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[Thor Rand Al]

I know I'm gonna get a lot of flack for this post but welp here goes lol... Alistair has got to be the biggest wimp I've ever come across for playing a game... The servant at the beginning in the Cousland attack has more guts then Alistair lol... (By the way before I get yelled at by a lot of ladies because I'm dissin Alistair, I'm one myself lmao.)  Don't get me wrong I love the sweet sensitive kind of guy but my gosh does he even have a backbone. Reason I'm saying all this is because of a conversation between him n Shale.

Shale: I find it very odd.
Alistair: "It" meaning me? Am I an "it", now, too? I feel honored.
Shale: For one who professes to be a warrior, I find it remarkably weak-willed and indecisive.
Alistair: Er... thank you?
Shale: It also like to hide its many weakness behind a veil of jocularity.
Alistair: For a statue, you know a lot of big words.
Shale: is there a reason it enjoys following others so much?  Especially when it is in a position to lead.
Alistair: Have you ever been responsible for someone else's life? Or a lot of other lives? Or an entire nation?
Shale: Of course not.
Alistair: Then... shut... up.
Shale: I will remember this moment when the birds come.


N it's not just this convo but there are other's that he has that he sounds like a gutless whinny lil boy.  And this is who were suppose to put on the throne.  Ya you have the option to harden him up but it doesn't really change his dialogue much.  Don't get me wrong I love Alistair but dang couldn't he of been made with just a little bit of backbone, he's suppose to be a Templar and a Grey Warden for petes sake and not to mention the heir to the throne lol.  Pretty sad when your other party members think the same thing lol.  But it sounds like Cailan might of been the same way too, especially if Anora was the true ruler... Poor Maric had two sons that didn't know how to be men lol...  He must be rolling in his grave of shame. 

Please be gentle in your criticism   lmao

[Bibdy]

Alistair's about as responsible as the main characters' bunion in what's going on in the game world. What a liar!

[LynxAQ]

I liked at the start on my first few playthroughs, but I dislike him now. Makes me satisfied to have him in my party at -100 rep and do everything opposite to what he wants and then at the landsmeet I have him executed and I say "Its about time". I am not going to disagree, hes a coward and a wimp. Pity I didnt get a cut scene with his head getting chopped off would of been awesome.

[The Angry One]

Yeah he's a wimp because he doesn't like the idea of being responsible for people's lives and deaths.

It turns out not everybody is going to be the instant hero, especially not someone who's had his self-esteem smashed so many times like Alistair.



This whole alpha male attitude is really getting on my nerves.

[PinkShira]

I don't think not wanting to lead is the same as being a wimp. I don't see him running away from the darkspawn... as a matter of fact he will take the final blow and sacrifice himself. I don't consider that a wimp. Now as to him not being a leader, well, I prefer the ending where I don't make him a king. He doesn't want to be the king so why shove him on the throne?

[syllogi]

mmm-hmm okay. All I gotta say is...

[Rainen89]

So...much...win...*dies*

On a side note, yes not everyone is zomg amazing and is fine leading people to their deaths, ruling over an entire nation and saving the world from an archdemon and not blinking an eye. Alistair having reserves about it only supports to his backstory. The hated bastard son of the loved king who's only real father figure died and the other one sent him to the chantry where he was shunned further.

[Thiefy]

Alistair is just more honest than most people. There are several people who would feel the same way in his position but try to cover it up or fake it, and then have a crazy break down when sh*t hits the fan.

[Ulicus]

If Alistair's a wimp, then I'm less than dirt. I can't remember the last time I beat the **** out of an ogre.

[thenemesis77]

Alistair is not a wimp, he is just a baby and crys if you don't do what he thinks is best but yet he does not want to be a leader, King I might add and that just really says...wimp. lol

[Rainen89]

It's not being a whimp to not want a huge tremendous load of responsibilty dumped on you all at once, especially when you've gone through life not expecting to have it, and being told you don't deserve it. It's being human.

