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[kesayo2]

I agree. The cutscenes were heavily influenced by LotR cinematics.

Peter Jackson is great at making movies.

Bioware is great at making games.

I didn't really expect Bioware to create totally original cutscenes that are as good as any movie.

And you can hardly fault Bioware for borrowing cinematic elements from probably the best movie in the fantasy genre ever made.

Pretty much every fantasy movie from now on will be heavily influenced by LotR. Just like every movie since Star Wars was heavily influenced by it.

[CcDohl2]

I was mad that the dwarf beards were not as long as the ones in Warcraft. They should have ripped that off imo.

[katramye]

LynxAQ wrote...

Bibdy wrote...

If you think you can do better, write up a script and send it in to Bioware.

That is such a weak argument on so many levels its not even funny.

Waaaait, aren't you the guy who was complaining that the writers wrote their own lore and stuck to it rather than opening it up as a community effort in the "Is there really any point in warden being marride cause of the taint" thread?

I have never seen a company in all my many gaming years take such an
approach on the lore "This is the game lore and this is how it will be
because I said so". Rather bad way to develope lore with the community
who love the game tbh.

Modifié par katramye, 18 décembre 2009 - 12:37 .

[ReubenLiew]

How dare they!

How dare they use cinametography that has been established for over a hundred years in Hollywood! How dare they share the same principles in camera work with LotR who CLEARLY invented the use of their camera work that is referenced from established principles of cinematography!

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

robertthebard wrote...

Let's see, where to begin, oh, armies squaring off on a battle field. Probably better get on William Wallace for copyright infringement too. Squads upon squads of men waiting to charge, whether it be into other men or monsters, pretty much they all look the same from far away.

And you do realise that in his first sentence he shot down your claims...

He mentioned William Wallace... aka the guy who the film 'Braveheart' was about and he did a similar rallying speech in that and... that was out way before Lord of the Rings.

So seriously, before you spout out such nonsense about DAO ripping from LotR on the cinematic/cut scenes do some research.

Modifié par Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien, 18 décembre 2009 - 12:38 .

[LynxAQ]

bunnie.riane wrote...

LynxAQ wrote...

I cant believe you claim to be an avid fan yet think Tolkien never invented all the stuff in his books etc? Are you serious? He didnt invent everything, obviously he took some ideas especially the basic concepts like elves / orcs etc from other mythologies, but he did invent his entire middle earth and lore and even invented several languages. So much for the avid fan, and I dont even consider myself the avid fan yet I knew that.

Saying the cut scenes in this game have "similarities", is a light way to put it lol. More like we wouldnt have known the difference if they just cut the scene out of the movie.

And Bioware created Ferelden, Orlais, Antiva, etc.
Unless I'm mistaken I haven't found any mention of these places anywhere else. So, it's fair to say that they created their own world too, along with "the basic concepts like elves / orcs etc from other mythologies".

Other than the obvious, which almost every fantasy book/movie/game have in common, I see nothing that anyone would seriously say ripped off any story.
And chilllll it looks like people are gettin a lil too worked up over this

Another who never actually readmy original post. I was replying to a person who claimed to be an avid fan of the LotR genre yet thought Tolkien never invented anything.

I never said this game was a copy of LotR - I said most the cinematics and cut scenes in this game are practically copied pasted from the LotR movie. The ones that arent copied from the LotR movies are the parts that they didnt have in the LotR movies. I am sure if werewolves where in LotR movie the developers would of copied it as well for the werewolves.

[CcDohl2]

kesayo2 wrote...
And you can hardly fault Bioware for borrowing cinematic elements from probably the best movie in the fantasy genre ever made.

Where did they rip off from Willow?

[Galad22]

kesayo2 wrote...

I agree. The cutscenes were heavily influenced by LotR cinematics.
Peter Jackson is great at making movies.
Bioware is great at making games.
I didn't really expect Bioware to create totally original cutscenes that are as good as any movie.
And you can hardly fault Bioware for borrowing cinematic elements from probably the best movie in the fantasy genre ever made.
Pretty much every fantasy movie from now on will be heavily influenced by LotR. Just like every movie since Star Wars was heavily influenced by it.

Not just movies, every fantasy story is heavily influenced by Lord of the Rings, it is more or less father of these sort of stories.

[Herr Uhl]

ReubenLiew wrote...

How dare they!
How dare they use cinametography that has been established for over a hundred years in Hollywood! How dare they share the same principles in camera work with LotR who CLEARLY invented the use of their camera work that is referenced from established principles of cinematography!

