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[Jerrybnsn]

NKKKK wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

NKKKK wrote...

Translation: You actually have to make a hard choice and deal with the consequences of it.

You don't have to make a choice if you already made a choice.

And that choice would be buying the DLC or not. Nothing to do with my characters actions. Are you actually defending DLC now?

ON GAWD AM I A bio-drone NOW?

No I'm not defending DLC, I adhore day one DLC, but THEY DO make an impact. You can't pretend they don't.

edit:lol bio drone is censored.

To be more specific about my issue with plot holes,

Imagine starting ME3 without playing the pay-for-DLC 'Arrival'.  Apparently, your character did something, was involved in something, that got him/her in trouble and explains why you don't have your ship, crew, and why you are in Alliance custody to stand trial.  Considering that you have been involved with the story line from the begining of the series, that's quite a huge plot hole to overcome.  This would be akin to watching Star Wars: Return of the Jedi and asking, "Why is Han Solo stuck in that strange thing on Jabba the Hut's wall and what's wrong with Luke's hand that he needs to wear a glove all the time?'

I hope that Bioware does not continue this trend of creating dlcs that bring plot holes to their future games.

[NKKKK]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

NKKKK wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

NKKKK wrote...

Translation: You actually have to make a hard choice and deal with the consequences of it.

You don't have to make a choice if you already made a choice.

And that choice would be buying the DLC or not. Nothing to do with my characters actions. Are you actually defending DLC now?

ON GAWD AM I A bio-drone NOW?

No I'm not defending DLC, I adhore day one DLC, but THEY DO make an impact. You can't pretend they don't.

edit:lol bio drone is censored.

To be more specific about my issue with plot holes,

Imagine starting ME3 without playing the pay-for-DLC 'Arrival'.  Apparently, your character did something, was involved in something, that got him/her in trouble and explains why you don't have your ship, crew, and why you are in Alliance custody to stand trial.  Considering that you have been involved with the story line from the begining of the series, that's quite a huge plot hole to overcome.  This would be akin to watching Star Wars: Return of the Jedi and asking, "Why is Han Solo stuck in that strange thing on Jabba the Hut's wall and what's wrong with Luke's hand that he needs to wear a glove all the time?'

I hope that Bioware does not continue this trend of creating dlcs that bring plot holes to their future games.

I think you summarized exactly what I was getting at.

[AkiKishi]

Even if you play Arrival you still have no clue who Vega is. You have to have read conviction to know that.

[Jerrybnsn]

Can you call it a plot hole if you feel like there is no real ending? Considering how I needed dlc to understand the begining of the game, I was upset with the ending figuring that I was going to have to wait for more dlc to explain the huge plot hole. That's when everybody's question to what happened to the ending was answered by, 'that was the ending' and its artistic.

To me, artistic endings are; watching a cowboy descend on a nuclear bomb waving his hat,

Running through an abandoned house terrified for your life and seeing one of your cast members back turned to you standing in a corner then film camera cuts out,

Watching Shane walk away to the sounds of a crying child begging him to come back.

And again, ME3 kind of scares me with the direction Bioware might be taking with its dlc and its incredibly ambiguous ending.  Their next game DA3 could be further hindered by sales because of this as well as have fewer sales just because of DA2's generally poor reception.

(should I add Charleton Heston damning everyone to hell?)

Modifié par Jerrybnsn, 20 juillet 2012 - 07:30 .

[Androme]

wsandista wrote...

Artistic Integrity?

hahahahaha

[David Gaider]

NKKKK wrote...
It's expected when you cancel the expansion pack, a big missing chunk of a game was bound to expand the story.

How is this going to be adressed in Dragon Age 3?

Is the assumption here that we would move onto a potential DA3 story, leaving the expansion's story behind as if it had already happened? Like writing two books and then just publishing the second one?

If so, then yes, that would be a silly thing to do.

