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[RussianSpy27]

If I am correct to understand that Templars do not generally allow hooking up and mages do so more or less in secret, what happens to pregnant mages? Do mages have birth control potions or are babies forcefully taken away by Templars into some kind of a chantry day care? Thanks. 

[Sith Grey Warden]

I believe Wynne mentions that she has a son, so they are allowed to have kids.

[MichaelStuart]

I believe the child is taken away.

I would also like to know if birth control is available.

[NKKKK]

Their babies are taken away though as was Rhys from Wynne.

[berelinde]

Wynne says that it doesn't happen often. Since Anders says that in the Fereldan Circle, everybody was kissing everybody, it's probably safe to assume that they had some form of birth control. If a mage does have a baby, it's given to the chantry. Rhys in Asunder grew up in the chantry because his mother is a mage.

[Maclimes]

The Dragon Age comic (not the new one with Alistair, but the older Origins one) is about a baby born to a mage. Yes, normally the Templar take them away to be raised by the Chantry. If the baby turns out to be a mage as well, they are then given to the Circle.

[Pasquale1234]

They still haven't quite perfected that Sperm Clash spell.

[wsandista]

They have a baby.

[LobselVith8]

Gaider said the children of mages are taken away by the Chantry. Like Wynne's son. Only Grey Warden mages are e exempt from this:

David Gaider wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Yes, married or not the child of a mage is taken away by the Chantry.

Would the same happen if the mage was also a Grey Warden, such as the Warden-Commander of DA:O and Awakenings?

A mage who is not part of the Circle is not subject to the will of the Chantry. So, no.

[NKKKK]

Grey Wardens can basically do as they please so long as they follow orders. So I doubt they would interfere in Mage Warden's personal life.

[EricHVela]

Regarding Grey Warden children:
It is my understanding that Grey Wardens typically do not have children due to sterility. Some suggest that it sets in after a certain time following the joining (possibly taking a year or more) for men and possibly immediately for women. This is only based on conclusions that others have proposed in other threads.

Also, wouldn't the child be susceptible to the taint if they had a Grey Warden parent at the time of conception?

Dragon Age: Origins spoiler follows from here to the end of this response:



Since tainted people are required to kill the Archdemon to trap its spirit within them and since Morrigan's baby is supposed to capture the spirit and since the baby has a Grey Warden father, it seems to me that it is likely the taint infects the child even from the father.

[Fallstar]

ReggarBlane wrote...

Regarding Grey Warden children:
It is my understanding that Grey Wardens typically do not have children due to sterility. Some suggest that it sets in after a certain time following the joining (possibly taking a year or more) for men and possibly immediately for women. This is only based on conclusions that others have proposed in other threads.

Also, wouldn't the child be susceptible to the taint if they had a Grey Warden parent at the time of conception?

Dragon Age: Origins spoiler follows from here to the end of this response:



Since tainted people are required to kill the Archdemon to trap its spirit within them and since Morrigan's baby is supposed to capture the spirit and since the baby has a Grey Warden father, it seems to me that it is likely the taint infects the child even from the father.

Spoilers n stuff for The Calling novel:



In The Calling we find out that Fiona (the grand enchanter and grey warden) is Alistair's mother. So grey wardens can conceive. And since in Origins Alistair tells us 'only one died in my joining' or words to that effect, he did have to go through the joining. So it seems unlikely that the taint is passed on to the child.

Although I guess it could still be passed on from the father. 

Modifié par DuskWarden, 19 juillet 2012 - 04:34 .

[PsychoBlonde]

MichaelStuart wrote...

I believe the child is taken away.

I would also like to know if birth control is available.

The child is (generally) taken away--although this may vary from Circle to Circle, and there is birth control (at least for mages) but sometimes they forget or don't implement it properly.  Or don't care.  Kinda like real life.

[Fredward]

They are forced to watch as the templar's eat the unborn fetus.

-cough- Not really. I've been reading too much Prince of Nothing books lately. They just get taken away and given to the Chantry, if they show magical potential they get to go to some Circle. I'm assuming a different one than the one their parent(s) are in.

[Maclimes]

DuskWarden wrote...

