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[LynxAQ]

This is been bugging me for a while and after watching the cut scene at the start of the dead trenches in my 8th playthrough, I cant bite my tongue anymore. I do enjoy this game else I wouldnt be on my 8th playthrough but this has been bugging me for some time now.

Did you employ LotR screenplay writers for the cinematics or did the cinematics team just not have any original idea of there own? Seriously the cut scenes are so much like lord of the rings that it is almost bordering on copyright imo.

The intro is the only cinematic cut scene that has a slight resemblance but the rest are blatant.

Intro has the voice over explaining some past battle - same as LotR, but thats about as close as it gets.

The Ostagar battle is almost like somebody sat down and said lets make a Helm Deep battle but instead of Gandolf saving the day, Gandolf leaves Helms Deep to burn. Other than that its almost the exact same thing.

All the "dreams" with the archdemon watching / talking to you. Hello great lidless eye???

The scene in deep trenches at the start, is blatant LotR copying, I mean the scene with frodo/sam/smeagle near the dead city when the witchking flies past them and they hide behind a rock (lol), its almost identicle to the deep trenches scene, even had the armies ready to start marching to war lol.

The scene with the voice over by Eamon when you get the cinematic showing the guards changing in the court just after you finished collecting all your troops, its just like the scene with Gandolf giving the voice over as they approached Edoras. For heavens its even done in the same tone and manner.

The final charge with the speech by Alistair or Anora (CAN I SAY YOU SHOULD OF USED LOGHAIN! CAUSE THE SPEECH BY ANORA BEFORE THE FINAL BATTLE AT DENERIM IS AWEFUL AND CRINGEWORTHY), seriously this was a complete ripoff of the final charge by the Rohirrim Horsemen in LotR. Only reason there are no horses is cause the animators where most likely to lazy.

Seriously is it to hard to ask for some originality these days without fail cinematic developers trying to copy LotR (of all things as well).

[LynxAQ]

Surprised we didnt have a ring to destroy in this game as well its so muc copying and unoriginality.

[Bibdy]

If you think you can do better, write up a script and send it in to Bioware.

[Ariella]

As a troll I give a 3/10, unoriginal and uninspired, plus you just don't have a beat that can be danced to.

[LynxAQ]

Bibdy wrote...

If you think you can do better, write up a script and send it in to Bioware.

That is such a weak argument on so many levels its not even funny. I am not paid to do it, its not my job. However, if it was my job and I had a big team I definately would not turn on the LotR dvds and copy them almost scene by scene and if I was gonna copy something (Not that I would), I would at least whip out a medievil movie that is barely known.

[GuilisBaenre]

When all you have is a hammer...

[LynxAQ]

They said when developing this world, they where trying to create a new unique world with lots of adventures etc etc, we all heard the sales pitch. But we got is a wannabe LotR world with cut scenes almost bordering on copyright.



Not that the game isnt entertaining - it is - but it is definately not an orginal game.

[apantoliani]

I'm a avid fan of both and I disagree. Not every fantasy has to == LotR. Of all my friends who play this game and have watched the movies (lol @ comparing them to the movies anyway), think your opinion is rather bogus. You make it sound like no one can ever use similar fantasy elements - all rather generic - without it being a ripoff. Tolkien (Or Peter Jackson) didn't invent any of the stuff that was done in that movie, it was all pieced together from a team of hundreds of people. In that sense, nothing is unique anyway.



If you start looking for similarities enough, sure you'll find them. Like I happen to think Dog is a rip off from my dog on Dogz 3. Bioware must have ripped them off.

[Antikristine]

It's called use of genre conventions....

[Rainen89]

Lotr clearly has no inventive creativity because they stole the concept of elves/dwarves and an evil force using forces to mass communicate to those connected to him. Every single idea is based off another.

[ChickenDownUnder]

I'm pretty sure they were going for the basic fantasy world with a few twists on purpose.

[LynxAQ]

apantoliani wrote...

I'm a avid fan of both and I disagree. Not every fantasy has to == LotR. Of all my friends who play this game and have watched the movies (lol @ comparing them to the movies anyway), think your opinion is rather bogus. You make it sound like no one can ever use similar fantasy elements - all rather generic - without it being a ripoff. Tolkien (Or Peter Jackson) didn't invent any of the stuff that was done in that movie, it was all pieced together from a team of hundreds of people. In that sense, nothing is unique anyway.

