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[satunnainen]

Reaper destroyers are supposed to be 160 meters tall. If you look at the picture posted in this thread, there is a 8 storey house right from the gun, with a very thick edge of the roof. So lets say 10 storeys. Generic floor height is about 3 meters atm, so that would make it a 30 meters tall house. The house is a bit less than half the height of the gun, lets say 40%, so we can estimate that the gun height is about 75-80 meters. About half of the supposed height.

Sure it has legs similar to the reaper destroyer, on the other hand loads of things humans build have wheels. That doesnt mean they are all the same.

[CINCTuchanka]

It is never referred to as a Reaper in-game. It is a cannon that had Reaper legs. It is nt a sentient Reaper. It is a gun. According to the game anyway.

The only way you can believe it is a sentient Reaper with a cannon for a head is if you develop your own head-canon.

[JPN17]

So regardless of whether or not the hades cannon was mounted on a reaper, with the success the cain had at blowing it up, why didn't anyone at least try to use the cain on a destroyer? Another case in ME3 of bioware creating a situation where it's either a plot hole (cain destroying a reaper in one shot) or bioware making everyone extremely stupid (cain one shots a reaper cannon so we won't use the cain ever again).

Modifié par JPN17, 20 juillet 2012 - 07:23 .

[J.Random]

nedpepper wrote...
 I destroyed the Geth Drednought and every geth in the area by firing the Cain once.

It wasn't a dreadnought. That was Geth Armature. You've killed tons of those in ME1 with maco and even on foot.

[Uncle Jo]

CINCTuchanka wrote...

It is never referred to as a Reaper in-game. It is a cannon that had Reaper legs. It is nt a sentient Reaper. It is a gun. According to the game anyway.

The only way you can believe it is a sentient Reaper with a cannon for a head is if you develop your own head-canon.

Since when sentience has something to do with armor or shields ?

[Ranger Jack Walker]

It wasn't a reaper. The codex has an entry on reaper forces where it mentions non-sentient reaper like ships.

[flanny]

Aaleel wrote...

One of the problems I had with how Bioware handled the reapers was in inconsistency in their strength, mainly due to the fact that we took one out with a Cain.

But after playing through the ending again, I realized that it wasn't a reaper at all.  It's only referred to as an AA gun, or a turret; even after you destroy it they say turret down, last of the AA canons destroyed.  It never moved, never tried to defend itself, and didn't have the armor plates that opened to reveal the canon.  All it does is continuously fire out that huge turret on top of it, which no regular reapers have.

So I have to admit my mistake on this one.  Didn't realize it wasn't actually a reaper until now.

 

read a codex next time, the canon is mounted on a destroyer. so yes it is a reaper and the inconisitencies remain... incidentally a thrasher maw can't be killed my a cain (needs 4) but can be killed with small arms

End Of Thread

Modifié par flanny, 20 juillet 2012 - 03:32 .

[Ex-Cerberus]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Yeah it just happens to look exactly like a Reaper by sheer coincidence.



Ever think it's not defending itself because it's busy shooting things in the sky?

http://masseffect.wi...ki/Hades_Cannon

First of all, notice it's the exact same picture.

Second of all, it says it's capable of being mounted on a destroyer reaper, so the question is, is that what we're seeing in this picutre? Or does something that big attach itself onto a destroyer reaper with it's four legs?

If it's the former, maybe it's because the Cain bullet was filled with.... this

No... it says it's capabale of being mounted on the 4-legged chassis of a destroyer reaper. Chassis are what gives a vessel movement across a certain type of terain. Those 50-foot trailers you see being pulled on trains are mounted on wheeled-chassis at train stations so trucks can pull them. The chassis of destroyer-class reapers just have legs instead of wheels. Apparently a Hades Cannon just fits the same size Reaper chassis. 

So technically, that's not a reaper. It's not concious, it's just a weapon. 

Modifié par Ex-Cerberus, 20 juillet 2012 - 03:30 .

[Ticonderoga117]

Ex-Cerberus wrote...
No... it says it's capabale of being mounted on the 4-legged chassis of a destroyer reaper. Chassis are what gives a vessel movement across a certain type of terain. Those 50-foot trailers you see being pulled on trains are mounted on wheeled-chassis at train stations so trucks can pull them. The chassis of destroyer-class reapers just have legs instead of wheels. Apparently a Hades Cannon just fits the same size Reaper chassis. 

So technically, that's not a reaper. It's not concious, it's just a weapon. 

SPECULATIONS!

