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[D24O]

I always found it weird how the Cain homed in on the reaper. I was terrible with the Cain in 2, and then it just flies right into the reapers mouth.

[JBPBRC]

Its clearly a giant AA turret mounted on a Reaper Destroyer. Not that hard to see the near-perfect resemblance between the two. One has a BFG on the top, one doesn't.

As for that Cain...clearly an improved model since apparently the Cain now has TARGETING systems on its projectile since it swerves around and smacks the Reaper at an angle.

Now we just need to build gigantic Cains. And multi-Cain rapid-fire turrets.

[nhsknudsen]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Can you shoot through kinetic shielding? I'm sure to shoot a weapon it can't have a shield in front of it, which would explain why Destroyers weak spots are their weapons (2 Destroyers heavily damaged by shooting there), and why Capital ships have their weapons protected by their arms.

It would also explain why a Cain bullet shot down the barrel of a Hades Cannon was able to destroy it: No shielding.

Kinetic shields requires mass fired at high velocity to stop. That is kinetic energy, energy weapons is something entirely else. In theory.

Can't explain it better.

[RadicalDisconnect]

JBPBRC wrote...

Its clearly a giant AA turret mounted on a Reaper Destroyer. Not that hard to see the near-perfect resemblance between the two. One has a BFG on the top, one doesn't.

As for that Cain...clearly an improved model since apparently the Cain now has TARGETING systems on its projectile since it swerves around and smacks the Reaper at an angle.

Now we just need to build gigantic Cains. And multi-Cain rapid-fire turrets.

So you ignored everything I just posted? It's mounted on a destroyer chassis, not a full-fledged destroyer.

[MetioricTest]

Guess nobody agrees with my "Reapers can be different" thoughts...

[JBPBRC]

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

JBPBRC wrote...

Its clearly a giant AA turret mounted on a Reaper Destroyer. Not that hard to see the near-perfect resemblance between the two. One has a BFG on the top, one doesn't.

As for that Cain...clearly an improved model since apparently the Cain now has TARGETING systems on its projectile since it swerves around and smacks the Reaper at an angle.

Now we just need to build gigantic Cains. And multi-Cain rapid-fire turrets.

So you ignored everything I just posted? It's mounted on a destroyer chassis, not a full-fledged destroyer.

Didn't even see your post.

Destroyer frame, whatever. It still walks and honks, its still a Reaper. That was killed by a Cain.

EDIT: Besides, there's no proof it ISN'T a full-fledged Destroyer. Surely the "all-powerful" Reapers, could overcome silly things like that and just give the thing a giant cannon.

Modifié par JBPBRC, 20 juillet 2012 - 03:53 .

[D24O]

MetioricTest wrote...

Guess nobody agrees with my "Reapers can be different" thoughts...

They were at the end of 2, but 3 retconned that apparently.

[MegaSovereign]

The Cain was equipped with PLOT ammo.

[Lookout1390]

 It was a ****ing reaper.
Why do people still refuse to believe this?
It walks like a reaper destroyer, it looks like a reaper destroyer, acts like a reaper destroyer, (taste?) like a reaper destroyer.
We killed a reaper destroyer with a Cain shot, however this Reaper destroyer was clearly made with a lack-luster armor and it was rushed onto the battlefield, since it died to one cain shot.
Only most of the destroyers have the actual near-invincilble armor.

[Clayless]

nhsknudsen wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Can you shoot through kinetic shielding? I'm sure to shoot a weapon it can't have a shield in front of it, which would explain why Destroyers weak spots are their weapons (2 Destroyers heavily damaged by shooting there), and why Capital ships have their weapons protected by their arms.

It would also explain why a Cain bullet shot down the barrel of a Hades Cannon was able to destroy it: No shielding.

Kinetic shields requires mass fired at high velocity to stop. That is kinetic energy, energy weapons is something entirely else. In theory.

Can't explain it better.