If you start looking for similarities enough, sure you'll find them. Like I happen to think Dog is a rip off from my dog on Dogz 3. Bioware must have ripped them off.

I cant believe you claim to be an avid fan yet think Tolkien never invented all the stuff in his books etc? Are you serious? He didnt invent everything, obviously he took some ideas especially the basic concepts like elves / orcs etc from other mythologies, but he did invent his entire middle earth and lore and even invented several languages. So much for the avid fan, and I dont even consider myself the avid fan yet I knew that.

Saying the cut scenes in this game have "similarities", is a light way to put it lol. More like we wouldnt have known the difference if they just cut the scene out of the movie.

[robertthebard]

Let's see, where to begin, oh, armies squaring off on a battle field. Probably better get on William Wallace for copyright infringement too. Squads upon squads of men waiting to charge, whether it be into other men or monsters, pretty much they all look the same from far away.



Oh, wait, more specifically you mean the Darkspawn coming out of the forest to attack Ostagar? As I recall from both the book and the movie, there was no forest at Helm's Deep, until after the battle, when Fangorn got sick of the bs from the orcs, and munched 'em. So yeah, I can totally see some copyright infringement there, er, no, it's after the fact, eh, so no..Unless the Kocari Wilds ate up all the darkspawn?



Since when was Mordor underground? Not just underground either, mind you, but deep underground? Yeah, can totally see the similarity there, and who was that guy in the funny hat sitting on the Archdemon? I've been wondering about that forever.



The problem with the Sauron's Eye comparison should be quite obvious, but since it's not, let me point out that while you can see an eye in the dreams, it is still lodged squarely in the skull of the Archdemon.



Anora is definitely aggravating giving the speech. However, giving rousing speeches before a battle is hardly something that you can copyright. Call Ripley's, because believe it or not, it's still done even today. However, in the days of mounted knights riding into battle it was the final moral boost before they rode into death. Since it's been done since warfare began, pretty much, it's hardly something that one franchise or another can claim ownership of. Also of note, if you look at them from a distance, they all look pretty much the same, barring terrain.



You can find similarities to a lot of things if you look for them. Now, if they'd had a mounted cavalry, and had given the exact same speech, you'd be on to something, as it is, no. Concerning originality, am I to believe that Tolkien did it first? I'm a big fan, but I can tell you that he didn't, and was't even close. Field commanders have been doing that for a long time before Tolkien was born. Should we maybe start a petition to have him sued for infringement for putting that into his books?



There are dwarves and elves in the story too, so that should be grounds for further infringement?

[Jaromani]

With a film franchise so massive and successful like Lord of the Rings having come out relatively recently, it's hard to imagine another fantasy game/movie not being influenced by it.

[The Angry One]

I say it should be called Stargate Age: Origin because it has Claudia Black, and Origins is one letter away from Origin!

[Galad22]

And I say call it Witcher: Origins

Elves living as more or less fifth class citizens for humans, but brave bandit bands of elves roaming in forest.

Dwarfes living on the ruins of their former once great empire.

Sounds very familiar.

Also grey warden is just a witcher with much less special abilities.

Now mind you I don't say this in bad way, clearly bioware has good taste in their fantasy books.

Modifié par Galad22, 18 décembre 2009 - 12:18 .

[LynxAQ]

robertthebard wrote...

Let's see, where to begin, oh, armies squaring off on a battle field. Probably better get on William Wallace for copyright infringement too. Squads upon squads of men waiting to charge, whether it be into other men or monsters, pretty much they all look the same from far away.

Oh, wait, more specifically you mean the Darkspawn coming out of the forest to attack Ostagar? As I recall from both the book and the movie, there was no forest at Helm's Deep, until after the battle, when Fangorn got sick of the bs from the orcs, and munched 'em. So yeah, I can totally see some copyright infringement there, er, no, it's after the fact, eh, so no..Unless the Kocari Wilds ate up all the darkspawn?

Since when was Mordor underground? Not just underground either, mind you, but deep underground? Yeah, can totally see the similarity there, and who was that guy in the funny hat sitting on the Archdemon? I've been wondering about that forever.