Spoilers n stuff for The Calling novel:


In The Calling we find out that Fiona (the grand enchanter and grey warden) is Alistair's mother. So grey wardens can conceive. And since in Origins Alistair tells us 'only one died in my joining' or words to that effect, he did have to go through the joining. So it seems unlikely that the taint is passed on to the child.

Although I guess it could still be passed on from the father. 

Not neccessarily ... We find out that Maric and Fiona have a child together. There is no mention or guarantee that the child is Alistair. It very well COULD be, but it is left open to interpretation (Implying there might instead be another half-sibling of Alistair and Cailan out there somewhere). So all of the assumed ramifications of that are only potential speculation based on another potential speculation.

[mopotter]

DuskWarden wrote...

ReggarBlane wrote...

Regarding Grey Warden children:
It is my understanding that Grey Wardens typically do not have children due to sterility. Some suggest that it sets in after a certain time following the joining (possibly taking a year or more) for men and possibly immediately for women. This is only based on conclusions that others have proposed in other threads.

Also, wouldn't the child be susceptible to the taint if they had a Grey Warden parent at the time of conception?

Dragon Age: Origins spoiler follows from here to the end of this response:



Since tainted people are required to kill the Archdemon to trap its spirit within them and since Morrigan's baby is supposed to capture the spirit and since the baby has a Grey Warden father, it seems to me that it is likely the taint infects the child even from the father.

Spoilers n stuff for The Calling novel:



In The Calling we find out that Fiona (the grand enchanter and grey warden) is Alistair's mother. So grey wardens can conceive. And since in Origins Alistair tells us 'only one died in my joining' or words to that effect, he did have to go through the joining. So it seems unlikely that the taint is passed on to the child.

Although I guess it could still be passed on from the father. 

Did BioWare or DG ever actually admit that Fiona was Alistair's mother?  It' s not stated in the book.

[hoorayforicecream]

Fiona isn't Alistair's mother. Alistair has a sister, and Fiona only had one child with Maric.

[Fredward]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Fiona isn't Alistair's mother. Alistair has a sister, and Fiona only had one child with Maric.

-blink- Ever heard of this funny thing called half-siblings? 

[leighzard]

Fiona is totally Alistair's mom. They conceal Alistair's origins from him so he grows up more or less "normal."  Fiona wants Alistair to believe his mother is human, and is dead. Goldana's mom just happens to fit the bill. She dies in childbirth (probably not even with Maric's child, but they spread the rumor) and voila! Alistair has a sister. He's raised away from court by Arl Eamon and Duncan checks in on him, eventually pulling him out of the Chantry when the Templar thing doesn't work out for him and recruits him for the Wardens.

At least that's what I believe. Of course, none of this is actually confirmed. Speculation for everyone!

Modifié par leborum, 20 juillet 2012 - 05:43 .

[hoorayforicecream]

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Fiona isn't Alistair's mother. Alistair has a sister, and Fiona only had one child with Maric.

-blink- Ever heard of this funny thing called half-siblings? 

Edit: Retracted. I need to go back and look at the text.

In any case, Gaider was actually asked about this before DA2 came out at PAX, and he confirmed that Alistair is not Fiona's. Alistair and Cailan have a third half-brother who hasn't yet been introduced as such.

Modifié par hoorayforicecream, 20 juillet 2012 - 06:03 .

[leighzard]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Fiona isn't Alistair's mother. Alistair has a sister, and Fiona only had one child with Maric.

-blink- Ever heard of this funny thing called half-siblings? 

Yes, and they're usually referred to as half-sibling, the way Alistair referred to Cailan, and not sibling. In any case, Gaider was actually asked about this before DA2 came out at PAX, and he confirmed that Alistair is not Fiona's. Alistair and Cailan have a third half-brother who hasn't yet been introduced as such.

Wait, wut?  Goldana tells Alistair, "your royal father forced himself on my mother," making her Alistair's half-sister.

I hadn't seen or heard about that PAX thing, though.  Is there a link?  Because I suppose that might change my opinion.  But then again, things have been known to shift slightly from time to time in BioWare's universes.

[hoorayforicecream]

leborum wrote...

Wait, wut?  Goldana tells Alistair, "your royal father forced himself on my mother," making her Alistair's half-sister.

