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[Fauxnormal]

Sundance31us wrote...

Fauxnormal wrote...

Also, do I need to point out that Fem!Shep is trying to get Jacob to cheat on his pregnant wife-to-be with her, a woman he had sex with once and has no obligations to?

Not a great arguement for the OMG JACOB IS A HORRIBLE CHEATING CHEATER PEOPLE.

Apperantly, Fem!Shep is a selfish homewrecker.

FemShep is pushing it, but we don't know for certain Cole was pregnant yet.

Okay, to be fair, this much is true; we didn't know that. But she is pushing it in a way that makes me want to slap her.

And you notice that Jacob, that HORRIBLE CHEATING CHEATER- refuses to cheat on someone he actually does love?

[Sundance31us]

Fauxnormal wrote...
And you notice that Jacob, that HORRIBLE CHEATING CHEATER- refuses to cheat on someone he actually does love?

I'll give him that, but to FemShep's defense she doesn't have a lot of choices if she wants someone of the male gender...

• Kaidan if he's alive.
• Garrus isn't attracted to Shepard in ME2, but will do it if that's what Shepard wants.
• Thane lamenting the murder of his wife and terminally ill (in ME2 at least)

Edit: Space before first bullet point.

Modifié par Sundance31us, 19 juillet 2012 - 02:30 .

[syllogi]

Fauxnormal wrote...

When he, you know, became his own person who's life didn't revolve around femshep.

OH THE HORROR.

His "romance" in ME3 was very poorly written.  You don't have to enjoy the ME2 romance, but attempting to invalidate the feelings of those who enjoyed his romance in ME2 in order to justify the sad handling in ME3 (I guess, I'm not really sure why you made this thread, other than to argue) doesn't change the fact that it was at best, a disappointment to FemShep fans who chose his romance.

All romances are fan service in video games.  FemShep fans deserved the same level of catering that MaleShep fans got.  That's pretty much all there is to it.

[Fauxnormal]

That's not any kind of excuse. Even slightly.

[Fauxnormal]

Syll- His life didn't revolve around Femshep. There is a rational and acceptable reason behind his actions.

If you can't handle that he has a personality outside of what you the player want, then that's a tee bit sad.

[Fauxnormal]

Also, this crap about Fem!Shep getting neglected for Male!Shep is so stupid it makes me a little ashamed to say I'm female.

[Sundance31us]

Fauxnormal wrote...

Also, this crap about Fem!Shep getting neglected for Male!Shep is so stupid it makes me a little ashamed to say I'm female.

It gets a little extreme. I have some sympathy, but only play maleShep...if I'm going to look at something for hours on end I might as well enjoy it.

Do you think Shepard seduced Jacob in ME2?

[syllogi]

Fauxnormal wrote...

Syll- His life didn't revolve around Femshep. There is a rational and acceptable reason behind his actions.

If you can't handle that he has a personality outside of what you the player want, then that's a tee bit sad.

I never played out his romance, but I know people who were big fans of his during ME2, and it's sad to see them either disavow the character completely in the third game, or are just sad and disappointed.

Those who are "whining" as you put it, about the romance, are providing feedback to the developers of this game.  You don't have to agree with every bit of feedback, or care about it.  That doesn't make it invalid.

[t3HPrO]

Fauxnormal wrote...

Because I am absoutly sick of fangirls howling and moaning about this.

He. Did not. Cheat. On you.

 Femshep! And Jacob had a fling, kids. No undying declaration of love and adoration, no years of partnership, and no obligation to wait for Shepard without ever knowing if he'd even see her again.

[Ferretinabun]

Fauxnormal wrote...

When he, you know, became his own person who's life didn't revolve around femshep.

OH THE HORROR.

This is actually a good point. I certainly find it a little off-putting in games that all opposite-sex (or not) characters seem to fall at your feet at the slightest encouragement. I like characters who are unavailable or romances that don't work out - it gives the other character a more 3D personality. It's one of the reasons Samara is such an awesome 'romance option'.

That said, between him and "eye-candy" Garrus and Thane, femsheps do get a bum deal for romance options in ME2.

[Lucky Thirteen]

I just wish, just wish, the female LI for male Shepard went through the same type of story treatment.

Have like, Jack or Liara move on from Shepard, sorry it was just a fling, I got bored, other guy was more interesting than you. (Liara+Feron: deal with it, she's preggers)

Miranda or Tali dies beyond Shepard's control, sorry, sacrificing themselves for the greater good. It's been fun, lol, bye.

But nope. Only the female LI's like Thane and Jacob get treated with the so called, "realistic" story telling. Either it should have gone that way on both sides, or not at all.

The whole thing has become just a big mess of a sexism, racism, ageism, and ableism. Even when people applaud Mordin's death they say he was old and going to die anyways so it's okay. I'm sorry, but why aren't any of the young healthy people dying? It's a war, young healthy people die in wars in very large numbers. Yes even women, the precious baby makers can die during war. Well, Miranda and Tali can't make babies for male shepard, maybe they should have died because they are as "useless" to life as Thane and Mordin are.

Modifié par Lucky Thirteen, 19 juillet 2012 - 03:20 .

[BatmanPWNS]

In that case, all the romance in ME2 were fling and probably have left you now.................. oh wait!

[DineBoo]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

I just wish, just wish, the female LI for male Shepard went through the same type of story treatment.

Have like, Jack or Liara move on from Shepard, sorry it was just a fling, I got bored, other guy was more interesting than you. (Liara+Feron: deal with it, she's preggers)

Miranda or Tali dies beyond Shepard's control, sorry, sacrificing themselves for the greater good. It's been fun, lol, bye.

But nope. Only the female LI's like Thane and Jacob get treated with the so called, "realistic" story telling. Either it should have gone that way on both sides, or not at all.