I'm outraged! Let us shake fists! *shake fist*

[ReubenLiew]

I agree! *shakes fist*

[Bullets McDeath]

CcDohl2 wrote...

kesayo2 wrote...
And you can hardly fault Bioware for borrowing cinematic elements from probably the best movie in the fantasy genre ever made.

Where did they rip off from Willow?

Good job, sir.

Seriously, LotR can bite hogpenis. I submit the OP is unoriginal and lazy, couldn't he find some other massive fantasy epic to bash Dragon Age about with? What about the stuff they stole from Wheel of Time? And Legend!? Hell, Tim Curry's even in the voice cast.

[Rainen89]

@ OP, watch this. http://www.southpark...pisodes/103967/

[robertthebard]

LynxAQ wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

Let's see, where to begin, oh, armies squaring off on a battle field. Probably better get on William Wallace for copyright infringement too. Squads upon squads of men waiting to charge, whether it be into other men or monsters, pretty much they all look the same from far away.

Oh, wait, more specifically you mean the Darkspawn coming out of the forest to attack Ostagar? As I recall from both the book and the movie, there was no forest at Helm's Deep, until after the battle, when Fangorn got sick of the bs from the orcs, and munched 'em. So yeah, I can totally see some copyright infringement there, er, no, it's after the fact, eh, so no..Unless the Kocari Wilds ate up all the darkspawn?

Since when was Mordor underground? Not just underground either, mind you, but deep underground? Yeah, can totally see the similarity there, and who was that guy in the funny hat sitting on the Archdemon? I've been wondering about that forever.

The problem with the Sauron's Eye comparison should be quite obvious, but since it's not, let me point out that while you can see an eye in the dreams, it is still lodged squarely in the skull of the Archdemon.

Anora is definitely aggravating giving the speech. However, giving rousing speeches before a battle is hardly something that you can copyright. Call Ripley's, because believe it or not, it's still done even today. However, in the days of mounted knights riding into battle it was the final moral boost before they rode into death. Since it's been done since warfare began, pretty much, it's hardly something that one franchise or another can claim ownership of. Also of note, if you look at them from a distance, they all look pretty much the same, barring terrain.

You can find similarities to a lot of things if you look for them. Now, if they'd had a mounted cavalry, and had given the exact same speech, you'd be on to something, as it is, no. Concerning originality, am I to believe that Tolkien did it first? I'm a big fan, but I can tell you that he didn't, and was't even close. Field commanders have been doing that for a long time before Tolkien was born. Should we maybe start a petition to have him sued for infringement for putting that into his books?

There are dwarves and elves in the story too, so that should be grounds for further infringement?

You do realise I was talking about the cut scenes and the cinematics in the game and NOT THE STORY AND LORE. Reading comprehension people.

My whole post is about how unorginal the cinematics and cut scenes are from the movie - nothing else. They are all just copied from the LotR movie whether you will admit it or not.

So not sure what this psoter is going on about. Read my post next time please before replying, will save you the effort of making a long pointless post completely off topic.

I comprehended you perfectly, although I do think a lack of comprehension is apparent here.  However, to oversimplify what I previously said, to assure you understand it:

Sten:  No.  Medieval set battles will all look the same.  Just because an army of monsters is marching on a fortress doesn't mean that the idea was stolen from somewhere else.  Is that too many big words, or words period, for you to understand?

Are there similarities between Helm's Deep and Ostagar?  Assuredly, it's raining.  A horde of monsters is marching on the fortress.  Similarities in strategy?  Most assuredly, but defending fortresses have always used archers to thin the ranks of attacker, so if you're going to claim copyright, you'd have to go a long way back in history to the first time that was ever used.  Just because the battle was fought the same way, with similar tactics does not mean that it's a copyright infringement.  What it does mean is that you read too much into what you were watching.  Took the similarities, and drew the erroneous conclusion that it must have been copied...Good job on understanding anything about either history, or copyright.  You cannot copyright storming a fortress, the same tactics have been used since the dawn of war.  So again, comprehension is everything.  However, I don't really think I'm lacking.

[LynxAQ]

katramye wrote...
Waaaait, aren't you the guy who was complaining that the writers wrote their own lore and stuck to it rather than opening it up as a community effort in the "Is there really any point in warden being marride cause of the taint" thread?

