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[leighzard]

The Hierophant wrote...

How in the fruit loops did she survive for so long without succumbing to The Calling?[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/pouty.png[/smilie]

I
have no freakin clue, because Duncan was starting to think it was near
Calling time in DA:O as reported by Alistair, and Fiona's been a Grey
Warden slightly longer.  In The Calling she got all tainted from
being in such close proximity the darkspawn, but then someone
recovered.  Maybe it's like cow pox and now she's immune? Cause Asunder is at least 10  years later.  Your guess is as good as mine, man.

FenrirBlackDragon wrote...
I was inclined to think Alistair is Fiona's son, but if this is true... possible DA3 companion perhaps?

Alistair's half-brother for DA3?  Yes, please!

[The Hierophant]

leborum wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

How in the fruit loops did she survive for so long without succumbing to The Calling?[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/pouty.png[/smilie]

I
have no freakin clue, because Duncan was starting to think it was near
Calling time in DA:O as reported by Alistair, and Fiona's been a Grey
Warden slightly longer.  In The Calling she got all tainted from
being in such close proximity the darkspawn, but then someone
recovered.  Maybe it's like cow pox and now she's immune? Cause Asunder is at least 10  years later.  Your guess is as good as mine, man.

It's possible that she used blood magic to prolongue her life like Avernus. I wonder when she learned and how long she had it though, can you imagine the melodrama if she used it to seduce Maric?

[Gibb_Shepard]

It says at the end of the calling that Fiona may never succumb to the taint. Can't remember why though.

And DG has never confirmed that Alistair is/is not Fiona's son, so people should stop proclaiming that. I strongly believe that Alistair is Fiona's son, and hope that Da3 gives us an answer.

[mopotter]

I've never thought Alistair was Fiona's son, but if DG every actually tells us, I would't be upset if he were. I agree, I hope DA3 does give the answer.

I'm inclined to agree with hoorayforicecream that it's a bit convoluted plan replacing one baby with another, though it's possible the baby could have died at birth or been killed, I just find it a little over the top. Much simpler to have Fiona's son placed with a family. He could even be a mage, Fiona was.

[TEWR]

Fiona was cured of the taint within her system.

Regarding pregnant mages, the Chantry will let them birth the child but then take it away once it's born.

Wynne tells you all this, as did David Gaider in the past.

ReggarBlane wrote...

It is my understanding that Grey Wardens typically do not have children due to sterility

Incorrect. They're less likely to have a child with non-Wardens, and are unable to conceive a child through natural means with other Wardens.

Magic however can help conceive a child, as the DR and a DG post tell us.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 21 juillet 2012 - 04:58 .

[The Hierophant]

*A what-if scenario*

"Blood magic?! How could you Fiona, I trusted you?!" exclaimed Maric with pursed lips while his hair fluttered in

the wind.

Raising her hand to caress Maric's face "But my love i di... " Turning his head dismissively as to avoid her

touch. "Not only did you violate my body that day, you violated my mind." 

"I-i will accept whatever punishment you see fit." whimpered Fiona as tears streamed down her cheeks. Maric

wiped away her tears, and tilted her chin upwards until their eyes met. "Meet me tonight in my tent. I hope you're

prepared to stay up until the breaking of dawn?" Maric said seductively as their lips pressed together. Their

tongues locked in mortal kombat like two ogres scuffling over a dead halla.

"Aawww, how wonderful!" gushed Leiliana.

"Humans are strange. When we Qunari want to mate we state our intent directly, and do it." asserted sten. 

"Hehehehe, Hot." Oghren said wryly.

The Warden: 

Hawke: *being irrelevant*

Parting the two love birds "Maker help us! We have to broker peace between the templars and mages, so there's

no time to be making kissy faces." Alistair said agitatedly.
Maric & Fiona: 

*Stephenie Meyer eat your heart*

Modifié par The Hierophant, 21 juillet 2012 - 05:19 .

[elfdwarf]

she has no taint because archtect spells interesting side effect

[The Hierophant]

elfdwarf wrote...

she has no taint because archtect spells interesting side effect

So killing the architect was not a good idea then?

[nightscrawl]

RussianSpy27 wrote...

Do mages have birth control potions or are babies forcefully taken away by Templars into some kind of a chantry day care?

Bingo.

[nightscrawl]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

In any case, Gaider was actually asked about this before DA2 came out at PAX, and he confirmed that Alistair is not Fiona's. Alistair and Cailan have a third half-brother who hasn't yet been introduced as such.

Linking a source for this would be really swell. As far as I know, he's always been intentionally vague about the whole thing. I keep a collection of DG (and others) quotes for sourcing on forums, it would be another for my list.