Whatever future story comes to be, it will treat the end of DA2 (and the DLC's) as the jumping-off point... not the end of the cancelled expansion.

[Maria Caliban]

They've specifically said that some of the ideas from Exalted March will be rolled into DA:The Next Thing.

That said, please stop misusing the term 'plot hole.'

[addiction21]

Maria Caliban wrote...

That said, please stop misusing the term 'plot hole.'

I wish you the best of luck with making that happen.

[Tinxa]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

To be more specific about my issue with plot holes,

Imagine starting ME3 without playing the pay-for-DLC 'Arrival'.  Apparently, your character did something, was involved in something, that got him/her in trouble and explains why you don't have your ship, crew, and why you are in Alliance custody to stand trial.  Considering that you have been involved with the story line from the begining of the series, that's quite a huge plot hole to overcome.  This would be akin to watching Star Wars: Return of the Jedi and asking, "Why is Han Solo stuck in that strange thing on Jabba the Hut's wall and what's wrong with Luke's hand that he needs to wear a glove all the time?'

I hope that Bioware does not continue this trend of creating dlcs that bring plot holes to their future games.

We'll I played just the full games and never bought any of the DLC. I don't know anything about this "Arrival" and I haven't noticed anything wrong with ME3 story. It is said the alliance took you into custody and suspended you after you got back from collector base because you were working with Cerberus in ME2, they also took the Normandy and improved it. From the context I got that Vega was your guard and then ME3 story got rollin'
It made perfect sense to me *shrug*

[Fox In The Box]

addiction21 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

That said, please stop misusing the term 'plot hole.'

I wish you the best of luck with making that happen.

As well as "Mary Sue."

[PinkDiamondstl]

Canceling the DLC still was a stupid move...

Modifié par PinkDiamondstl, 24 juillet 2012 - 12:23 .

[FieryDove]

David Gaider wrote...

NKKKK wrote...
It's expected when you cancel the expansion pack, a big missing chunk of a game was bound to expand the story.

How is this going to be adressed in Dragon Age 3?

Is the assumption here that we would move onto a potential DA3 story, leaving the expansion's story behind as if it had already happened? Like writing two books and then just publishing the second one?

If so, then yes, that would be a silly thing to do.

Whatever future story comes to be, it will treat the end of DA2 (and the DLC's) as the jumping-off point... not the end of the cancelled expansion.

Oh goodie we can find out what happened to *Blank* and *Blank* that Leliana mentioned at the end of da2. Cliffhangers annoy me.

[DeathScepter]

Tinxa wrote...

Jerrybnsn wrote...

To be more specific about my issue with plot holes,

Imagine starting ME3 without playing the pay-for-DLC 'Arrival'.  Apparently, your character did something, was involved in something, that got him/her in trouble and explains why you don't have your ship, crew, and why you are in Alliance custody to stand trial.  Considering that you have been involved with the story line from the begining of the series, that's quite a huge plot hole to overcome.  This would be akin to watching Star Wars: Return of the Jedi and asking, "Why is Han Solo stuck in that strange thing on Jabba the Hut's wall and what's wrong with Luke's hand that he needs to wear a glove all the time?'

I hope that Bioware does not continue this trend of creating dlcs that bring plot holes to their future games.

We'll I played just the full games and never bought any of the DLC. I don't know anything about this "Arrival" and I haven't noticed anything wrong with ME3 story. It is said the alliance took you into custody and suspended you after you got back from collector base because you were working with Cerberus in ME2, they also took the Normandy and improved it. From the context I got that Vega was your guard and then ME3 story got rollin'
It made perfect sense to me *shrug*

Well with Arrival, it does make more sense within Context in Me3 if you download it for Me2

[RogueWriter3201]

David Gaider wrote...

NKKKK wrote...
It's expected when you cancel the expansion pack, a big missing chunk of a game was bound to expand the story.

How is this going to be adressed in Dragon Age 3?