[ozenglish]

Ahhhh Shale and his bird thing... Um.. I mean it is not a thing.. it is more of a complex :-) Yes Allistair can be reather whimpy, but I have heard him shoot down Morrigan once or twice in a conversation.

Edit. yes, and by whimpy, I mean him not standing up for himself. Personally, I would not want too much responsibility, but I will also tell someone who wants me to do something I don't to sod off. So that is just me... but yeah, Allistair is pretty damned efficient with that shield bash, so no, he is not whimpy when it comes to combat or being a good mate, he just needs to stand up for himself. And honestly, I actually think he is more like me than I care to admit at times lol.

Modifié par ozenglish, 18 décembre 2009 - 12:39 .

[SarEnyaDor]

No cookies for you - EVER!

[ozenglish]

SarEnyaDor wrote...

No cookies for you - EVER!

read my edit first lol. and please, can you make those cookies without dairy, they hurt my tummy lots. lol

[westiex9]

Allistair has reservations about being forced into a role that would force him to make decisions that would affect a whole nation, he has been treated like a worthless bastard-child his whole life and so its not surprising he would feel uneasy about leadership.



And yet when he is given the proper encouragement and support not only does he rise to the occasion he leads the armies of ferelden in the final battle against the blight. My advice watch him more closely as you playthrough and it will become apparent how much he changes as the game progresses

[DPSSOC]

Thor Rand Al wrote...

I know I'm gonna get a lot of flack for this post but welp here goes lol... Alistair has got to be the biggest wimp I've ever come across for playing a game... The servant at the beginning in the Cousland attack has more guts then Alistair lol... (By the way before I get yelled at by a lot of ladies because I'm dissin Alistair, I'm one myself lmao.)  Don't get me wrong I love the sweet sensitive kind of guy but my gosh does he even have a backbone. Reason I'm saying all this is because of a conversation between him n Shale.

Shale: I find it very odd.
Alistair: "It" meaning me? Am I an "it", now, too? I feel honored.
Shale: For one who professes to be a warrior, I find it remarkably weak-willed and indecisive.
Alistair: Er... thank you?
Shale: It also like to hide its many weakness behind a veil of jocularity.
Alistair: For a statue, you know a lot of big words.
Shale: is there a reason it enjoys following others so much?  Especially when it is in a position to lead.
Alistair: Have you ever been responsible for someone else's life? Or a lot of other lives? Or an entire nation?
Shale: Of course not.
Alistair: Then... shut... up.
Shale: I will remember this moment when the birds come.

I don't know telling Shale to shut up takes balls.

[SarEnyaDor]

ozenglish wrote...

SarEnyaDor wrote...

No cookies for you - EVER!

read my edit first lol. and please, can you make those cookies without dairy, they hurt my tummy lots. lol

No, no, sorry, that was for OP - but I do heartily disagree with the idea that he is wimpy at all.

He just doesn't WANT to lead, not that he is incapable or shirks his duty in any way. I wouldn't want to be in charge if I had a choice, either, but if I had to i would, as would Alistair. He is honest.

Modifié par SarEnyaDor, 18 décembre 2009 - 12:43 .

[pudi0072000]

He's a wimp because he doesn't want innocent people's deaths on his hands? And he tells Morrigan back in Lothering that he doesn't like leading, ergo his deferring to your judgment - if he doesn't agree with you, he speaks up, but I suppose he feels he should respect the person he put in charge. Maybe he could do with a little more backbone to take a stand more often (which is why I prefer to harden him) but he's not a wimp. He'll gladly slay the archdemon and face down other dragons and ogres and think nothing of it. I'd think if he were truly a wimp he would silently stew and hate you for your choices but never tell you he disagreed until it was too late.

[tmp7704]

Ehh i think Alistair makes a decent point in that conversation. Shale is mouthing off about something she has no clue about. Armchair quarterbacking is easy since it doesn't mean actually taking responsibility for anything.