[Ex-Cerberus]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Ex-Cerberus wrote...
No... it says it's capabale of being mounted on the 4-legged chassis of a destroyer reaper. Chassis are what gives a vessel movement across a certain type of terain. Those 50-foot trailers you see being pulled on trains are mounted on wheeled-chassis at train stations so trucks can pull them. The chassis of destroyer-class reapers just have legs instead of wheels. Apparently a Hades Cannon just fits the same size Reaper chassis. 

So technically, that's not a reaper. It's not concious, it's just a weapon. 

SPECULATIONS!

If the Cain was all it took to level a Reaper, no one would have given a damn about the Crucible. They would have been protecting the Cain assembly lines at all costs. The Hades Canon doesn't even walk. Sounds like a pretty good speculation to me. 

[Ticonderoga117]

Ex-Cerberus wrote...
If the Cain was all it took to level a Reaper, no one would have given a damn about the Crucible. They would have been protecting the Cain assembly lines at all costs. The Hades Canon doesn't even walk. Sounds like a pretty good speculation to me.

The whole point of the inconsistancy arguement. This thing has a Destroyer Body and a big gun. Why can one dinky CAIN kill it?

Also, we care about the Crucible because the narrative makes us.

Also also, how do you know the Hades Cannon doesn't walk? It has legs. It could be concious and just not care about you because it's shooting cruisers out of the sky. Who knows?

[flanny]

Ex-Cerberus wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Ex-Cerberus wrote...
No... it says it's capabale of being mounted on the 4-legged chassis of a destroyer reaper. Chassis are what gives a vessel movement across a certain type of terain. Those 50-foot trailers you see being pulled on trains are mounted on wheeled-chassis at train stations so trucks can pull them. The chassis of destroyer-class reapers just have legs instead of wheels. Apparently a Hades Cannon just fits the same size Reaper chassis. 

So technically, that's not a reaper. It's not concious, it's just a weapon. 

SPECULATIONS!

If the Cain was all it took to level a Reaper, no one would have given a damn about the Crucible. They would have been protecting the Cain assembly lines at all costs. The Hades Canon doesn't even walk. Sounds like a pretty good speculation to me. 

yes, this is what you call 'bad writing' or it's new synonym 'ME3 writing 

[flanny]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Ex-Cerberus wrote...
If the Cain was all it took to level a Reaper, no one would have given a damn about the Crucible. They would have been protecting the Cain assembly lines at all costs. The Hades Canon doesn't even walk. Sounds like a pretty good speculation to me.

The whole point of the inconsistancy arguement. This thing has a Destroyer Body and a big gun. Why can one dinky CAIN kill it?

Also, we care about the Crucible because the narrative makes us.

Also also, how do you know the Hades Cannon doesn't walk? It has legs. It could be concious and just not care about you because it's shooting cruisers out of the sky. Who knows?

yeah i mean Harby can move and shoot, but spends a peroid of time just watching Shep have a consersation and not doing anything, why? bad writing

[mongoosephantom]

flanny wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Ex-Cerberus wrote...
If the Cain was all it took to level a Reaper, no one would have given a damn about the Crucible. They would have been protecting the Cain assembly lines at all costs. The Hades Canon doesn't even walk. Sounds like a pretty good speculation to me.

The whole point of the inconsistancy arguement. This thing has a Destroyer Body and a big gun. Why can one dinky CAIN kill it?

Also, we care about the Crucible because the narrative makes us.

Also also, how do you know the Hades Cannon doesn't walk? It has legs. It could be concious and just not care about you because it's shooting cruisers out of the sky. Who knows?

yeah i mean Harby can move and shoot, but spends a peroid of time just watching Shep have a consersation and not doing anything, why? bad writing

Yeah it was weird i mean the Normandy was in front of Harbinger and he was like "You guys go ahead and talk i will continue blasting after you leave".

[satunnainen]

flanny wrote...

Ex-Cerberus wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Ex-Cerberus wrote...
No... it says it's capabale of being mounted on the 4-legged chassis of a destroyer reaper. Chassis are what gives a vessel movement across a certain type of terain. Those 50-foot trailers you see being pulled on trains are mounted on wheeled-chassis at train stations so trucks can pull them. The chassis of destroyer-class reapers just have legs instead of wheels. Apparently a Hades Cannon just fits the same size Reaper chassis. 

So technically, that's not a reaper. It's not concious, it's just a weapon. 

SPECULATIONS!

