223 réponses à ce sujet

[kormesios]

sleepy__head wrote...

Actually, as a general rule, those who don't seek powers are FAR more suitable for it than those who actively court it.

Sadly, that's not true as a general rule.  People who seek authority can be good or bad at wielding it, and pure, naked ambition is a warning sign.  But competent follower types who don't want power usually stay "nice guys", but often do poorly at the job they didn't want.
Speaking as a scientist with plenty of experience seeing both the ambitious and unambitious who get moved to management, and how they do afterwards.

[DariusKalera]

kormesios wrote...

DeathWyrmNexus wrote...
As an alpha male, I agree with you. Quite irritating and no, I'm not being sarcastic. The internet tough guy squad calling Alistair a wimp galls me to no end.

I think that nails my opinion.  Not your own alpha-maleness, which I can't comment on.  The second part.
Alistair is a competent, tough, and generally loyal follower who will occasionally disagree, but overall perform whatever role you want him to, with the single exception of the Loghain execution.
Real leaders might or might not like such a person, but they do not whine about people like that.  They appreciate them.  

Not always. 

I honestly would have hated putting someone like Alistair in charge of one of my teams.  Not that he could not do the job, but that he chooses not too because he is afraid of the consequences.   If, heaven forbid, he was on his own with the people that we support, I can not see him standing up to them when the situation would call for it.  He would get ran over and told what to do instead of telling the others what he is capable of doing and what he is allowed to do.  He would defer to their leadership and instruction in order to avoid the possibility of him making a bad judgement call.   That is not a good thing. 

An individual can be strong and can be loyal, but that does not mean that they are any less of a wimp.  Though, I will admit that sometimes, it does depend on the situation.  While in one situation a person can be wimpy, in another, they can be outstanding.

 

[Drunkencelt]

I really think its immature to pigion hole any opinion of Allistar off as just "alpha male." I could easily call the defense of hims as pure fanboism since he has the most. Not everyone who likes Allistar is a fanboi though.

Sometimes I can be considered an alpha male, a leader, or a follower. Since I am about to go spend another 5 months in Iraq with the United States Air Force, I can say I know all those roles first hand. People shift in and out of them at will as the situation arises. I simply detest Allistars views and fears on this subject as someone with extensive knowledge in the field.

If you left Allistar behind in the battle of Denerim, could you in your right mind pick him to lead the remaining party members? You could make a case why every single party member except dog would be far better in that role. It is simply a lot easier to point lead down range than lead a contingent in said actions. Greatness is thrust upon many people, and most don't want it. Most stand up and accept their duties as well regardless. Allistar runs from it like the black plague.

Modifié par Drunkencelt, 18 décembre 2009 - 05:30 .

[Drunkencelt]

sleepy__head wrote...

Actually, as a general rule, those who don't seek powers are FAR more suitable for it than those who actively court it.

This is a general fantasy rule, and has very little application in real life. People who simply go with the flow and do enough get by will usualy make horrible leaders or managers. Conversely, you could say the power hungry who rise to fast with no putting in their dues/and learning said positions are usualy doomed to fail. You can't doom the middle group who also have some ambitions.

[druidofwarp]

So Alistair isn't your perfect alpha male? Guess what neither are you all, and he still faces down horrors you only see in a game.

Edit: He told Shale to shut up and she did, when does your PC do that?

Modifié par druidofwarp, 18 décembre 2009 - 06:07 .

[I ReVaNChisT I]

eh i can relate to him, i think id be as whimpy as he if i had to go through all that crap, i wouldnt wanna be responsible for an entire nation

[Basher of Glory]

LynxAQ wrote...

I disagree Baher of Glory.
...
I have had him at -100 rep

It's ok to disagree, because all these interpretations of a (virtual) person depend on one's own world view.

But perhaps you must come to your opinion about Alistair because you treated him in a dismissive way?

I had him go up the rep scale as fast as possible and had him between 90 and 100 for the most time. I'm quite sure that "my" Alistair responded to me in another way than "yours"  

[Cybercat999]

Guys calling themselves alpha males make me chuckle.

[nos_astra]

Baher of Glory wrote...

LynxAQ wrote...

I disagree Baher of Glory.
...
I have had him at -100 rep

It's ok to disagree, because all these interpretations of a (virtual) person depend on one's own world view.

But perhaps you must come to your opinion about Alistair because you treated him in a dismissive way?

I had him go up the rep scale as fast as possible and had him between 90 and 100 for the most time. I'm quite sure that "my" Alistair responded to me in another way than "yours"  

That was my impression. His personality pretty much depends on your personality. 
If need to play the badass psycho alpha male, Alistair is lost and will probably become quite annoying.

Modifié par klarabella, 18 décembre 2009 - 01:04 .

