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[Wayning_Star]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

v3paR wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
[...]

if only the devs were not so lazy and made the cinematics better we wouldn't have to guess which is what.

it seems that Control was the original way to control Catalyst/Reapers by its creators. thats why we have handles. they just didn't have time to use it before they were wiped. Destroy option is Shepard basicaly break the whole device thus destroying Catalyst/Reapers (pretty much similar to Sovereign being destroyed by glitch which disabled his shields aka "You're just a machine, and machines can be broken!")

As for Synthesis it is option added by Catalyst. He tried that earlier but failed because of his faulty logic. And for the same reason he just didn't need to invent anything. For him everything worked just fine. Tried few variations of his logic but failed each time so he stoped trying. But now someone build the Crucible (or whatever we call it) and this added completely new variable to his faulty logic. A variable that seems to fix his original problem. The Crucible is for the Catalyst something like the apple was for Newton (this is myth ofc but you should get my point)

the only thing bad is the way he speaks of it. he should have only mention synthesis as this is his utlimate goal. the other two options should be Shepard's choices. but since he had to explain each option to player it all turns out into one big mess.

in short, he didn't designed Synthesis but the situation (and new variables) made it possible for him.

 very astute, who said catalyst was a super being!! Just a cosmic recording device with too much time on it's hands,er..sensors.. but I still think the reaper makers are pulling all the string theories around the MEU and out here where reality really gets fuzzy..lol

Ghehe. Well, the brat mentioned it was very smart. It was supposed to combine the intelligence of all reapers:

Child: I embody the collective intelligence of all reapers.

And we already know that reapers were not very humble.

Sovereign: We are eternal. The pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything.

I fear that is the original creators speaking, not sovereign et al, a mere glimse of their 'mentality'.. yikes!!

[What a Succulent Ass]

- "Does this suit make me look fat?"
Yes. But it's not the suit, it's you.

Oh.

Well, this sent me spiralling into a deep depression.

[PsyrenY]

zambot wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

zambot wrote...

What I don't understand is that you openly acknowledge the fact that you're working with "bad writing" and "space magic" yet you are still attempting to impose logic on it. Why? To what end? It's just as valid to say that Shepard isn't really human, and was one of the Creators sent forward in time on a magical time travelling unicorn which explains why his essence activates the space magic that he created billions of years ago to save the galaxy. What are you out to prove?

I like logic.

Imposing logic on the illogical is not logical behavior.

Guess her logic involves loving illogic?

[Wayning_Star]

Ownedbacon wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

It makes it possible by being a power source. I thought that part of the theory was clear. No power, no possibilities.
Shepard has nothing to do with this. You may want to pretend otherwise, but you could likely shove any cyborg into that beam and achieve the same result.

Couldn't Shepard have just cut off a hand threw it in to make synthesis happen? Since it must copy Shepard's "essence" anyways. Why would it need his/her whole body?

well, the brain is the center of our 'essence' and our 'eyes' are the window to the..er..uh.. ultimate printed circuit?!?

[Xellith]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Have you ever noticed that you always make up headcannon that has contradictions and then you complain about the bad writing of your headcannon instead of trying to think up a different answer that doesn't have contradictions?

Edit:

For example it's possible that another previous cycle, or cycles, realised that Synthesis would end the conflict and included it into the design of the Crucible. The Catalyst could've also have tried that solution but failed, but that wouldn't mean others wouldn't have been able to try and create that solution.

1.  You are on the citadel where the switches are.
2.  The catalyst even says that the crucible is little more than a power source.

Meaning that the options were on the citadel and all the crucible does is supply the power to activate the options.

Still doesnt explain why the Reapers would even have all 3 options on the citadel to be honest.  Though "destruction" only occuring by attacking a tube kinda makes sense.  You stop the power being used correctly and cause an overload or something like that.

Least it makes sense to me.

Modifié par Xellith, 19 juillet 2012 - 08:13 .

[v3paR]

RavenEyry wrote...