If the Cain was all it took to level a Reaper, no one would have given a damn about the Crucible. They would have been protecting the Cain assembly lines at all costs. The Hades Canon doesn't even walk. Sounds like a pretty good speculation to me. 

yes, this is what you call 'bad writing' or it's new synonym 'ME3 writing 

Bad writing = technically challenged people spamming their original arguments despite all explanations? I would use some other word.

[Ex-Cerberus]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Ex-Cerberus wrote...
If the Cain was all it took to level a Reaper, no one would have given a damn about the Crucible. They would have been protecting the Cain assembly lines at all costs. The Hades Canon doesn't even walk. Sounds like a pretty good speculation to me.

The whole point of the inconsistancy arguement. This thing has a Destroyer Body and a big gun. Why can one dinky CAIN kill it?

Also, we care about the Crucible because the narrative makes us.

Also also, how do you know the Hades Cannon doesn't walk? It has legs. It could be concious and just not care about you because it's shooting cruisers out of the sky. Who knows?

It doesn't have a Destroyer body, it has Destroyer legs (chassis). It's not actually called a Reaper by definition.  

"The Hades Cannon is an anti-aircraft weapon of Reaper design. It is a massive directed-energy cannon, capable ofbeing mounted on the four-legged chassis of a Destroyer-class Reaper. Several Hades Cannons were utilized by the Reapers during their assault and occupation of Earth. They are highly accurate as well as powerful, as they are capable of shooting down craft as small and nimble as a UT-47A Kodiak Drop Shuttle. During the final battle for Earth, Commander Shepard destroyed one of these Cannons using a M-920 Cain to clear the way for the galactic fleet's ground forces, codenamed "Hammer", to land." 

Also note it reads "Commander Shepard destroyed one of these CANNONS (not Reapers)" 

Whether or not it's actually "concious" is debatable. But the fact it doesn't move even once is a good indication it doesn't. ME3's story might be lazy, but the visual effects certainly weren't. I'm sure if was so busy shooting down ships it would periodically reposition itself to aim properly, or at least aim at the guy nearby pointing the Cain at it. 

"Assumption"? Yes. But perfectly justified. 

[v TricKy v]

mongoosephantom wrote...

Yeah it was weird i mean the Normandy was in front of Harbinger and he was like "You guys go ahead and talk i will continue blasting after you leave".

The whole Harbinger thing is just weird to be honest
Have a look
Harbinger chilling and staring

Modifié par v TricKy v, 20 juillet 2012 - 04:15 .

[Ticonderoga117]

Ex-Cerberus wrote...
It doesn't have a Destroyer body, it has Destroyer legs (chassis). It's not actually called a Reaper by definition.  

[color=rgb(170, 170, 170)">"The Hades Cannon ]. Several Hades Cannons were utilized by the Reapers during their assault and occupation of Earth. They are highly accurate as well as powerful, as they are capable of shooting down craft as small and nimble as a UT-47A Kodiak Drop Shuttle. During the final battle for Earth, Commander Shepard destroyed one of these Cannons using a M-920 Cain to clear the way for the galactic fleet's ground forces, codenamed "Hammer", to land."[/color] 

Also note it reads "Commander Shepard destroyed one of these CANNONS (not Reapers)" 

Whether or not it's actually "concious" is debatable. But the fact it doesn't move even once is a good indication it doesn't. ME3's story might be lazy, but the visual effects certainly weren't. I'm sure if was so busy shooting down ships it would periodically reposition itself to aim properly, or at least aim at the guy nearby pointing the Cain at it. 

"Assumption"? Yes. But perfectly justified. 

Looks like it has a destroyer body to me in the picture.
Here's a better question though, why do they need Hades Cannons mounted on Destroyers?
Destroyers can attack aircraft and low-orbit craft already.

Also, the visual effects were lazy. One example: Rannoch.

"All ships, fire on the Reaper!" *See like 5 ships firing, then see a few rounds hit the Destroyer*

There's inconsistency there between story and visual effect. Thousands of ships firing would've laid that entire area to waste.

[flanny]

satunnainen wrote...

flanny wrote...

Ex-Cerberus wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Ex-Cerberus wrote...
No... it says it's capabale of being mounted on the 4-legged chassis of a destroyer reaper. Chassis are what gives a vessel movement across a certain type of terain. Those 50-foot trailers you see being pulled on trains are mounted on wheeled-chassis at train stations so trucks can pull them. The chassis of destroyer-class reapers just have legs instead of wheels. Apparently a Hades Cannon just fits the same size Reaper chassis. 

So technically, that's not a reaper. It's not concious, it's just a weapon. 

