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[Maclimes]

Seperate media is one thing.

But if I am given the option to import my game from DAO to DA2, and told my choices will affect the game world, they should. If, in my DAO game, I killed Leliana and Alistair became a wandering drunk, then I should expect both of those things to remain true. The fact that only one of them is true is ... disconcerting.

Have it be all or nothing.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

jackofalltrades456 wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

jackofalltrades456 wrote...

dsl08002 wrote...

i however is more interessted to know what happened between her and the warden if she was romanced

I doubt they'll go into that past a quick mentioning. Even though she enknowledges the romance in Dragon Age 2, it felt kind of handwaved, imo. She was even the one that said the Warden was missing at the end.

When does she make a cameo in DA2? Is DLC required?

Yes, she appears in both The Fallen Prince and Mark of the Assassin DLCs

So, she doesn't appear at all in the vanilla campaign?

Modifié par EpicBoot2daFace, 19 juillet 2012 - 11:06 .

[addiction21]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...


Were choices even meant to carry over when they started development on Origins? I know that was the idea with Mass Effect from the get-go.

From the start I have no idea. I do know it became a point after DAO's release.

Maclimes wrote...

Seperate media is one thing.

But if I am given the option to import my game from DAO to DA2, and told my choices will affect the game world, they should. If, in my DAO game, I killed Leliana and Alistair became a wandering drunk, then I should expect both of those things to remain true. The fact that only one of them is true is ... disconcerting.

Have it be all or nothing.

All or nothing I can understand that but I never got the impression that all choices we could make would affect the game world. I always saw it presented as each game being its own thing and that the choices chosen to carry over. And they were mostly carried over in a small meaningless way. Short cameo or mail.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...
So, she doesn't appear at all in the vanilla campaign?

Leliana appears in the epilogue cinematic, so she's definitely in the vanilla game. Her comments regarding the Warden are also the same whether or not you did the Ultimate Sacrifice.

Modifié par Shadow of Light Dragon, 20 juillet 2012 - 12:21 .

[NKKKK]

Maclimes wrote...

Seperate media is one thing.

But if I am given the option to import my game from DAO to DA2, and told my choices will affect the game world, they should. If, in my DAO game, I killed Leliana and Alistair became a wandering drunk, then I should expect both of those things to remain true. The fact that only one of them is true is ... disconcerting.

Have it be all or nothing.

Lol Alistair most likely becomes king anyways thanks to Bann Teagen, Gaider's probably gonna plotkai him if he was "executed" as well

Lol NOPE HE ESCAPED

Modifié par NKKKK, 20 juillet 2012 - 01:18 .

[Wrathion]

NKKKK wrote...

Maclimes wrote...

Seperate media is one thing.

But if I am given the option to import my game from DAO to DA2, and told my choices will affect the game world, they should. If, in my DAO game, I killed Leliana and Alistair became a wandering drunk, then I should expect both of those things to remain true. The fact that only one of them is true is ... disconcerting.

Have it be all or nothing.

Lol Alistair most likely becomes king anyways thanks to Bann Teagen, Gaider's probably gonna plotkai him if he was "executed" as well

Lol NOPE HE ESCAPED

I actually think that's likely to happen. 

Oh my Faith, where have you gone?

[Maclimes]

NKKKK wrote...

Lol Alistair most likely becomes king anyways thanks to Bann Teagen, Gaider's probably gonna plotkai him if he was "executed" as well

Lol NOPE HE ESCAPED

Actually, Alistair was the only one I know of who was actually accurately portrayed in DA2, based on your DA:O export.

[addiction21]

Alexandrine Delassixe wrote...

NKKKK wrote...

Maclimes wrote...

Seperate media is one thing.

But if I am given the option to import my game from DAO to DA2, and told my choices will affect the game world, they should. If, in my DAO game, I killed Leliana and Alistair became a wandering drunk, then I should expect both of those things to remain true. The fact that only one of them is true is ... disconcerting.

Have it be all or nothing.

Lol Alistair most likely becomes king anyways thanks to Bann Teagen, Gaider's probably gonna plotkai him if he was "executed" as well

Lol NOPE HE ESCAPED

I actually think that's likely to happen. 

Oh my Faith, where have you gone?

And? Would you begin to hate the setting because of it?
Amoen has to be there and has to be a Bhallspawn? What if I refused Minsc in BG1? Is BG2 worse because he appears anyway?