I still want to know how no one ever visited the bottom of the tower for any reason over thousands of cycles.

And why the device has such a terrible user interface.

Probably because its unaccessible by standard means. It was told that species using the Citadel were not interested how it work because of the Keepers and everytime someone tried to change something the Keepers would *fix* it.
perhaps some earlier species discovered that there is something there (and used that knowledhe in Crucible plans)
or the control room is not really a room but its outside of the Citadel and people saw it many times but just didn't think its important.

the user interface is not that bad. it have 4 handles and looks pretty much normal. (Synthesis and Destroy are not really options using the interface, only Control use it)

[Wayning_Star]

space magic is 'other words' for "I don't know and proud of it!!" (and it's all imaginary facts that we base our fantasy,etc. so ignore the possiblities real or imagined. There is NO deeper meaning to be derived from our imagination, a worthless tool for symbiots.. space magic=quantum mechanics.)

[AngryFrozenWater]

Wayning_Star wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

v3paR wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
[...]

if only the devs were not so lazy and made the cinematics better we wouldn't have to guess which is what.

it seems that Control was the original way to control Catalyst/Reapers by its creators. thats why we have handles. they just didn't have time to use it before they were wiped. Destroy option is Shepard basicaly break the whole device thus destroying Catalyst/Reapers (pretty much similar to Sovereign being destroyed by glitch which disabled his shields aka "You're just a machine, and machines can be broken!")

As for Synthesis it is option added by Catalyst. He tried that earlier but failed because of his faulty logic. And for the same reason he just didn't need to invent anything. For him everything worked just fine. Tried few variations of his logic but failed each time so he stoped trying. But now someone build the Crucible (or whatever we call it) and this added completely new variable to his faulty logic. A variable that seems to fix his original problem. The Crucible is for the Catalyst something like the apple was for Newton (this is myth ofc but you should get my point)

the only thing bad is the way he speaks of it. he should have only mention synthesis as this is his utlimate goal. the other two options should be Shepard's choices. but since he had to explain each option to player it all turns out into one big mess.

in short, he didn't designed Synthesis but the situation (and new variables) made it possible for him.

 very astute, who said catalyst was a super being!! Just a cosmic recording device with too much time on it's hands,er..sensors.. but I still think the reaper makers are pulling all the string theories around the MEU and out here where reality really gets fuzzy..lol

Ghehe. Well, the brat mentioned it was very smart. It was supposed to combine the intelligence of all reapers:

Child: I embody the collective intelligence of all reapers.

And we already know that reapers were not very humble.

Sovereign: We are eternal. The pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything.

I fear that is the original creators speaking, not sovereign et al, a mere glimse of their 'mentality'.. yikes!!

You can fear anything you want. The brat tells me it is an AI. That means it can reason. And thus I hold it accountable for its actions. Especially when it claims to be very smart.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 19 juillet 2012 - 08:19 .

[elitehunter34]

The Angry One wrote...
Sovereign told us this. Sovereign also told us the Reapers had no creators and always were.

My bad, I thought Vigil said that.  Well, we still don't know if the creators created the relays and the Citadel.  We can't assume they did.

The Angry One wrote... 
How does any part of my theory rely on the Catalyst not knowing about these functions?
A control override and a destruction mechanism aren't exactly outlandish concepts. They've just never been required by the Catalyst until now because suddenly things are so different apparently.

Because  if the Catalyst knew they existed why the hell didn't it destroy them?  The Catalsyt has had millions of years to discover and destroy them.  As soon as the Catalyst found out about them it could send a Reaper and destroy that part of the Citadel.  Even if it had to wait 50,000 years so it could do it at the beginning of a new cycle.

[Wayning_Star]

v3paR wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

I still want to know how no one ever visited the bottom of the tower for any reason over thousands of cycles.

And why the device has such a terrible user interface.

