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[LiarasShield]

Cyonan wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Actually they could easily patch espically if the paladin is a model off the cerberus guardian but with a different appearance they could add a patch to incorporate the guardians movements as the paladins own I don't think that would be too hard to do and still not have to change the over all progaming to accomplish it.

It depends on how their models are set up. They might have to do some extra animation work.

I'm also guessing that the shield is hard-coded to prevent movement, so they would need to revamp that part of the code.

At the very least it would require a patch, so I probably wouldn't expect it to change soon if it's going to change at all.

Personally, I think the Paladin is quite good, but I suspect that they'll buff him in a weekly balance change due to the hate he's getting right now.

Well I' mean it is not even hate really its just he can't provide the good support or defense as a shield sentinel if he just can't move

[Variasaber]

I always assumed that anything that came from an omnitool was weightless.

On the other hand, the Paladin can retract his shield to move at full speed (can he roll? Haven't tried him yet), whereas the Guardian can't, he's stuck carrying that door XD

[sqaz2wsx]

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[AresKeith]

LiarasShield wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Actually they could easily patch espically if the paladin is a model off the cerberus guardian but with a different appearance they could add a patch to incorporate the guardians movements as the paladins own I don't think that would be too hard to do and still not have to change the over all progaming to accomplish it.

It depends on how their models are set up. They might have to do some extra animation work.

I'm also guessing that the shield is hard-coded to prevent movement, so they would need to revamp that part of the code.

At the very least it would require a patch, so I probably wouldn't expect it to change soon if it's going to change at all.

Personally, I think the Paladin is quite good, but I suspect that they'll buff him in a weekly balance change due to the hate he's getting right now.

Well I' mean it is not even hate really its just he can't provide the good support or defense as a shield sentinel if he just can't move

unless you run up put the shield up lol

[LiarasShield]

AresKeith wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Actually they could easily patch espically if the paladin is a model off the cerberus guardian but with a different appearance they could add a patch to incorporate the guardians movements as the paladins own I don't think that would be too hard to do and still not have to change the over all progaming to accomplish it.

It depends on how their models are set up. They might have to do some extra animation work.

I'm also guessing that the shield is hard-coded to prevent movement, so they would need to revamp that part of the code.

At the very least it would require a patch, so I probably wouldn't expect it to change soon if it's going to change at all.

Personally, I think the Paladin is quite good, but I suspect that they'll buff him in a weekly balance change due to the hate he's getting right now.

Well I' mean it is not even hate really its just he can't provide the good support or defense as a shield sentinel if he just can't move

unless you run up put the shield up lol

Yeah but then you easily get destroyed by ravangers primes and anything else you that can shoot you from a distance it would be more of a better solution or idea to slowly walk up with the shield while taking fire until your shield breaks then getting annhilated before you can even put the shield up.

Modifié par LiarasShield, 19 juillet 2012 - 04:21 .

[Cyonan]

LiarasShield wrote...

Well I' mean it is not even hate really its just he can't provide the good support or defense as a shield sentinel if he just can't move

He can be good support and defence, but it can get a bit tricky at times.

Out of all the "tanks" in the game, he has by far the best control. Most things that aren't armoured get frozen very fast by me, and a CC'd target is better than a tanked target defensively speaking.

If there's a way to tank with something, I guarantee you that I will find it =P

I've considered making a video guide if I have the time, since so many people can't seem to make him work defensively.

[LiarasShield]

just saying slow movement with the shield will not make him overpowered just having him be decent support lol.

[AresKeith]

LiarasShield wrote...

just saying slow movement with the shield will not make him overpowered just having him be decent support lol.

and it would more sense because the Shadow Broker could move and run with the shield

[LiarasShield]

AresKeith wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

just saying slow movement with the shield will not make him overpowered just having him be decent support lol.

and it would more sense because the Shadow Broker could move and run with the shield

Another reason why it kinda doesn't make sense why you can't even slowly walk with the shield.....

[Cyonan]

 

LiarasShield wrote...

just saying slow movement with the shield will not make him overpowered just having him be decent support lol.

 

It wouldn't make him OP, but I also wouldn't expect it to happen since it needs a full patch to do. If they think he needs to be better, they'll buff him through the weekly balance changes somehow most likely.

AresKeith wrote...
and it would more sense because the Shadow Broker could move and run with the shield

To be fair, the Shadow Broker could also 1 hand a Revenant, and was twice as big as a Krogan =P

[Omnifarious Nef]

I was really disapointed with him. I won't be playing him again unless they allow movement. Right now, he just feels like a gimp Engineer without any form of decoy or ability to support the team when it matters. The only time he is useful for helping the team is on FBWGG, as they don't move, and can sit perfectly still behind the counters while he sits in front of the counter.