I was complaining about the fact 2 grey wardens couldnt have babies, nothing else. And as this is not the post for it and completely off topic, I wont say anything else.

And please guys read the original post I made. I am NOT complaining or criticising the lore of this game or even comparing it to LotR.

I AM comparing and complaining about the complete lack of originality in the cinematic cut scenes and how they basically just copied the Peter Jackson film LotR almost to the point they could of just cut the scenes out of the movie and we would almost be watching the same thing.

I would of expected something more and orginal considering the rest of the game is good - I wouldnt of played it so many times if it wasnt.

[Rostas7]

Yeah,this thread is made of intellectual awesomeness.It's as if games copy life.Hahahahaa...haha....ha....Oh,wait.....it does?. That's ...that's....blasphemy!

[DPSSOC]

LynxAQ wrote...

Not that the game isnt entertaining - it is - but it is definately not an orginal game.

In the history of man there have only been 3 original ideas: Fire, Rock, and Stick.  Everything else is merely a variation, combination, or imitation of those 3 ideas.

[ReubenLiew]

In the immortal words of the internet.



Pics or it didn't happen.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Is this the point where I mention how that event 'Gaxe' was having trouble with them 'Shades in a random encounter' is labelled as "One Ring" in the game guide? Namely because on an elf corpse in that event there is a ring

Nah?!?! Why not?

Simple because there is also another random encounter event labelled "Axe and the Stump" which is basically a complete homage to "The Sword and the Stone"...

According to the game guide, really rare chance of getting these 2 events.

Edit: Also as someone else mentioned if you really want to state they ripped the ostagar scene off a movie, it HAS to be Gladiator, right at the start, forest area, the only difference of course, in gladiator the flanking forces DID arrive

The fact is though you can't exactly vary battle sequences if you go by how a true 'military' force would fight. So the point is moot.

Modifié par Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien, 18 décembre 2009 - 12:51 .

[LynxAQ]

outlaworacle wrote...

CcDohl2 wrote...

kesayo2 wrote...
And you can hardly fault Bioware for borrowing cinematic elements from probably the best movie in the fantasy genre ever made.

Where did they rip off from Willow?

Good job, sir.

Seriously, LotR can bite hogpenis. I submit the OP is unoriginal and lazy, couldn't he find some other massive fantasy epic to bash Dragon Age about with? What about the stuff they stole from Wheel of Time? And Legend!? Hell, Tim Curry's even in the voice cast.

I admit its late (00:47 in uk) and I am bored, but I am surprised at how many fish I caught with my Trolling Fishing Rod.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

LynxAQ wrote...

outlaworacle wrote...

CcDohl2 wrote...

kesayo2 wrote...
And you can hardly fault Bioware for borrowing cinematic elements from probably the best movie in the fantasy genre ever made.

Where did they rip off from Willow?

Good job, sir.

Seriously, LotR can bite hogpenis. I submit the OP is unoriginal and lazy, couldn't he find some other massive fantasy epic to bash Dragon Age about with? What about the stuff they stole from Wheel of Time? And Legend!? Hell, Tim Curry's even in the voice cast.

I admit its late (00:47 in uk) and I am bored, but I am surprised at how many fish I caught with my Trolling Fishing Rod.

Enchantment!

[LynxAQ]

Well lets be honest you just have to go onto any Fantasy Game forum and compare their game to LotR and make it out that LotR is so much more superior and the fanboys and girls are up and arms and grabbing for their pitchforks.



But in all seriousness, the cut scenes are very much like the LotR movie - nobody can deny this. Especially the deep trench one - that was almost a blatant copy paste.

[AntiChri5]

You mean two great fantasy epics are similar? OMFG!!!

[NvVanity]

LynxAQ wrote...

Well lets be honest you just have to go onto any Fantasy Game forum and compare their game to LotR and make it out that LotR is so much more superior and the fanboys and girls are up and arms and grabbing for their pitchforks.

But in all seriousness, the cut scenes are very much like the LotR movie - nobody can deny this. Especially the deep trench one - that was almost a blatant copy paste.

The one with the Archdemon landing on the bridge five feet away from you? To be honest I don't quite remember a scene like that in LotR then again it's been a while since I saw it.

[borelocin]

Very derivative troll post. Nothing innovative or original. 2/10.

[LynxAQ]

The part with Frodo / Sam / Smeagle near Minas Morgul. The witch king flies past them as they hide behind the rock (lol) and the army marches out.



Identicle almost.