Probably because its unaccessible by standard means. It was told that species using the Citadel were not interested how it work because of the Keepers and everytime someone tried to change something the Keepers would *fix* it.
perhaps some earlier species discovered that there is something there (and used that knowledhe in Crucible plans)
or the control room is not really a room but its outside of the Citadel and people saw it many times but just didn't think its important.

the user interface is not that bad. it have 4 handles and looks pretty much normal. (Synthesis and Destroy are not really options using the interface, only Control use it)

that's part of what makes me beleive its all just part of a 'dream scape', a weird/alien form of communication with inferior beings who'd probably just fizzle out if exposed to the actual reaper compendium... ala their builders. Just a hunch tho..

edit: virtual reality as it were...millions of years in some future.

Modifié par Wayning_Star, 19 juillet 2012 - 08:21 .

[Wayning_Star]

elitehunter34 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
Sovereign told us this. Sovereign also told us the Reapers had no creators and always were.

My bad, I thought Vigil said that.  Well, we still don't know if the creators created the relays and the Citadel.  We can't assume they did.

The Angry One wrote... 
How does any part of my theory rely on the Catalyst not knowing about these functions?
A control override and a destruction mechanism aren't exactly outlandish concepts. They've just never been required by the Catalyst until now because suddenly things are so different apparently.

Because  if the Catalyst knew they existed why the hell didn't it destroy them?  The Catalsyt has had millions of years to discover and destroy them.  As soon as the Catalyst found out about them it could send a Reaper and destroy that part of the Citadel.  Even if it had to wait 50,000 years so it could do it at the beginning of a new cycle.

I'd blame programming and unknowable at that.. it did say the citadel was 'only a part of it'..so it leaves a lot to be desired and on a 'need to know' basis?

[AngryFrozenWater]

Wayning_Star wrote...

elitehunter34 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
Sovereign told us this. Sovereign also told us the Reapers had no creators and always were.

My bad, I thought Vigil said that.  Well, we still don't know if the creators created the relays and the Citadel.  We can't assume they did.

The Angry One wrote... 
How does any part of my theory rely on the Catalyst not knowing about these functions?
A control override and a destruction mechanism aren't exactly outlandish concepts. They've just never been required by the Catalyst until now because suddenly things are so different apparently.

Because  if the Catalyst knew they existed why the hell didn't it destroy them?  The Catalsyt has had millions of years to discover and destroy them.  As soon as the Catalyst found out about them it could send a Reaper and destroy that part of the Citadel.  Even if it had to wait 50,000 years so it could do it at the beginning of a new cycle.

I'd blame programming and unknowable at that.. it did say the citadel was 'only a part of it'..so it leaves a lot to be desired and on a 'need to know' basis?

Programming is a cheap cop out. You are confusing a VI with an AI.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 19 juillet 2012 - 08:27 .

[Wayning_Star]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

v3paR wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
[...]

if only the devs were not so lazy and made the cinematics better we wouldn't have to guess which is what.

it seems that Control was the original way to control Catalyst/Reapers by its creators. thats why we have handles. they just didn't have time to use it before they were wiped. Destroy option is Shepard basicaly break the whole device thus destroying Catalyst/Reapers (pretty much similar to Sovereign being destroyed by glitch which disabled his shields aka "You're just a machine, and machines can be broken!")

As for Synthesis it is option added by Catalyst. He tried that earlier but failed because of his faulty logic. And for the same reason he just didn't need to invent anything. For him everything worked just fine. Tried few variations of his logic but failed each time so he stoped trying. But now someone build the Crucible (or whatever we call it) and this added completely new variable to his faulty logic. A variable that seems to fix his original problem. The Crucible is for the Catalyst something like the apple was for Newton (this is myth ofc but you should get my point)

the only thing bad is the way he speaks of it. he should have only mention synthesis as this is his utlimate goal. the other two options should be Shepard's choices. but since he had to explain each option to player it all turns out into one big mess.

in short, he didn't designed Synthesis but the situation (and new variables) made it possible for him.

 very astute, who said catalyst was a super being!! Just a cosmic recording device with too much time on it's hands,er..sensors.. but I still think the reaper makers are pulling all the string theories around the MEU and out here where reality really gets fuzzy..lol

Ghehe. Well, the brat mentioned it was very smart. It was supposed to combine the intelligence of all reapers:

Child: I embody the collective intelligence of all reapers.