Could you elaborate? Because it doesn't seem like you contradicted me.

[Kelgair]

Pretty sure the Hades Cannons are non-sapient constructs like the Troop Transport or Processor ships and require a sapient reaper to actually control them. Probably the actual Destroyer you kill later on. The power it uses for its cannon probably doesn't give it much shielding to work with either. That's what I took away from the mission briefing and how that part of the mission played out anyways.

Edit: I'd also point out that from the pictures more than half a destroyer body is carved out to house the cannon itself, not much room left for the mini-species that the destroyers are ment to be harvested from. Bout enough for the power supply and maybe a controller core for a real reaper to tell what to do I'd wager.

Modifié par Kelgair, 20 juillet 2012 - 04:29 .

[Lookout1390]

MetioricTest wrote...

Guess nobody agrees with my "Reapers can be different" thoughts...

ME2 said they could be.

ME3 however disagrees.

[Endorlf]

The Reaper is a Destroyer. The thing even has the small teeth on the bottom.

Modifié par Endorlf, 20 juillet 2012 - 04:30 .

[Krunjar]

This is one of the more glaring plot holes. I can believe a sustained orbital strike from an entire fleet can kill one but a CAIN is only meant to be a scaled down version of a standard ship to ship mass effect weapon. Even though I love the ending I can only see the Hades cannon as a reaper mounted weapon.

The only possible explanation is that the Hades cannon itself can't be shielded and is highly unstable. Properties not unbelievable for an AA gun. And that the Energy from the CAIN blast got into the reapers inner workings through the gun mount or the gun itself discharged its energy when destroyed and damaged the reaper itself.

[RadicalDisconnect]

Lookout1390 wrote...

 It was a ****ing reaper.
Why do people still refuse to believe this?
It walks like a reaper destroyer, it looks like a reaper destroyer, acts like a reaper destroyer, (taste?) like a reaper destroyer.
We killed a reaper destroyer with a Cain shot, however this Reaper destroyer was clearly made with a lack-luster armor and it was rushed onto the battlefield, since it died to one cain shot.
Only most of the destroyers have the actual near-invincilble armor.

I'm about to give up...

Is a Wolverine an Abrams then?

[Krunjar]

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

Lookout1390 wrote...

 It was a ****ing reaper.
Why do people still refuse to believe this?
It walks like a reaper destroyer, it looks like a reaper destroyer, acts like a reaper destroyer, (taste?) like a reaper destroyer.
We killed a reaper destroyer with a Cain shot, however this Reaper destroyer was clearly made with a lack-luster armor and it was rushed onto the battlefield, since it died to one cain shot.
Only most of the destroyers have the actual near-invincilble armor.

I'm about to give up...

Is a Wolverine an Abrams then?

I read your post but the difference is too unbelievable. The chasis is indeed similar but saying a Cain can kill one when its just a tiny mass effect gun is like saying all you need is a pistol to get through the armor of a Wolverine. Yes it hass less armor. But not none at all. See above though. If you are saying we proverbially "shot the fuel tank" then perhaps I can believe it. But the simple difference in chassis is not enough to explain how the reapers godlike technology suddenly failed.

[Lookout1390]

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

Lookout1390 wrote...

 It was a ****ing reaper.
Why do people still refuse to believe this?
It walks like a reaper destroyer, it looks like a reaper destroyer, acts like a reaper destroyer, (taste?) like a reaper destroyer.
We killed a reaper destroyer with a Cain shot, however this Reaper destroyer was clearly made with a lack-luster armor and it was rushed onto the battlefield, since it died to one cain shot.
Only most of the destroyers have the actual near-invincilble armor.

I'm about to give up...

Is a Wolverine an Abrams then?

I don't get your point.

Unless by wolverine you mean another Abrams, then sure.

It's a reaper destroyer with a gun that specializes in AA. It's still just a reaper destroyer and I killed with a single cain shot.