Modifié par nightscrawl, 21 juillet 2012 - 10:36 .

[mopotter]

nightscrawl wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...

In any case, Gaider was actually asked about this before DA2 came out at PAX, and he confirmed that Alistair is not Fiona's. Alistair and Cailan have a third half-brother who hasn't yet been introduced as such.

Linking a source for this would be really swell. As far as I know, he's always been intentionally vague about the whole thing. I keep a collection of DG (and others) quotes for sourcing on forums, it would be another for my list.

I also don't remember him being definite about it.  I swear, sometimes I think they get a kick out of seeing everyone disagree on what's the real answer.  

[leighzard]

mopotter wrote...

I also don't remember him being definite about it.  I swear, sometimes I think they get a kick out of seeing everyone disagree on what's the real answer.  

Oh without a doubt.   I'm pretty sure Gaider intentionally sews dissent in the ranks just to watch what happens.

[mopotter]

leborum wrote...

mopotter wrote...

I also don't remember him being definite about it.  I swear, sometimes I think they get a kick out of seeing everyone disagree on what's the real answer.  

Oh without a doubt.   I'm pretty sure Gaider intentionally sews dissent in the ranks just to watch what happens.

They probably have bets going.  And popcorn.

[MKDAWUSS]

What about the Chantry priests?

[David Gaider]

RussianSpy27 wrote...
If I am correct to understand that Templars do not generally allow hooking up and mages do so more or less in secret, what happens to pregnant mages? Do mages have birth control potions or are babies forcefully taken away by Templars into some kind of a chantry day care? Thanks. 

I think this has been answered elsewhere in the thread, but to reiterate: pregnant mages in the Circle are secluded, and then their children raised in a Chantry orphanage.

[elfdwarf]

David Gaider wrote...

RussianSpy27 wrote...
If I am correct to understand that Templars do not generally allow hooking up and mages do so more or less in secret, what happens to pregnant mages? Do mages have birth control potions or are babies forcefully taken away by Templars into some kind of a chantry day care? Thanks. 

I think this has been answered elsewhere in the thread, but to reiterate: pregnant mages in the Circle are secluded, and then their children raised in a Chantry orphanage.

it would be cool background for main character next game 

[LolaLei]

David Gaider wrote...

RussianSpy27 wrote...
If I am correct to understand that Templars do not generally allow hooking up and mages do so more or less in secret, what happens to pregnant mages? Do mages have birth control potions or are babies forcefully taken away by Templars into some kind of a chantry day care? Thanks. 

I think this has been answered elsewhere in the thread, but to reiterate: pregnant mages in the Circle are secluded, and then their children raised in a Chantry orphanage.

Do non-mage orphans also get put into the Chantry orphanage too?

[LolaLei]

elfdwarf wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

RussianSpy27 wrote...
If I am correct to understand that Templars do not generally allow hooking up and mages do so more or less in secret, what happens to pregnant mages? Do mages have birth control potions or are babies forcefully taken away by Templars into some kind of a chantry day care? Thanks. 

I think this has been answered elsewhere in the thread, but to reiterate: pregnant mages in the Circle are secluded, and then their children raised in a Chantry orphanage.

it would be cool background for main character next game 

Oooo that would be cool! Or a traveler/nomad/gypsy with no emotional ties to any part of Thedas.

[RussianSpy27]

David Gaider wrote...

RussianSpy27 wrote...
If I am correct to understand that Templars do not generally allow hooking up and mages do so more or less in secret, what happens to pregnant mages? Do mages have birth control potions or are babies forcefully taken away by Templars into some kind of a chantry day care? Thanks. 

I think this has been answered elsewhere in the thread, but to reiterate: pregnant mages in the Circle are secluded, and then their children raised in a Chantry orphanage.

Thanks Mr. Gaider! I've just read something to this effect in your Assunder novel. PLEASE PLEASE tell the fans that you're writing more novels. They're INCREDIBLE!

[leighzard]

LolaLei wrote...

Do non-mage orphans also get put into the Chantry orphanage too?

  I would assume so.  I haven't heard of any orphanages run by any other charitable organizations.  Except for that really creepy abandoned orphanage in the Denerim alienage. 

[LobselVith8]

leborum wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Do non-mage orphans also get put into the Chantry orphanage too?

  I would assume so.  I haven't heard of any orphanages run by any other charitable organizations.  Except for that really creepy abandoned orphanage in the Denerim alienage. 

That was an orphanage for elven children that was "purged" with the rest of the Alienage.

[Fallstar]

David Gaider wrote...

RussianSpy27 wrote...
If I am correct to understand that Templars do not generally allow hooking up and mages do so more or less in secret, what happens to pregnant mages? Do mages have birth control potions or are babies forcefully taken away by Templars into some kind of a chantry day care? Thanks. 