And we already know that reapers were not very humble.

Sovereign: We are eternal. The pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything.

I fear that is the original creators speaking, not sovereign et al, a mere glimse of their 'mentality'.. yikes!!

You can fear anything you want. The brat tells me it is an AI. That means it can reason. And thus I hold it accountable for its actions. Especially when it claims to be very smart.

who me, hold the catalyst...anywhere..hah! I hold the original builders responsible for it all, but they're..indisposed at the moment.. probably on purpose.. super races billons of years old are hard to deal with in any http://www.astro.ucl...ht/relatvty.htm.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Wayning_Star wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

v3paR wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
[...]

if only the devs were not so lazy and made the cinematics better we wouldn't have to guess which is what.

it seems that Control was the original way to control Catalyst/Reapers by its creators. thats why we have handles. they just didn't have time to use it before they were wiped. Destroy option is Shepard basicaly break the whole device thus destroying Catalyst/Reapers (pretty much similar to Sovereign being destroyed by glitch which disabled his shields aka "You're just a machine, and machines can be broken!")

As for Synthesis it is option added by Catalyst. He tried that earlier but failed because of his faulty logic. And for the same reason he just didn't need to invent anything. For him everything worked just fine. Tried few variations of his logic but failed each time so he stoped trying. But now someone build the Crucible (or whatever we call it) and this added completely new variable to his faulty logic. A variable that seems to fix his original problem. The Crucible is for the Catalyst something like the apple was for Newton (this is myth ofc but you should get my point)

the only thing bad is the way he speaks of it. he should have only mention synthesis as this is his utlimate goal. the other two options should be Shepard's choices. but since he had to explain each option to player it all turns out into one big mess.

in short, he didn't designed Synthesis but the situation (and new variables) made it possible for him.

 very astute, who said catalyst was a super being!! Just a cosmic recording device with too much time on it's hands,er..sensors.. but I still think the reaper makers are pulling all the string theories around the MEU and out here where reality really gets fuzzy..lol

Ghehe. Well, the brat mentioned it was very smart. It was supposed to combine the intelligence of all reapers:

Child: I embody the collective intelligence of all reapers.

And we already know that reapers were not very humble.

Sovereign: We are eternal. The pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything.

I fear that is the original creators speaking, not sovereign et al, a mere glimse of their 'mentality'.. yikes!!

You can fear anything you want. The brat tells me it is an AI. That means it can reason. And thus I hold it accountable for its actions. Especially when it claims to be very smart.

who me, hold the catalyst...anywhere..hah! I hold the original builders responsible for it all, but they're..indisposed at the moment.. probably on purpose.. super races billons of years old are hard to deal with in any http://www.astro.ucl...ht/relatvty.htm.

You are not dealing with the brat's creators. You are dealing with the brat, who is an AI, which is supposed to be extremely smart and able to reason. The problem is that he creates the wrong solutions, so he tries to find new ones. But he keeps dreaming up solutions which are not very popular with its victims. To say the least. Also, the solutions are based on a hypothetical threat for which their is no proof.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 19 juillet 2012 - 08:36 .

[3DandBeyond]

Ownedbacon wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

It makes it possible by being a power source. I thought that part of the theory was clear. No power, no possibilities.
Shepard has nothing to do with this. You may want to pretend otherwise, but you could likely shove any cyborg into that beam and achieve the same result.

Couldn't Shepard have just cut off a hand threw it in to make synthesis happen? Since it must copy Shepard's "essence" anyways. Why would it need his/her whole body?

 

Spit.  I say one large honking globule of DNA mess (of course there are other orifices available) and there you go.  I mean considering it must be dispensed amongst trillions of beings one cup o' Shepard is not much different from a whole body's worth.