[AresKeith]

Cyonan wrote...

 

LiarasShield wrote...

just saying slow movement with the shield will not make him overpowered just having him be decent support lol.

 

It wouldn't make him OP, but I also wouldn't expect it to happen since it needs a full patch to do. If they think he needs to be better, they'll buff him through the weekly balance changes somehow most likely.

AresKeith wrote...
and it would more sense because the Shadow Broker could move and run with the shield

To be fair, the Shadow Broker could also 1 hand a Revenant, and was twice as big as a Krogan =P

I know, thats why I'm saying the human should alteast be able to move with it

[tCruzin4lyfe]

I tried to use him last night and I couldn't get a feel for him. I would live for someone to make a vid showcasing his talents.

[Topographer]

I love this class, a lot. Snap freeze is an amazing debuff, but as he stands right now I don't think he's tanky enough to compensate for his low damage output. The shield does not help this cause at all. In my experience it's actually pretty dangerous to use on gold and platinum.

[LiarasShield]

Topographer wrote...

I love this class, a lot. Snap freeze is an amazing debuff, but as he stands right now I don't think he's tanky enough to compensate for his low damage output. The shield does not help this cause at all. In my experience it's actually pretty dangerous to use on gold and platinum.

You just can't be really a good tank if you can't even move with the shield and the shadow broker at least was able to run with the omni shield so why can't humans do a slow walk with it?

[mrcanada]

The Paladin is not a good class all things considered. The shield is a great idea that is terribly executed. He's absolutely useless on Platinum.

[Grumpy Old Wizard]

Suggestions

1) Make the shield regenerate a certain number of hit points per second. Maybe based on his number of shields. Or even based on the difficulty level, to keep the shield viable in each difficulty level.

2) Allow the paladin to move slowly with the shield deployed. He should be a tank, not a stationary wall.

3) Give the paladin some damage reduction when the shield is deployed. He is easily flanked or gibbed from behind.

4) Allow the paladin to use his powers when the shield is deployed, but at a higher cooldown rate.

5) Allow use of one handed weapons when the shield is deployed.

Modifié par Grumpy Old Wizard, 20 juillet 2012 - 12:48 .

[LiarasShield]

Grumpy Old Wizard wrote...

Suggestions

1) Make the shield regenerate a certain number of hit points per second. Maybe based on his number of shields. Or even based on the difficulty level, to keep the shield viable in each difficulty level.

2) Allow the paladin to move slowly with the shield deployed. He should be a tank, not a stationary wall.

3) Give the paladin some damage reduction when the shield is deployed. He is easily flanked or gibbed from behind.

4) Allow the paladin to use his powers when the shield is deployed, but at a higher cooldown rate.

5) Allow use of one handed weapons when the shield is deployed.

I agree on all points

[A Wild Snorlax]

He really should be able to move while using the shield, as it is the shield is pretty bad and extremely situational.

I would like for them to buff him in other ways though, preferably by giving incinerate higher damage and making snap freeze and cryo blast debuff more, the shield movement thing would probably require a patch.

[Star fury]

mrcanada wrote...

The Paladin is not a good class all things considered. The shield is a great idea that is terribly executed. He's absolutely useless on Platinum.

Cannon fodder guardian is better with his shield than elite N7 operative. He can move AND shoot. Ain't it funny?
Paladin is more or less useless on gold too. Throwing him into platinum is a bad idea. He's good against geth because of energy drain, that's all. Freezing is okay too. His trademark shield gets him killed.

[lord_nair]

+1
that will make the shield a bit more useful, right now its more like a novelty

[Bladedrummer]

+1

As it stands the Paladin is sadly useless or next to.

[Edalborez]

Shield can be cancelled by back+melee. Spread the word.

[Whitemexican]

i think i've said this on most threads related to the paladin's shield, i don't have him but from what i've seen people do when he's used

it should really be like the Boom Shield of Gears, where you can move with it protecting you, OR set it down and leave it so teammates can hop on it like regular cover, given how fast the shield breaks neither of those is enough to make it overpowered, now unlike Gears i would say no shooting while moving, and no carrying the shield around undeployed w/o a penalty (ie its there but 1/2 the size still slightly protecting you).

it really should work as a mobile cover platform (drop and someone else uses) or a moving self cover platform (again no shooting just reduced movement speed with the shield deployed)

although has anyone tried doing shield walls on Gold? its pretty funny against Reapers because banshees will get stuck teleporting trying to get over someone with a shield to get to someone without a shield

i had 3 guys all paladins box me in a corner (i don't have it so i was the only one without a shield out) and a banshee kept going for me and getting stuck mid teleport like on FBW counters, no magnet grab too lol the 3 paladens killed her by bashing her as well. fun but impractical