I think this has been answered elsewhere in the thread, but to reiterate: pregnant mages in the Circle are secluded, and then their children raised in a Chantry orphanage.

Did you confirm that Fiona isn't Alistairs mother?

Also, I can see why they'd lie to Alistair about his mother. One, she is a grey warden who will die relatively soon. Perhaps she would rather Alistair think she is dead from the beginning, rather than go through the pain of losing his mother whilst still young.

Two, Fiona is a mage. Although Alistair wasn't the one prepared to take the throne, there was always a possibility that Cailan would die and Ferelden would need another heir, something Loghain if not Maric would have seen and thought about. Having it known that Alistair's mother was a mage could weaken his claim if the time came, as people might think he would be kind to mages, and since "Magic was made to serve man, never to rule over him" that wouldn't be a good thing. Far better to let him think that his mother was a maid who died in childbirth eh, just in case.

[Dragoonlordz]

If a tranquil mage has a baby is the baby born tranquil? Zombie babies take over the world.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 26 juillet 2012 - 04:16 .

[Get Magna Carter]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

..snip..

Further edit: So... in order for Alistair to be Fiona's son, here's what needed to have happened.

1. Goldanna's mother at Redcliffe is pregnant with somebody's child. She gives birth and dies.
2. Goldanna believes her mother had the king's child, was told the child died with the mother, and then was paid off to keep quiet.
3. Alistair is told he is this serving woman's son, and that he has a sister, that he is Maric's son, when in actuality, only the part about being Maric's son is true and actually has no relation to the serving woman or Goldanna.

I guess the real question would be why they'd go to such lengths to invent such an elaborate fake backstory for Alistair, when they could simply tell him that his mother abandoned him. Why involve the serving woman's family at all if Alistair had no relation at all with them? And if the serving woman did have a child with Maric, where did it go? If it died, why have such an elaborate ruse to replace one bastard with another?

I may be completeely wrong but I believe..
Maric only had 2 children - Alistair was the son of Maric and Fiona
Because of the dangers of the world (Darkspawn, Orlesian plots, etc) there was a decision to keep Alistair as a secret reserve heir
But while an illegitimate son may inherit (if no legitimate heirs exist) a "half-elf" would never be accepted (racism) as a king so as a second level of secrecty they pretended that a (recently-died) female palace servant (Goldana's mother) was Alistair's mother (as there would be some questions if a second son appeared as to who the mother was) -Alistair was told the lie (and not the truth) so he could honestly repeat it (and not carelessly reveal the identity of his true mother) and revealed it to Goldanna on meeting her.
While not much is known about Goldanna's mother - it is quite possible that she was pregnant (with her husband's child) and both she and child died in childbirth
Edit- checked the book.  Fiona requested her child be kept away from the intrigues of court and not know about his elven ancestry so a dead human woman was chosen to be her son's "official" mother.  It is quite possible that the child is Alistair, the dead woman if Goldanna's mother (Occam's razer says go for the simplest explanation) .  It is likely that Goldanna's mother never had a fling with Maric and Goldanna was responding to what Alistair had just said (and had no idea about such a possibility before Alistair had said it to her). 

Modifié par Get Magna Carter, 04 août 2012 - 05:56 .

[rapscallioness]

ReggarBlane wrote...

Regarding Grey Warden children:
It is my understanding that Grey Wardens typically do not have children due to sterility. Some suggest that it sets in after a certain time following the joining (possibly taking a year or more) for men and possibly immediately for women. This is only based on conclusions that others have proposed in other threads.

Also, wouldn't the child be susceptible to the taint if they had a Grey Warden parent at the time of conception?

Dragon Age: Origins spoiler follows from here to the end of this response:



Since tainted people are required to kill the Archdemon to trap its spirit within them and since Morrigan's baby is supposed to capture the spirit and since the baby has a Grey Warden father, it seems to me that it is likely the taint infects the child even from the father.

heh. heh. you know I remember in one DA:O playthru there's that glitch I'm sure you guys know of. Somethig about a dwarf and a noble birth...somethinng.

Anyway, I didn't know, you understand. So, this thing pops up that my Warden somehow denied her child the chance of a noble birth. Her son was a bastard!

Mind you, this was right after I got with Alistair. And I didn't know it was a glitch. I was like, "What?!? Oh, my God. My Warden is pregnant? And it's a bastard? And I'm out fighting ogres...*sob. sob* and I'm pregnant. And Alistatir won't recognize me or the baby. And...soooobbbb.

Lmao. That was just wrong. That was one crazy glitch. Not cool, BW. Not cool.

Modifié par rapscallioness, 29 juillet 2012 - 01:11 .