The problem with the Sauron's Eye comparison should be quite obvious, but since it's not, let me point out that while you can see an eye in the dreams, it is still lodged squarely in the skull of the Archdemon.

Anora is definitely aggravating giving the speech. However, giving rousing speeches before a battle is hardly something that you can copyright. Call Ripley's, because believe it or not, it's still done even today. However, in the days of mounted knights riding into battle it was the final moral boost before they rode into death. Since it's been done since warfare began, pretty much, it's hardly something that one franchise or another can claim ownership of. Also of note, if you look at them from a distance, they all look pretty much the same, barring terrain.

You can find similarities to a lot of things if you look for them. Now, if they'd had a mounted cavalry, and had given the exact same speech, you'd be on to something, as it is, no. Concerning originality, am I to believe that Tolkien did it first? I'm a big fan, but I can tell you that he didn't, and was't even close. Field commanders have been doing that for a long time before Tolkien was born. Should we maybe start a petition to have him sued for infringement for putting that into his books?

There are dwarves and elves in the story too, so that should be grounds for further infringement?

You do realise I was talking about the cut scenes and the cinematics in the game and NOT THE STORY AND LORE. Reading comprehension people.

My whole post is about how unorginal the cinematics and cut scenes are from the movie - nothing else. They are all just copied from the LotR movie whether you will admit it or not.

So not sure what this psoter is going on about. Read my post next time please before replying, will save you the effort of making a long pointless post completely off topic.

[The Angry One]

Well I say the LotR moviesripped their battle scenes off from Gladiator. Discuss.

[Fleapants]

The Angry One wrote...

Well I say the LotR moviesripped their battle scenes off from Gladiator. Discuss.

But Gladiator ripped off the ancient Romans. Wtf is up with that.

[Herr Uhl]

Fleapants wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Well I say the LotR moviesripped their battle scenes off from Gladiator. Discuss.

But Gladiator ripped off the ancient Romans. Wtf is up with that.

And the Romans ripped off the Greeks!

[thenemesis77]

so the pc is Aragorn, bhahah and the elf chick is Morrigan... hahahah.


I'am better then Aragorn on two themes, my girl is heaps better and my baby is a GOD baby, hahaha.

Modifié par thenemesis77, 18 décembre 2009 - 12:29 .

[Rainen89]

And romans ripped off greece, discuss.

[Rainen89]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Fleapants wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Well I say the LotR moviesripped their battle scenes off from Gladiator. Discuss.

But Gladiator ripped off the ancient Romans. Wtf is up with that.

And the Romans ripped off the Greeks!

Damn you!

[bunnie.riane]

LynxAQ wrote...

apantoliani wrote...

I'm a avid fan of both and I disagree. Not every fantasy has to == LotR. Of all my friends who play this game and have watched the movies (lol @ comparing them to the movies anyway), think your opinion is rather bogus. You make it sound like no one can ever use similar fantasy elements - all rather generic - without it being a ripoff. Tolkien (Or Peter Jackson) didn't invent any of the stuff that was done in that movie, it was all pieced together from a team of hundreds of people. In that sense, nothing is unique anyway.

If you start looking for similarities enough, sure you'll find them. Like I happen to think Dog is a rip off from my dog on Dogz 3. Bioware must have ripped them off.

I cant believe you claim to be an avid fan yet think Tolkien never invented all the stuff in his books etc? Are you serious? He didnt invent everything, obviously he took some ideas especially the basic concepts like elves / orcs etc from other mythologies, but he did invent his entire middle earth and lore and even invented several languages. So much for the avid fan, and I dont even consider myself the avid fan yet I knew that.

Saying the cut scenes in this game have "similarities", is a light way to put it lol. More like we wouldnt have known the difference if they just cut the scene out of the movie.

And Bioware created Ferelden, Orlais, Antiva, etc.
Unless I'm mistaken I haven't found any mention of these places anywhere else. So, it's fair to say that they created their own world too, along with "the basic concepts like elves / orcs etc from other mythologies".

Other than the obvious, which almost every fantasy book/movie/game have in common, I see nothing that anyone would seriously say ripped off any story.
And chilllll it looks like people are gettin a lil too worked up over this

[LynxAQ]

Personally prefer Gladiator to LotR movies, but no one can deny that the cut scenes in this game are blatant copies of the LotR movies.