[NKKKK]

I know, but the canon seems to pointing at him becoming King at some point no matter what.

King Alistair = King Alistair
Drunk Alistair = Bann Teagen apparently seems to plot a coup with Alistair
Warden Alistair = Probably gets forced to become king anyways
Dead Alisair =Some ****ty excuse like Teagen pulling a conspiracy over Anora's eyes in order to eventually lead a coup.

Point is, when you all see Alistair as King in Dragon Age 3, don't be surprised.

[Wrathion]

addiction21 wrote...



And? Would you begin to hate the setting because of it?
Amoen has to be there and has to be a Bhallspawn? What if I refused Minsc in BG1? Is BG2 worse because he appears anyway?

Nope, Alistair is king is almost all of my playthroughs. I wouldn't care but that doesn't mean that no one else would. Those people deserve to be heard.

Are you actually asking me or...

[CuriousArtemis]

Maclimes wrote...

Hence the reason you can't get rid of or kill most of your companions (with a few notable exceptions) in DA2. 

So true, well, except that you CAN kill Fenris, Anders, and Merrill.  Can you kill Aveline?  Anyway, my point was ... Isabela and Varric, can't kill em.  OH AND LOOK WHO STARS IN THE COMICS.  Urgh.  Kind of annoying when devs play favorites.  But I will continue to hope and pray that the comics (and whatever else they cook up to earn a quick buck with minimal effort*) will have nothing to do with future games.

*By minimal effort I mean the company itself; I know Mr. Gaider works hard on his stuff.

[Wrathion]

motomotogirl wrote...

Maclimes wrote...

Hence the reason you can't get rid of or kill most of your companions (with a few notable exceptions) in DA2. 

So true, well, except that you CAN kill Fenris, Anders, and Merrill.  Can you kill Aveline?  Anyway, my point was ... Isabela and Varric, can't kill em.  OH AND LOOK WHO STARS IN THE COMICS.  Urgh.  Kind of annoying when devs play favorites.  But I will continue to hope and pray that the comics (and whatever else they cook up to earn a quick buck with minimal effort*) will have nothing to do with future games.

*By minimal effort I mean the company itself; I know Mr. Gaider works hard on his stuff.

I've never really thought about that, since Alistair and Isabela are two of my favorite people. I hate Varric with a burning passion though. Oh god, perspective.
You can't kill Carver either, yet you can be responsible for your sisters death after the Deep Roads. Odd.

[Maclimes]

Alexandrine Delassixe wrote...

I've never really thought about that, since Alistair and Isabela are two of my favorite people. I hate Varric with a burning passion though. Oh god, perspective.
You can't kill Carver either, yet you can be responsible for your sisters death after the Deep Roads. Odd.

Nah, you can totally kill Carver and/or Bethany.

During the Deep Roads quest, three things can happen:

1 - Leave the sibling at home: They join the templar/mages
2 - Bring Sibling AND Anders - They join the Grey Wardens
3 - Bring Sibling, but NOT Anders - They die

[Wrathion]

Maclimes wrote...

Alexandrine Delassixe wrote...

I've never really thought about that, since Alistair and Isabela are two of my favorite people. I hate Varric with a burning passion though. Oh god, perspective.
You can't kill Carver either, yet you can be responsible for your sisters death after the Deep Roads. Odd.

Nah, you can totally kill Carver and/or Bethany.

During the Deep Roads quest, three things can happen:

1 - Leave the sibling at home: They join the templar/mages
2 - Bring Sibling AND Anders - They join the Grey Wardens
3 - Bring Sibling, but NOT Anders - They die

Oh, I know about the Deep Roads I kill them there all the time. (that's not weird)
I mean AFTER the Deep Roads. The only you can kill let die is Bethany.

[Spedfrom]

I killed Fenris at the end of DA2. He had better not show up later!

[seraphis01]

Yes, she appears in both The Fallen Prince and Mark of the Assassin DLCs

I like leliane character yup

[Zkyire]

NKKKK wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

If you harden her character in Origins and convince her not to go back to the chantry, does she show up at the end of DA2 working for the Seeker?

Yes, your choices don't matter.

See folks, there is canon.