[Creature 1]

InverseReality wrote...
LoL. I agree. I mean, I think it's fine that there are people out there who want to love and adore Alistair, but personally, the character grates on my nerves. I wince, physically *wince* when he talks! Haters we may be, but I really feel like I need to vent about the complete idiocy of that (literal) royal bastard. Does anyone else think he sounds like a used car salesman?! Argh argh argh and rant rant!

I am ambivalent about Alistair, probably because he's pretty erratic.  He had a conversation with Wynn asking her to sew up a rip in one of his shirts and got quite whiny about it.  It made me want to yell "sew your own ****ing shirt!"  Probably because I'm female and have encountered the idea that having two X chromosomes makes me uniquely suited to picking up after those with one Y chromosome.  Alistair needs to sew his own shirt, and if it comes out puckered either suck it up and live with it or rip out the stitches and try again. 

[nos_astra]

Creature 1 wrote...
I am ambivalent about Alistair, probably because he's pretty erratic.  He had a conversation with Wynn asking her to sew up a rip in one of his shirts and got quite whiny about it.  It made me want to yell "sew your own ****ing shirt!"  Probably because I'm female and have encountered the idea that having two X chromosomes makes me uniquely suited to picking up after those with one Y chromosome.  Alistair needs to sew his own shirt, and if it comes out puckered either suck it up and live with it or rip out the stitches and try again. 

You take party banter this serious? Oh my, oh my.

[LdyShayna]

klarabella wrote...
That was my impression. His personality pretty much depends on your personality. 

This is pretty much the only thing I can think of that would cause these kinds of threads.

[Lotion Soronarr]

LynxAQ wrote...

I disagree Baher of Glory. Alistair is a very delusioned person who seems to be very clingy. He is like getting chewing gum in your hair, you just cant get rid of it. He seems to act like Grey Wardens are honourable etc, but they not. Grey Wardens do and recruit anything it takes to win. Duncan makes this abundantly clear yet Alistair is first person to jump ship when you want to put Loghain through the joining.

Not to mention he cries and whinges the whole time about not wanting to be king and then at the moment you wont execute Loghain, suddenly he wants to be king for his own vengeance. Wimpy and out for himself imo. Off with his head!

Load of bull****. As usual.

Not wanting to be king is wimpy? I'd like to see you try it. I'm willingto bet my balls that you'd not only crack under pressure, but ruin your kingdom within days. Pebause people like yuo show a critical lack of objectivity and thinking.

Killing Loghain has NOTHING to do with Grey Wardens. [Forget] Loghain. He's inconsequental. Killing him is not against GW credo or anything.

LdyShayna Edit: I know you're frustrated, but please try to watch the language.  Thanks.

Modifié par LdyShayna, 18 décembre 2009 - 03:24 .

[Null]

LdyShayna wrote...

klarabella wrote...
That was my impression. His personality pretty much depends on your personality. 

This is pretty much the only thing I can think of that would cause these kinds of threads.

I believe it is that...and a lot of free time.

[Kohaku]

Mueller86 wrote...

LdyShayna wrote...

klarabella wrote...
That was my impression. His personality pretty much depends on your personality. 

This is pretty much the only thing I can think of that would cause these kinds of threads.

I believe it is that...and a lot of free time.

What I find funnier is people getting bent out of shape over what others think. This thread will end up being 30 pages long before the day is out.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Alistair is smart not jumping at hte prospect of being king. Who wants that much responsibility?



Most people would jump and say "bu the power!!! WHATA FOOL!!"



Well, idiots like that usually forget to take into account that there are responsibilites that come with that. They also don't even bother to ask themselves if they're capable of filling the role.

In the end, people like that would crash and burn, and worst of all, ruin many others peoples lives in the process.

[robertthebard]

DariusKalera wrote...

kormesios wrote...

DeathWyrmNexus wrote...
As an alpha male, I agree with you. Quite irritating and no, I'm not being sarcastic. The internet tough guy squad calling Alistair a wimp galls me to no end.

I think that nails my opinion.  Not your own alpha-maleness, which I can't comment on.  The second part.
Alistair is a competent, tough, and generally loyal follower who will occasionally disagree, but overall perform whatever role you want him to, with the single exception of the Loghain execution.
Real leaders might or might not like such a person, but they do not whine about people like that.  They appreciate them.  

Not always. 

I honestly would have hated putting someone like Alistair in charge of one of my teams.  Not that he could not do the job, but that he chooses not too because he is afraid of the consequences.   If, heaven forbid, he was on his own with the people that we support, I can not see him standing up to them when the situation would call for it.  He would get ran over and told what to do instead of telling the others what he is capable of doing and what he is allowed to do.  He would defer to their leadership and instruction in order to avoid the possibility of him making a bad judgement call.   That is not a good thing. 

