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[cglasgow]

To everyone upset about Alistair's hissy fit about recruiting Loghain, just one thought:

How would your human noble character react to Alistair deciding that Arl Howe should be recruited into the Grey Wardens?

[AntiChri5]

Not well!!!

[ReubenLiew]

I'd probably let him do it.

You know, cause I'm a bleedin' hearted saint.

[Awildawn]

well yeah, you're right, but still he left without fighting the Archdemon, I find this irresponsible... I felt like Morrigan was right all along about him.

[Herr Uhl]

Arl Howe is voiced by Tim Curry, I would kill Alastair to get him on my team, noble or no.



Sadly, he hates you with a passion for some reason.

[AntiChri5]

My female noble and Allistair have a deal. He will hold down Howe while she drops heavy things on his nether regions and she will hold Loghain down while he tears him apart. Ferelden will be so safe in their hands!!!

[ReubenLiew]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Arl Howe is voiced by Tim Curry, I would kill Alastair to get him on my team, noble or no.

Sadly, he hates you with a passion for some reason.

This man speaks truth.

[Wardka]

Not well, but if my father (or in Alistair's case, the person he thought of as his father) held as his sworn duty to save the world from the Blight, I wouldn't have disgraced his memory by abandoning said duty. I would've told the person who made the decision to let Howe take the Joining ritual to go to hell, but still fought against the darkspawn, while swearing to myself the entire time.

[thegreateski]

I'd let him help save the world and then murder him in his sleep later.

[pudi0072000]

To be perfectly honest, I'd give him the bird and tell him to save the damned world on his own too - and then promptly ripped Howe to shreds. Nobody gets between me and my petty vengeance. >

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

One problem, it wasn't us that originally suggested Loghain, it was Riordan and it was Howe whom had imprisoned Riordan so somehow I doubt he would think of suggesting him and even if he did, Alastair is such a wimp he wouldn't think of stating that Howe should be recruited. Especially not if we're talking about a human noble character. Specially when you consider he disapproves of Zevran joining the group ie. the guy that tried killing us all.

[PatT2]

There's a lot of foreshadowing of the decision to let Loghain become a grey warden...in the journal of Sophia Dryden. She was going to be hanged for treason, and they showed her mercy and let her become a warden instead. So she hatched a treasonous plot as the commander of the wardens, and got the entire Grey Warden outfit banned from Ferelden. Maric allowed then to return, but by then they were seen as an orlesian group. Which is the trouble loghain has with them. So if you make Loghain a Grey Warden (and he doesnt' die) is the chance to have another Sophia Dryden incident in the cards all over again?



I let a lot of "guilty" people go just to make sure I don't kill an innocent, but it does come back to bite me at times. It did bite the king of Ferelden who outlawed the Grey Wardens...when they turned on him after he allowed one of his enemies to become one in place of hanging as a traitor.



And when this blight is over, the Wardens will have the same problem now they did then...not enough to fight. No arch demon. No focus.



I don't want the wardens on the throne, and I don't want a traitor in the wardens either.

[Vicious]

well yeah, you're right, but still he left without fighting the Archdemon, I find this irresponsible... I felt like Morrigan was right all along about him.

this.

I was REALLY hoping he'd show up at the final battle and do what Duncan would have wanted. Alas it was not to be.

Anyway, Couslands always do their duty first.

My duty is to end the blight. I'd settle up with Howe after.

Modifié par Vicious, 18 décembre 2009 - 01:47 .

[LynxAQ]

The situations are completely different - they cant even be compared. Loghain is a hero to the people and still is. Remember everything that happens in the Landsmeet and all the devious schemes (which may I add are mainly done and implemented by Howe not Loghain) is not common knowledge by the public at large.



Howe on the other hand is known as a deviant noble who is even openly not paying his workers. hence the tiny uprising outside his front door when you arrive.



Loghain is still very loyal to the country and even tho he was mislead mainly by Howe, Loghain would still fight and die for the country Fereldan. Howe on the other hand cares only about himself an what he can acquire. He is greedy and wants to basically have all the riches and used Loghain to get this.



Riordan knows this when he suggests making Loghain a grey warden. Alistair went completely out of the realm of sanity and exposed himself for what he truely is. A person who cares about nothing but personal vengeance. The guy whines the entire tim about not wanting to be king then all of a sudden wants the crown, not to lead, not to help the peopel of Fereldan, not to end the blight, BUT to get nothing but personal vengeance.



The 2 situations are completely different. Apples and Oranges. Off with Alistairs head. Should be an option to have his head as a trophy on the wall at the end. Fitting.

[syllogi]

ALISTAIR DEFENSE SQUAD ACTIVATE!!!!



...oh wait, you're on the side of good, sunshine, and puppies.



nevermind.