I mean what do you think--one Shepard per say 100 trillion beings or 1/100th of a Shepard per 100 trillion.  Statistically, there's no difference.  Like playing the lotto-buy 1 or 10 tickets and there's not much difference really.

[Wayning_Star]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

v3paR wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
[...]

if only the devs were not so lazy and made the cinematics better we wouldn't have to guess which is what.

it seems that Control was the original way to control Catalyst/Reapers by its creators. thats why we have handles. they just didn't have time to use it before they were wiped. Destroy option is Shepard basicaly break the whole device thus destroying Catalyst/Reapers (pretty much similar to Sovereign being destroyed by glitch which disabled his shields aka "You're just a machine, and machines can be broken!")

As for Synthesis it is option added by Catalyst. He tried that earlier but failed because of his faulty logic. And for the same reason he just didn't need to invent anything. For him everything worked just fine. Tried few variations of his logic but failed each time so he stoped trying. But now someone build the Crucible (or whatever we call it) and this added completely new variable to his faulty logic. A variable that seems to fix his original problem. The Crucible is for the Catalyst something like the apple was for Newton (this is myth ofc but you should get my point)

the only thing bad is the way he speaks of it. he should have only mention synthesis as this is his utlimate goal. the other two options should be Shepard's choices. but since he had to explain each option to player it all turns out into one big mess.

in short, he didn't designed Synthesis but the situation (and new variables) made it possible for him.

 very astute, who said catalyst was a super being!! Just a cosmic recording device with too much time on it's hands,er..sensors.. but I still think the reaper makers are pulling all the string theories around the MEU and out here where reality really gets fuzzy..lol

Ghehe. Well, the brat mentioned it was very smart. It was supposed to combine the intelligence of all reapers:

Child: I embody the collective intelligence of all reapers.

And we already know that reapers were not very humble.

Sovereign: We are eternal. The pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything.

I fear that is the original creators speaking, not sovereign et al, a mere glimse of their 'mentality'.. yikes!!

You can fear anything you want. The brat tells me it is an AI. That means it can reason. And thus I hold it accountable for its actions. Especially when it claims to be very smart.

who me, hold the catalyst...anywhere..hah! I hold the original builders responsible for it all, but they're..indisposed at the moment.. probably on purpose.. super races billons of years old are hard to deal with in any http://www.astro.ucl...ht/relatvty.htm.

You are not dealing with the brat's creators. You are dealing with the brat, who is an AI, which is supposed to be extremely smart and able to reason. The problem is that he creates the wrong solutions, so he tries to find new ones. But he keeps dreaming up solutions which are not very popular with its victims. To say the least. Also, the solutions are based on a hypothetical threat for which their is no proof.

first: it's not a brat second: it's not an AI, but an IA, big difference three: It's dealing with us/MEU, not the other way around. Fourth: It doesn't have 'victims', merely parts of it's programs. Fifth: It doesn't 'dream', the original creators do that 'for' it. Sixth: The "proof" is in the pudding, as it's been at the cycle for millions, maybe billions of years. That kinda leave organics/the entire MEU out of the loop of what to do about anything regarding the motivations of the catalyst and who actually programmed the thing. The crucible is more than just a power supply, but the catalyst doesn't even know that cause it's no longer within it's programming priorities. Who's programming priorites is a mystery. The objection to the synthesis is more proof of that. We/MEU beings couldn't even imagine such choices. Because.....???

[elitehunter34]

Wayning_Star wrote...
first: it's not a brat second: it's not an AI, but an IA, big difference three: It's dealing with us/MEU, not the other way around. Fourth: It doesn't have 'victims', merely parts of it's programs. Fifth: It doesn't 'dream', the original creators do that 'for' it. Sixth: The "proof" is in the pudding, as it's been at the cycle for millions, maybe billions of years. That kinda leave organics/the entire MEU out of the loop of what to do about anything regarding the motivations of the catalyst and who actually programmed the thing. The crucible is more than just a power supply, but the catalyst doesn't even know that cause it's no longer within it's programming priorities. Who's programming priorites is a mystery. The objection to the synthesis is more proof of that. We/MEU beings couldn't even imagine such choices. Because.....???