An individual can be strong and can be loyal, but that does not mean that they are any less of a wimp.  Though, I will admit that sometimes, it does depend on the situation.  While in one situation a person can be wimpy, in another, they can be outstanding.

 

Anybody that may disagree with this bolded part, start playing DA: O, instead of whatever other game you've been playing with Alistair in it.  This statement is affirmed by Alistair in Lothering.  It's a position that he never shies away from, unless you send Anora to the Tower, and frankly, I wonder if Eamon isn't ruling through Alistair, or the PC.  This very fact is what endears him to his fangirls, no offence, as he is malleable.  They can shape him to what they want, despite his prowess in battle.  In case anyone doubts this, the biggest complaint I have seen from the fangirls is when he breaks away from their mold and won't let them slay the Archdemon.  I have seen fanbois defend this decision as manly, but to me, it's the second most cowardly thing he does in game.  He doesn't do it out of love, he does it out of a desire to escape from his life.

[blazin130791]

I AM AN ALPHA MALE FEAR MY WRATH

[Null]

blazin130791 wrote...

I AM AN ALPHA MALE FEAR MY WRATH

Thread over.

Modifié par Mueller86, 18 décembre 2009 - 03:12 .

[Creature 1]

robertthebard wrote...
frankly, I wonder if Eamon isn't ruling through Alistair, or the PC. 

This is why my male noble is going to put him on the throne.  Just call him the puppeteer. 

Modifié par Creature 1, 18 décembre 2009 - 03:27 .

[Basher of Glory]

blazin130791 wrote...

I AM AN ALPHA MALE

Without any doubt. In elementary school, I'm certain, you are THE male alpha kid among the other six years old.

What I wonder, does every US-kid beyond the age of four or five years own a console or even a PC?

Modifié par Baher of Glory, 18 décembre 2009 - 04:17 .

[robertthebard]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Alistair is smart not jumping at hte prospect of being king. Who wants that much responsibility?

Most people would jump and say "bu the power!!! WHATA FOOL!!"

Well, idiots like that usually forget to take into account that there are responsibilites that come with that. They also don't even bother to ask themselves if they're capable of filling the role.
In the end, people like that would crash and burn, and worst of all, ruin many others peoples lives in the process.

So your goal is to save Ferelden, so long as you don't have to be responsible for anything that happens along the way?  Yet you have the audacity to call others idiots?  Of course, I am intimately familiar with your Black and White world view, and that anyone that disagrees with it is an idiot.  Apparently, you are not satisfied with your first Special Olympics trophy, and are actively pursuing another one?

Alistair is a wimp, and more, a liar and a coward.  Sure, he can swing a sword at baddies, but he doesn't have the courage to admit his heritage until he's fairly sure you're going to find out anyway, Redcliffe, and then he starts going on and on about not wanting it, not caring, etc etc.  Yet, if you ask him bluntly what would happen if you just left Ferelden, he states flat out that he won't consider it.  Except that he can, and will at the Landsmeet, depending on options taken in dialog, and whether you harden him or not.  However, this isn't even the lie that triggers he's a liar.  If you ask him prior to Redcliffe who his father is, he won't tell you.  so ice this cake however you want, but the cake itself is still made of mud.

[Squiggles1334]

Folks just gotta understand, despite being a conscripted soldier who understands his duty to battle against a world-threatening Blight, Alistair is simply by nature a lover, not a fighter.

If that is wimpy, then I don't want to be an internet tough guy!

[philippe willaume]

Squiggles1334 wrote...

Folks just gotta understand, despite being a conscripted soldier who understands his duty to battle against a world-threatening Blight, Alistair is simply by nature a lover, not a fighter.

If that is wimpy, then I don't want to be an internet tough guy!

nothing that
60 pressups
60 crunches.
60 bulgarian split squat and
5*3 minutes will not cure then.

[Herr Uhl]

Squiggles1334 wrote...

Folks just gotta understand, despite being a conscripted soldier who understands his duty to battle against a world-threatening Blight, Alistair is simply by nature a lover, not a fighter.

If that is wimpy, then I don't want to be an internet tough guy!

Yes, but in being a lover and not a fighter, he becomes kind of a whimp. He is not an "alpha male", far from it. He is indecisive and insecure, which is considered whimpy traits, please do correct me if I am wrong.

Does that make him an idiot that I hate? Nope. Would I want to be a leader? Nope.

There just seems to be a lot of standing up for Alastair as to being from a "troubled past" which made him insecure. And those people are usually the same that say that Morrigan is evil incarnate, not taking into consideration that she was raised by Flemeth for roughly 30 years. Which would give one a skewed outlook on life. Oh the irony.