this is a good tactic, let me now if I'm wrong
I think the best way to use him is to give a strong close quaters weapon and come close and personal with most enemies (a part the instant kill ones) .
If the target is shielding you have energy drain, if armored Incinerate. Then you unleash your firepower and when you start taking damage you activate your shield.
You can easily shield yourself, fire/cast power, then shield again. You can perform a melee attack to finish wounded target.
I believe this is a good tactic, let me now if I'm wrong