[Basher of Glory]

Alistair is more honest as the most people are.
Give some scumbag a chance to become "boss" of whatever, he'll voraciously grab this chance, not asking himself a single time "am I able to lead others".
Alistair certainly has a misperception of himself and must grow with the different tasks of the main quests, lead by the (hopefully) strong PC.
This is Alistair's chance to grow in confidence and as far as I can see, he confronts the challenge.
Additionally he thinks about the feedback he gets from the PC in a very self-critical way and comes to new conclusions. This is a sign of strength, which virtually qualifies him for being a good leader: He can learn, he is aware of his weaknesses and becomes able to recognize his strong sides.

Most people on this earth would reject "negative" feedback without thinking about it for a second. As I said before, the same people, who refuse to think about other person's viewpoints and thus will never improve, the very same people would not hesitate an instant to become "leader", just having the privileges in mind but never the duties.

Modifié par Baher of Glory, 18 décembre 2009 - 12:54 .

[Thyrza]

Alistair has to be a wimp because if the PC is limited to following his orders, this wouldn't be much of a game. Unless, I suppose, he constantly gives orders like "Freeman will go investigate that strange noise. I'll stay here and protect the rear."

[thegreateski]

You see. . . there's being a wimp and then there's being smart.

[LynxAQ]

I disagree Baher of Glory. Alistair is a very delusioned person who seems to be very clingy. He is like getting chewing gum in your hair, you just cant get rid of it. He seems to act like Grey Wardens are honourable etc, but they not. Grey Wardens do and recruit anything it takes to win. Duncan makes this abundantly clear yet Alistair is first person to jump ship when you want to put Loghain through the joining.



Not to mention he cries and whinges the whole time about not wanting to be king and then at the moment you wont execute Loghain, suddenly he wants to be king for his own vengeance. Wimpy and out for himself imo. Off with his head!



I would of settled with a hanging... pity we dont get to see him die. Would of been satisfying. At least I get to say "Its abou time." when Anora calls for his execution.



What amazes me about that scene is that he acts surprised with me when almost the entire time he has been in my party I have had him at -100 rep and always done everything he disagrees with, now suddenly hes surprised... odd.

[Hound of Culain]

PinkShira wrote...

I don't think not wanting to lead is the same as being a wimp.

Yeah. There seem to be a lot of people around who think "Strong-willed and Courageous" = "Likes telling other people what to do". Truth is, Alistair's not a leader, but he's not a pushover either, as the Landsmeet shows. Sure, that incident along with a few other things also shows that he's somewhat immature, and because he's so open he sometimes lets that immaturity show to everyone.

But people who say he's a wimp just because he recognises someone else who's better to lead, and he's whiny because if you ask him how he is, he tells you, seem to be using a strange paradigm to judge other people.

[LynxAQ]

Hound of Culain wrote...

PinkShira wrote...

I don't think not wanting to lead is the same as being a wimp.

Yeah. There seem to be a lot of people around who think "Strong-willed and Courageous" = "Likes telling other people what to do". Truth is, Alistair's not a leader, but he's not a pushover either, as the Landsmeet shows. Sure, that incident along with a few other things also shows that he's somewhat immature, and because he's so open he sometimes lets that immaturity show to everyone.

But people who say he's a wimp just because he recognises someone else who's better to lead, and he's whiny because if you ask him how he is, he tells you, seem to be using a strange paradigm to judge other people.

Landsmeet does nothing but expose Alistair for what he really is. A coward with dis-illusioned view on Grey Wardens, and only out for his personal vengeance. He even suddenly wants the crown if you refuse to kill Loghain just so he can have Loghain executed. No other reason.

Tho tbh, considering the very cringeworthy Anora charge speech, I am starting to reconsider just keeping Alistair alive and killing Loghain these days. That speech is aweful... when Anora does it. I cringed.