This! If this happened to broShep too it probably wouldn't be as bad. But only femShep gets this "realistic" treatment and her LI choices gutted.

On top of all this, the way they had cheat AND get someone else pregnant is borderline stereotypical. They had to do this to the one of the flew identifiably black characters in the game? Why? There was no indications in ME2 that your choices for femShep would cheat on you or die on you  beyond your control.

And to add insult to injury they only add new lesbian choices for femShep and not add any new hetero choices like Vega to make up for what they took away.

Jacob not being popular enough was no excuse to gut his character like that. Especially when they could have given him the Jack treatment.

Modifié par DineBoo, 19 juillet 2012 - 03:41 .

[flippedeclipse]

Ugh, I hate replying to trolls but I'll bite this time.

Fauxnormal wrote...

Also, this crap about Fem!Shep getting neglected for Male!Shep is so stupid it makes me a little ashamed to say I'm female.

Please enlighten us as to why it's stupid. It's not possible to lock yourself out of a straight romance for MShep, but you can for FShep straight romances. Keeping in mind that the games are designed to tell an unknown story when you start ME3, how is anyone supposed to predict that if you didn't romance Garrus or you killed Kaidan at Virmire, you'll be stuck without the option to fully romance a male character? MShep, on the other hand, will always have the option to romance Liara, no matter what. Would it have been so hard to add another character and do the same courtesy for FShep players? No, seeing as we got Allers.


As for Jacob, why cheating? Why did they have to pair him with someone else? Isn't it enough to say "Shepard, I don't think you and I will work out"? Instead, Jacob's character got axed by a stereotype, which was completely unnecessary seeing as it does nothing but enforce this "desperate times" thing the writers were trying to go for, which would have been just as effective if they left it where Jacob says he cares deeply for the people he's protecting. He didn't need to be in love with one of them to care about the rest, and that would have gone much better with the type of guy he was in ME2.

Edit: Oh, and concerning it being a fling, Jacob says "Come on Shepard, did you expect me to wait forever?", which makes it pretty obvious that he's aware that he cheated. Feeling bad about cheating on someone who was just a fling makes no sense at all.

Modifié par flippedeclipse, 19 juillet 2012 - 04:08 .

[Sundance31us]

DineBoo wrote...

Lucky Thirteen wrote...
I just wish, just wish, the female LI for male Shepard went through the same type of story treatment.

This! If this happened to broShep too it probably wouldn't be as bad. But only femShep gets this "realistic" treatment and her LI choices gutted.

I suppose Liara could have taken off with Feron in LotSB, but if she did it could happen to female and male Shepard.

MaleShep loosing Tali to Garrus....I would pay for that DLC.

[Lucky Thirteen]

Sundance31us wrote...
MaleShep loosing Tali to Garrus....I would pay for that DLC.

Tali/Garrus: Sorry Shepard, it's the whole dextro thing. It'd become too much of a problem with us down the road, with all the seperation of dish washing and foods so there is no cross contamination. I'd rather be with someone I could share a meal with, without the fear of explosive diarrhea and death.

[DineBoo]

LOL!

Seriously, regarding Jacob, why couldn't they have him break up with femShep on the idea that he felt he would be too much of a distraction since the Reaper invasion is going on? He'll always care for her, but and he's not doing it lightly. but he wanted to be one less thing to worry about. He then dedicates himself to protecting valuable war assets for Shepard.

At least that's more palatable than the cheating. And a more mature turn for the relationship.

[Sundance31us]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...
Tali/Garrus: Sorry Shepard, it's the whole dextro thing. It'd become too much of a problem with us down the road, with all the seperation of dish washing and foods so there is no cross contamination. I'd rather be with someone I could share a meal with, without the fear of explosive diarrhea and death.

LOL Dumped due to dietary conflicts.

[CroGamer002]

flippedeclipse wrote...

Ugh, I hate replying to trolls but I'll bite this time.

Fauxnormal wrote...

Also, this crap about Fem!Shep getting neglected for Male!Shep is so stupid it makes me a little ashamed to say I'm female.

Please enlighten us as to why it's stupid. It's not possible to lock yourself out of a straight romance for MShep, but you can for FShep straight romances. Keeping in mind that the games are designed to tell an unknown story when you start ME3, how is anyone supposed to predict that if you didn't romance Garrus or you killed Kaidan at Virmire, you'll be stuck without the option to fully romance a male character? MShep, on the other hand, will always have the option to romance Liara, no matter what. Would it have been so hard to add another character and do the same courtesy for FShep players? No, seeing as we got Allers.


As for Jacob, why cheating? Why did they have to pair him with someone else? Isn't it enough to say "Shepard, I don't think you and I will work out"? Instead, Jacob's character got axed by a stereotype, which was completely unnecessary seeing as it does nothing but enforce this "desperate times" thing the writers were trying to go for, which would have been just as effective if they left it where Jacob says he cares deeply for the people he's protecting. He didn't need to be in love with one of them to care about the rest, and that would have gone much better with the type of guy he was in ME2.

Edit: Oh, and concerning it being a fling, Jacob says "Come on Shepard, did you expect me to wait forever?", which makes it pretty obvious that he's aware that he cheated. Feeling bad about cheating on someone who was just a fling makes no sense at all.

This.



Also, Jacob was ALWAYS honest.
He even flat out said to Illusive Man he doesn't trust him, while working for him.
And he always voiced his concern on people who are suspicious to him, because he doesn't pretend it's fine.



WHY THE F*CK WOULD BE DIFFERENT WITH ROMANCE?!

Oh right, because his character was assassinated in ME3.
Did Michael Bay wrote him?

[Chris Priestly]

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