What the hell is an IA?  Are you joking?  Dude, when Shepard asks it if it's an AI, it replies "in as much as you are an animal."  That means that it is even more powerful than an AI, or at least should be.  AIs are held fully accountable.  They can reason and have as much free will as a person.  They can alter their own programming, this much is made apparant by EDI.  I'm extremely tired of everyone saying that the Catalyst must listen to its programming so therefore it can't be held accountable.  Saying that is directly countering what the game is trying to tell us.  The game is telling us that it is beyond an AI.  Saying it must obey it's programming is headcanon at best

[PsyrenY]

The Angry One wrote...

- "LOL did you make another topic to bash synthesis?"
I don't "bash" anything. I let the facts speak for themselves, and the facts are the Catalyst really really really really wants synthesis.

So?

"It is the ideal solution."

[Wayning_Star]

elitehunter34 wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...
first: it's not a brat second: it's not an AI, but an IA, big difference three: It's dealing with us/MEU, not the other way around. Fourth: It doesn't have 'victims', merely parts of it's programs. Fifth: It doesn't 'dream', the original creators do that 'for' it. Sixth: The "proof" is in the pudding, as it's been at the cycle for millions, maybe billions of years. That kinda leave organics/the entire MEU out of the loop of what to do about anything regarding the motivations of the catalyst and who actually programmed the thing. The crucible is more than just a power supply, but the catalyst doesn't even know that cause it's no longer within it's programming priorities. Who's programming priorites is a mystery. The objection to the synthesis is more proof of that. We/MEU beings couldn't even imagine such choices. Because.....???

What the hell is an IA?  Are you joking?  Dude, when Shepard asks it if it's an AI, it replies "in as much as you are an animal."  That means that it is even more powerful than an AI, or at least should be.  AIs are held fully accountable.  They can reason and have as much free will as a person.  They can alter their own programming, this much is made apparant by EDI.  I'm extremely tired of everyone saying that the Catalyst must listen to its programming so therefore it can't be held accountable.  Saying that is directly countering what the game is trying to tell us.  The game is telling us that it is beyond an AI.  Saying it must obey it's programming is headcanon at best

simple, just turn the words around, makes "it" more understandable "in as much as you are an animal" anology. The catalyst is an intelligent artificial. Makes it more than just an 'artificial' intelligence. It has a corporal definition, a constructed artificial who happens to be intelligent out of necessity,considering it's work routines'n all. Doesn't alter the fact that it's merely a machine tho, it's not independent of programming, but then, it appears that some organics aren't either, but that's another story... it simply cannot 'change' it's mind. The thing that makes organics believe that synthesis is 'mind control' without actually being synthesised, they imagine, worry about that, maybe it's intuition?, who knows..but I don't think the synthesis would 'control' there would be no logical reason for it, it's not part of the original programming, also probably not possible, as organics apparently spontaniously evolve, so mind control wouldn't hold forever, organics would figure a way out of it.,so it's back to other contemplations.

[Wayning_Star]

what would a video game about super races and sociology be like without micro managment?


(more fun?)

[v3paR]

elitehunter34 wrote...