SPECULATIONS!

If the Cain was all it took to level a Reaper, no one would have given a damn about the Crucible. They would have been protecting the Cain assembly lines at all costs. The Hades Canon doesn't even walk. Sounds like a pretty good speculation to me. 

yes, this is what you call 'bad writing' or it's new synonym 'ME3 writing' 

Bad writing = technically challenged people spamming their original arguments despite all explanations? I would use some other word.

please enlighten me then? People keep using the original arguments because no one has been able to answer them without coming up with a nonsensical explanations that defy lore and are disproved in seconds.

ME3 is bad writing

[mongoosephantom]

v TricKy v wrote...

mongoosephantom wrote...

Yeah it was weird i mean the Normandy was in front of Harbinger and he was like "You guys go ahead and talk i will continue blasting after you leave".

The whole Harbinger thing is just weird to be honest
Have a look
Harbinger chilling and staring

It's not just that. The fact that he leaves while Shepard is still walking towards the beam makes me think that for some reason he wanted him to reach the Crucible but in a weakened state so thats why he originally shot him. Or maybe he didnt notice that Shepard was alive and thought he killed him. Either way thats not bad writing. I know its weird that the leader of the enemy left and let us get close to our goal and destroy him but Bioware must have had a reason when they did that.

Modifié par mongoosephantom, 20 juillet 2012 - 04:46 .

[satunnainen]

flanny wrote...

satunnainen wrote...

flanny wrote...

Ex-Cerberus wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Ex-Cerberus wrote...
No... it says it's capabale of being mounted on the 4-legged chassis of a destroyer reaper. Chassis are what gives a vessel movement across a certain type of terain. Those 50-foot trailers you see being pulled on trains are mounted on wheeled-chassis at train stations so trucks can pull them. The chassis of destroyer-class reapers just have legs instead of wheels. Apparently a Hades Cannon just fits the same size Reaper chassis. 

So technically, that's not a reaper. It's not concious, it's just a weapon. 

SPECULATIONS!

If the Cain was all it took to level a Reaper, no one would have given a damn about the Crucible. They would have been protecting the Cain assembly lines at all costs. The Hades Canon doesn't even walk. Sounds like a pretty good speculation to me. 

yes, this is what you call 'bad writing' or it's new synonym 'ME3 writing' 

Bad writing = technically challenged people spamming their original arguments despite all explanations? I would use some other word.

please enlighten me then? People keep using the original arguments because no one has been able to answer them without coming up with a nonsensical explanations that defy lore and are disproved in seconds.

ME3 is bad writing

I could but tbh what you just wrote just sounds some nonsense a typical troll tries to offer instead of interesting and coherent argument. We would only end up going around in logical circles which is not very interesting in the long run. I am getting too old for this s***.

[BDelacroix]

David7204 wrote...

Surely you're not arguing that tanks have never been used to shoot soldiers.

So have flak guns but its not the best use of such a device.

This hades cannon thing is actually among the least of my problems with ME3.

Modifié par BDelacroix, 20 juillet 2012 - 04:55 .

[flanny]

satunnainen wrote...



I could but tbh what you just wrote just sounds some nonsense a typical troll tries to offer instead of interesting and coherent argument. We would only end up going around in logical circles which is not very interesting in the long run. I am getting too old for this s***.

lol :Dso what you're saying is you can explain the problems but you can't be bothered? do you write for bioware my chance?

[Haiyato]

Arturia Pendragon wrote...

Head-canon:

The Hades Cannon requires so much energy that it does not have standard Reaper shields and cannot fire standard Reaper weapons (lasers, reaper farts, etc). On top of that, while a Reaper is planet-side, its shields are at a greatly reduced strength due to the fact that it has to counter gravity with its EEZO core, per the codex. Thus, a Cain can destroy a Hades, but most likely not a real Destroyer.

Then again, 2 Thanix missiles manage to critically damage a Destroyer. Who knows what a 25 gram slug accelerated to 5 km/s would do.

I do believe the Thanix missiles went beyond the armor though when the destroyer was all PEEWW with its lazer. Its armor plays a huge role on the surface.

[Hunter_Wolf]

Aaleel wrote...

One of the problems I had with how Bioware handled the reapers was in inconsistency in their strength, mainly due to the fact that we took one out with a Cain.

Vigil on Illos explained that the Reapers were near endless. 

So their strength comes from their unrelenting force when they lay siege. That and with the defeat of Sovereign, some weapon systems were reverse engineered like the Thanax Cannon.