Is the assumption here that we would move onto a potential DA3 story, leaving the expansion's story behind as if it had already happened? Like writing two books and then just publishing the second one?

If so, then yes, that would be a silly thing to do.

Whatever future story comes to be, it will treat the end of DA2 (and the DLC's) as the jumping-off point... not the end of the cancelled expansion.

And dispite David taking time out of what is likely a schedual from hell to clarify this issue, this thread will continue to argue the point (*Sigh*)  Still, thanks David. My best to The Writer's Pit. 

[Nennykins]

I'm so sick and tired of people ****ing about ME on every DA thread that I go to read.

[PinkDiamondstl]

simfamSP wrote...

PinkDiamondstl wrote...

Canceling the DLC still was a stupid move...

Not financially. I doubt it would have done well in that area knowing the rep DA2 has.

I wouldn't have  cared if it did well , the Dagon Age 2 dlc's were fun to play. And to the people who say that DA2 suck are the same idiots who watch Jersey Shore and also believe that Skyrim was the best game of the year. Those people are irrelevant.

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Modifié par PinkDiamondstl, 01 août 2012 - 08:17 .

[chuckwells62]

Bioware seemed to be stuck between a rock and a hard place with SWTOR, which had more to do will the cancellation of "Exalted March" than any perception of Dragon Age 2. Their online Star Wars game was/is bleeding paying customers, and they needed the additional resource personnel to possibly shore it up. I have no idea if that decision has borne fruit.I liked the original Star Wars film, but much of what came to be afterwards has altered the entertainment map residuals continuously for me. Not played SWTOR, and never will!

I do love me some Thedas, and knowing that we got so close to this additional DA2 dlc and had it yanked, still stings. As for those novels, Mr. Gaider referenced, if I wanted to read a book, I would, but what I want is to play the game (which is why I was here in the first place). I appreciate that the company is trying to deliver stuff through other means, but the rock and a hard place scenario reverberates on this one too. No harsh criticism intended, but give me gaming stuff to play with, not additional info that I've simply got to read.

Modifié par chuckwells62, 01 août 2012 - 02:41 .

[FieryDove]

PinkDiamondstl wrote...

I wouldn't have  cared if it did well , the Dagon Age 2 dlc's were fun to play. And to the people who say that DA2 suck are the same idiots who watch jersey shore and also believe that Skyrim was the best game of the year. Those people are irrelevant.

[/i]

If it had done badly in sales there might not have been a DA next thing. EA doesn't like losses.

Best is also subjective. I'm sure many loved and still love skyrim. Lots of eyecandy. But not much else from what I've read hence I didn't buy it. Plus I don't need massive shiny eyecandy to entertain me.

Jersey Shore sounds like a clothing line.

chuckwells62 wrote...
Bioware seemed to be stuck between a rock and a hard place with SWTOR, which had more to do will the cancellation of "Exalted March" than any perception of Dragon Age 2. Their online Star Wars game was/is bleeding paying customers, and they needed the additional resource personnel to possibly shore it up. I have no idea if that decision has borne fruit.I liked the original Star Wars film, but much of what came to be afterwards has altered the entertainment map residuals continuously for me. Not played SWTOR, and never will!

You should at least give it a spin. ToR is going FTP this month.

Modifié par FieryDove, 01 août 2012 - 06:35 .

[SphereofSilence]

David Gaider wrote...

Whatever future story comes to be, it will treat the end of DA2 (and the DLC's) as the jumping-off point... not the end of the cancelled expansion.

That sounds like converting, tweaking and expanding what was supposed to be Exalted March into DA3.

Anyways, I hope there be comics on the DLCs. They'd have to do with a 'canon' male Hawke with a 'canon' DA2 storyline as background.

[Ghidorah14]

DLC? Playing a part in the story? Having consequences?

You havent been playing DA2 long...

[Grif]

You should at least give it a spin. ToR is going FTP this month.

It's not going free to play until November, but yes I agree, give it a try, I've been there since beta and still having fun.