What the hell is an IA?  Are you joking?  Dude, when Shepard asks it if it's an AI, it replies "in as much as you are an animal."  That means that it is even more powerful than an AI, or at least should be.  AIs are held fully accountable.  They can reason and have as much free will as a person.  They can alter their own programming, this much is made apparant by EDI.  I'm extremely tired of everyone saying that the Catalyst must listen to its programming so therefore it can't be held accountable.  Saying that is directly countering what the game is trying to tell us.  The game is telling us that it is beyond an AI.  Saying it must obey it's programming is headcanon at best

true. but the same game tell us that his logic is faulty. also remember EDI was AI yet still limited by Cerberus to some point.

also, we are animals but we consider ourselves not JUST animals but something more. the same applies to him. he is AI but he thinks of himself as something much more than JUST AI.

look at the suicide bombers. they think they doing right thing and it is very hard to make them change their minds.

so,its true that the Catalyst don't need to listen to its programming but he rather doesn't feel the need to change it. why would he change it if hes not doing anything wrong (by his own logic ofc)

[AngryFrozenWater]

Wayning_Star wrote...

first: it's not a brat second: it's not an AI, but an IA, big difference three: It's dealing with us/MEU, not the other way around. Fourth: It doesn't have 'victims', merely parts of it's programs. Fifth: It doesn't 'dream', the original creators do that 'for' it. Sixth: The "proof" is in the pudding, as it's been at the cycle for millions, maybe billions of years. That kinda leave organics/the entire MEU out of the loop of what to do about anything regarding the motivations of the catalyst and who actually programmed the thing. The crucible is more than just a power supply, but the catalyst doesn't even know that cause it's no longer within it's programming priorities. Who's programming priorites is a mystery. The objection to the synthesis is more proof of that. We/MEU beings couldn't even imagine such choices. Because.....???

1) It's a brat because it is interfering with things that are none of its business and because it tried to be naughty by disguising itself as a child while committing an incredible number of atrocities. 2) It has identified itself as an extremely smart artificial intelligence, so it can reason and thus it can be held accountable for its actions. 3) It is obvious that it tries to deal with the "us" in the MEU, and, considering the body count, that is the main problem. 4) Given its solutions which violate the right of self-determination in any horrific way imaginable the term "victims" seems to be appropriate. 5) The brat is an AI, and thus it can reason. It should be good at it, because it claims to be very smart. 6) If you love to eat that pudding then go ahead, but I don't see any proof in it. The motivations of the brat are totally irrelevant, because, as naughty as it is, the brat sticks its nose in things that are none of its business.

You may think the Crucible is more than just a power supply, but the brat disagrees. The Crucible itself doesn't do much. It requires the Citadel and the mass relays to become effective.

Child: The device you refer to as the Crucible is little more than a power source. However, in combination with the Citadel and the relays, it is capable of releasing tremendous amounts of energy throughout the galaxy. It is crude but effective and adaptive in its design.

And now we are back on topic.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 19 juillet 2012 - 09:23 .

[3DandBeyond]

Wayning_Star wrote...

what would a video game about super races and sociology be like without micro managment?


(more fun?)

Micro management from whom?  Fans?

Let me see, if you mean fans there can be no micro management.  Fans can only express their wishes and vote with their money by not buying and even returning games when possible.

The real thing is what devs can do can create an atmosphere that leads to a real longterm relationship.

Case in point, one dev and distributor that I have a fondness for is Atlus.  From software and Sony released a game Demon's Souls that had a unique online part to it.  Atlus distributed it and ran the servers in North America.  They made it a lot of fun and kept creating these online events and never got an extra penny for doing any of it.  It was all for the fun of players and the game became a success and they continually sent messages saying thank you to fans in game and out.

Respect your fans and listen even if you can never do what fans want you to do, but tell them you understand what they said, and they will be grateful for the chance you gave them.  Ignore your fans, treat them with disdain, treat them like children, act like what they want is just way too much or not intelligent or out of line with your art, and you deserve well a loss of business.

Micro managing is telling someone what to do and fans can't do that ever-only bosses can.

The crucible as power source partly fixes the crucible's problem, but nothing else.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 19 juillet 2012 - 09:30 .

[AtreiyaN7]

*rolleyes*

[Taboo]

Synthesis is merely a perfected form of what a husk is.

Far better I should think.

But the Catalyst is a proxy. He provides his ideal solution, which is Synthesis. He doesn't do anything else.

This may come to a shock to you but...you don't have to choose it.