I hadn't seen or heard about that PAX thing, though.  Is there a link?  Because I suppose that might change my opinion.  But then again, things have been known to shift slightly from time to time in BioWare's universes.

I reviewed the conversation. Alistair also says "Our mother? She worked as a servant in Redcliffe Castle a long time ago before she died." So basically, they'd have to have lied to Alistair about his parentage as a child, then lied to him again when he found out who his father was. It seems a little far fetched they'd go that far to hide who his parentage is, especially when they've got no reason to protect Fiona's identity.

Edit: Plus, I don't think Goldanna is Maric's daughter. If she was, wouldn't she have had some claim to the throne herself? Pretty sure that the Arl would mention it if that were the case. If she's not, then her only connection to Alistair would be via the mother... which would mean that if Alistair's mother was Fiona, then there's no connection to Goldanna at all, and the whole thing was pointless.

Which would be even more silly.

Further edit: So... in order for Alistair to be Fiona's son, here's what needed to have happened.

1. Goldanna's mother at Redcliffe is pregnant with somebody's child. She gives birth and dies.
2. Goldanna believes her mother had the king's child, was told the child died with the mother, and then was paid off to keep quiet.
3. Alistair is told he is this serving woman's son, and that he has a sister, that he is Maric's son, when in actuality, only the part about being Maric's son is true and actually has no relation to the serving woman or Goldanna.

I guess the real question would be why they'd go to such lengths to invent such an elaborate fake backstory for Alistair, when they could simply tell him that his mother abandoned him. Why involve the serving woman's family at all if Alistair had no relation at all with them? And if the serving woman did have a child with Maric, where did it go? If it died, why have such an elaborate ruse to replace one bastard with another?

Modifié par hoorayforicecream, 20 juillet 2012 - 06:35 .

[leighzard]

I don't think they lied to him about being Maric's son. I got the impression he knew at a fairly young age, before Isolde had him sent to the Chantry at any rate (just my feeling though). He grew up at Redcliffe protected by Arl Eamon because he belonged to Maric, they just used Goldana's mom as a convenient excuse for him to be there. So in this scenario he wouldn't be related to Goldana at all. And the point of it would be. because that's what Fiona asked Maric to do.

Anyway, if Gaider really did say that Alistair isn't Fiona's son, I'm sure it'll come up eventually. Alistair's got the Silent Grove going on and Fiona turned up in Asunder, having left the Grey Wardens to be the First Enchanter of the world (or maybe just Orlais). Until then, though, I'm sticking to my conspiracy theory.

Man, Fiona really couldn't get a fair shake with the pregnancy thing since both circle mages and grey wardens give up any children they conceive.

[The Hierophant]

leborum wrote...

I don't think they lied to him about being Maric's son. I got the impression he knew at a fairly young age, before Isolde had him sent to the Chantry at any rate (just my feeling though). He grew up at Redcliffe protected by Arl Eamon because he belonged to Maric, they just used Goldana's mom as a convenient excuse for him to be there. So in this scenario he wouldn't be related to Goldana at all. And the point of it would be. because that's what Fiona asked Maric to do.

Anyway, if Gaider really did say that Alistair isn't Fiona's son, I'm sure it'll come up eventually. Alistair's got the Silent Grove going on and Fiona turned up in Asunder, having left the Grey Wardens to be the First Enchanter of the world (or maybe just Orlais). Until then, though, I'm sticking to my conspiracy theory.

Man, Fiona really couldn't get a fair shake with the pregnancy thing since both circle mages and grey wardens give up any children they conceive.

How in the fruit loops did she survive for so long without succumbing to The Calling?

[FenrirBlackDragon]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Fiona isn't Alistair's mother. Alistair has a sister, and Fiona only had one child with Maric.

-blink- Ever heard of this funny thing called half-siblings? 

Edit: Retracted. I need to go back and look at the text.

In any case, Gaider was actually asked about this before DA2 came out at PAX, and he confirmed that Alistair is not Fiona's. Alistair and Cailan have a third half-brother who hasn't yet been introduced as such.

I was inclined to think Alistair is Fiona's son, but if this is true... possible DA3 companion perhaps?