[Wulfram]

Hardening her never did anything to stop her loving the Chantry. It just convinced her to

1. Relax and enjoy herself a bit more, rather than worrying that this might turn her into Marjolaine
2. Listen to her doubts over whether the Maker personally intervened in her life.

Her faith remains strong, the Chantry remains the institution that gave her refuge and saved her soul. If anything, hardening her makes her slightly less heretical.

Since you're encouraging her to be a bard and a spy, I think her role in DA2 fits a hardened Leliana better than unhardened. She's a bard for God.

edit: and even if she wasn't a follower of the chantry, there's personal loyalty too.  She owes a great debt to the new Divine.  And by helping the Divine, she can do a lot of good.

Modifié par Wulfram, 22 juillet 2012 - 05:57 .

[jackofalltrades456]

Wulfram wrote...

Hardening her never did anything to stop her loving the Chantry. It just convinced her to

1. Relax and enjoy herself a bit more, rather than worrying that this might turn her into Marjolaine
2. Listen to her doubts over whether the Maker personally intervened in her life.

Her faith remains strong, the Chantry remains the institution that gave her refuge and saved her soul. If anything, hardening her makes her slightly less heretical.

Since you're encouraging her to be a bard and a spy, I think her role in DA2 fits a hardened Leliana better than unhardened. She's a bard for God.

edit: and even if she wasn't a follower of the chantry, there's personal loyalty too. She owes a great debt to the new Divine. And by helping the Divine, she can do a lot of good.

I disagree.

spoiler alert

During the Sacred Ashes quest, you could convince her to step down when destroying the ashes. Big difference between this and just immediately turning on you without a second thought when defiling the remains of the prophet for her religion. Also there's her appearance at the end of Origins. The unhardened version will appear surrounded by Chantry priest and even help the church on an expedition to the Ashes if you hadn't romanced her. Her hardened counterpart appears surrounded by generic npcs and will return to her homeland to hunt down her enemies. In other words become a full fledged bard again.

The whole Divine being the one who introduced her to the Chantry and just her DLC in general was there to connect her better to her Dragon age 2 counterpart, imo

I have a feeling that originally they planned on having her story end at Origins, but then decided to bring her back, very poorly...

Modifié par jackofalltrades456, 22 juillet 2012 - 06:58 .

[EpicBoot2daFace]

But that doesn't make sense. You can convince her to become a bard again (full time) and at the end of DA:O, she clearly pursues that path. However, in DA2, she's clearly working for the chantry again.

What gives?

[Wulfram]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

But that doesn't make sense. You can convince her to become a bard again (full time) and at the end of DA:O, she clearly pursues that path. However, in DA2, she's clearly working for the chantry again.

What gives?

You push her to become a bard again, and she is a bard.  Just one working for the Chantry.  Why doesn't that make sense?

It's not like she's gone back to being an initiate sweeping floors in some backwater village Chantry.  She's the personal agent of the Divine.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Wulfram wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

But that doesn't make sense. You can convince her to become a bard again (full time) and at the end of DA:O, she clearly pursues that path. However, in DA2, she's clearly working for the chantry again.

What gives?

You push her to become a bard again, and she is a bard.  Just one working for the Chantry.  Why doesn't that make sense?

It's not like she's gone back to being an initiate sweeping floors in some backwater village Chantry.  She's the personal agent of the Divine.

It doesn't make sense because she doesn't go back to the Chantry after DA:O unless you convince her to do so.

[Wulfram]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

It doesn't make sense because she doesn't go back to the Chantry after DA:O unless you convince her to do so.

I'm not sure I understand.  Are you talking about the epilogues?

I don't think there was anything that ruled out her going to work for the Chantry again.  Unless she was dead, obviously.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Wulfram wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

It doesn't make sense because she doesn't go back to the Chantry after DA:O unless you convince her to do so.

I'm not sure I understand.  Are you talking about the epilogues?

I don't think there was anything that ruled out her going to work for the Chantry again.  Unless she was dead, obviously.

Yes, after you kill the archdemon and you get to talk to all your party members one last time. She said nothing of going back to the Chantry if you hardened her character.

[Wulfram]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Yes, after you kill the archdemon and you get to talk to all your party members one last time. She said nothing of going back to the Chantry if you hardened her character.

Well, she didn't know that the person who helped her escape from Marjolaine was going to be elected as the Divine.  By the time you meet her, it's 6 years since the death of the Archdemon.  Plans change in that time.