Modifié par Lookout1390, 20 juillet 2012 - 04:33 .

[DEATHSCOPE]

Crap, not this again. Why don't somebody just ask BioWare on twitter or something? They're not always right but at least it will hopefully put an end to this pointless debate.

[RadicalDisconnect]

Lookout1390 wrote...

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

Lookout1390 wrote...

 It was a ****ing reaper.
Why do people still refuse to believe this?
It walks like a reaper destroyer, it looks like a reaper destroyer, acts like a reaper destroyer, (taste?) like a reaper destroyer.
We killed a reaper destroyer with a Cain shot, however this Reaper destroyer was clearly made with a lack-luster armor and it was rushed onto the battlefield, since it died to one cain shot.
Only most of the destroyers have the actual near-invincilble armor.

I'm about to give up...

Is a Wolverine an Abrams then?

I don't get your point.

Unless by wolverine you mean another Abrams, then sure.

The Hades Cannon and a reaper destroyer are as similar to each other a Wolverine and an Abrams, i.e. shared chassis. Just like how the Wolverine lacks the Abram's heavy armor and cannon, the Hades Cannon probably lacks a full-fledged destroyer's shielding. Now, Krunjar did make a point that it still shouldn't be that weak, but I'll go with the cannon chain reaction explanation.

Modifié par RadicalDisconnect, 20 juillet 2012 - 04:34 .

[Lookout1390]

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

Lookout1390 wrote...

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

Lookout1390 wrote...

 It was a ****ing reaper.
Why do people still refuse to believe this?
It walks like a reaper destroyer, it looks like a reaper destroyer, acts like a reaper destroyer, (taste?) like a reaper destroyer.
We killed a reaper destroyer with a Cain shot, however this Reaper destroyer was clearly made with a lack-luster armor and it was rushed onto the battlefield, since it died to one cain shot.
Only most of the destroyers have the actual near-invincilble armor.

I'm about to give up...

Is a Wolverine an Abrams then?

I don't get your point.

Unless by wolverine you mean another Abrams, then sure.

The Hades Cannon and a reaper destroyer are as similar to each other a Wolverine and an Abrams, i.e. shared chassis. Just like how the Wolverine lacks the Abram's heavy armor and cannon, the Hades Cannon probably lacks a full-fledged destroyer's shielding. Now, Krunjar did make a point that it still shouldn't be that weak, but I'll go with the cannon chain reaction explanation.

But the Reapers know that all AA weapons/tech is vulnerable to ground assaults, and so they completely ruled that out and ignored it?

That doesn't sound like the thinking of a super-intelligent race of machines to me...

[saracen16]

The Angry One wrote...

elitehunter34 wrote...

I really never understood why people said we destroyed a Reaper with a Cain. It was a gun turret. It's not as armored and it didn't have shields.

It has exactly the same armour as a Destroyer. If we shot it in the cannon you may have a point, but we hit it dead center.

You can win a battle but you can't win this war.

[rfielder24]

DEATHSCOPE wrote...

Crap, not this again. Why don't somebody just ask BioWare on twitter or something? They're not always right but at least it will hopefully put an end to this pointless debate.

As if that would end the debate.  Not sure what OP intended, but I'm expecting any time now, for someone to make the leap into "conventional victory is possible"

[Jonata]

I think that the Cain is just f****** powerful.

[elitehunter34]

Guys, watch the vid I posted on the second page. The Cain shot is clearly shot down the barrel of the gun. Even if the whole ship wasn't destroyed by that, the gun would. Weak points can exist. Gun barrels tend to be weak points.

[NedPepper]

Speaking of the Cain....during the mission to rescue Tali in ME2 in my last playthrough, I never met Kal Reeger. (He did come up afterward as if we had met and had a conversation.) Why? I destroyed the Geth Drednought and every geth in the area by firing the Cain once. The whole fight took five seconds. It was pretty spectacular and hilarious.

That said, the Cain can **** things up.