[Galad22]

LynxAQ wrote...
Alistair went completely out of the realm of sanity and exposed himself for what he truely is. A person who cares about nothing but personal vengeance.

Because you would be absolutely thrilled when your brothers murderer walks free?

[Rainen89]

Just a suggestion, but I think his anger was towards Duncan's death, not Cailans...I don't think Alistair gave a damn about Cailan at all.

[robertthebard]

Alistair spent the greater majority of the game going on and on about Grey Warden this, Grey Warden that, I love being a Grey Warden, etc etc...Well, here's some sad news Alistair, first and foremost, a Grey Warden's job is, if there is one, to stop a Blight. It's not to try to take the crown for petty revenge schemes, which I have had him do, and then, when that fails, leave Ferelden to it's fate. Yeah, he got to do what my City Elf wished she could do, with no repercussions, again dumping solving the whole Blight on my lap.

[Rainen89]

Out of curiosity, if you get rid of alistair, who gives the eulogy if your character dies?

[LynxAQ]

Rainen89 wrote...

Out of curiosity, if you get rid of alistair, who gives the eulogy if your character dies?

Tho I have not tried it myself, I believe Anora does it.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Rainen89 wrote...

Just a suggestion, but I think his anger was towards Duncan's death, not Cailans...I don't think Alistair gave a damn about Cailan at all.

Yeah, I can't wait to get into full swing with one of my upcoming playthroughs whom is a no nonsense kind of person, all them conversations where Alastair starts welling up at the mention of Duncan... everytime am gonna take the brute option that none of my current characters have.

I fully understand that Duncan was like a father to him, but Boooo can only stand sooooo much!

*Need that slap mod with an option to do it to Alastair during those conversation spots*

[Malaia]

The problem is that Alistair leaving is completely out of character for him. That's my issue. He's someone that, even while he railed against bad decisions, he still allowed them. For instance, he tells you at Redcliffe that killing Conner might be the only solution, even though he gets angry with you for doing it in the end. He may have abandoned your party, but even an unhardened Alistair would have fought at the gates or something.



Regarding his "hissy" fit, well that part IS in character for an unhardened, child-like character. I still think he would have abandoned your PARTY but not the fight itself. And I even question that, I think he would have been angry, but Alistair was brave and dutiful.



*shrug*



I can understand most people being upset at this very out of character incident.

[Korimaru]

LynxAQ wrote...

Loghain is still very loyal to the country and even tho he was mislead mainly by Howe, Loghain would still fight and die for the country Fereldan. Howe on the other hand cares only about himself an what he can acquire. He is greedy and wants to basically have all the riches and used Loghain to get this.

Riordan knows this when he suggests making Loghain a grey warden. Alistair went completely out of the realm of sanity and exposed himself for what he truely is. A person who cares about nothing but personal vengeance. The guy whines the entire tim about not wanting to be king then all of a sudden wants the crown, not to lead, not to help the peopel of Fereldan, not to end the blight, BUT to get nothing but personal vengeance.

So getting the king killed, not to mention thousands of others that were killed due to the darkspawn, village plundered and pillaged and so on is all for the country. I highly doubt that Howe had that much influence on him, as a matter of fact it was Loghain who partly influenced him. It was simply personal greed that drove Loghain, that and ignorance. If the grey wardens were unsuccesful to open his eyes at the landsmeet, the blight would have been inevitable. So much for our hero Loghain. I actually enjoyed the sight of Alistair killing him.

Modifié par Korimaru, 18 décembre 2009 - 02:29 .

[syllogi]

Malaia wrote...

The problem is that Alistair leaving is completely out of character for him. That's my issue. He's someone that, even while he railed against bad decisions, he still allowed them. For instance, he tells you at Redcliffe that killing Conner might be the only solution, even though he gets angry with you for doing it in the end. He may have abandoned your party, but even an unhardened Alistair would have fought at the gates or something.

Regarding his "hissy" fit, well that part IS in character for an unhardened, child-like character. I still think he would have abandoned your PARTY but not the fight itself. And I even question that, I think he would have been angry, but Alistair was brave and dutiful.

*shrug*

I can understand most people being upset at this very out of character incident.

I believe it is out of character, but wouldn't you act out of character when a good friend decides to not only forgive your worst enemy for his crimes, but also decides to let the enemy join your party???

Alistair has deferred to your PCs lead up to this point, because you apparently are on his side.  Why would you expect him to give up everything he believes in, by letting Loghain join the party?  Loghain has exerted all his efforts towards destroying all Grey Wardens, and everything they believe in, up till he is defeated in the duel.  Alistair is just acting like a SANE, logical individual by not welcoming this psychopath into the party. 

Sorry he's not psychic, evil, or a giant douchebag like your character.

[XOGHunter246]

The loghain issue is what rattles him i understand this but he could of been more grown up about it.